News Most upcoming Arrow Lake CPUs will leverage TSMC nodes for compute, Intel 20A only for Core i5 and lower: Leak

[Admin]

Leaker Golden Pig Upgrade says Arrow Lake doesn't have low-power E-cores, DDR5 support, and hyper-threading, and will rely heavily on TSMC's nodes.

Most upcoming Arrow Lake CPUs will leverage TSMC nodes for compute, Intel 20A only for Core i5 and lower: Leak : Read more

 

[baboma]

Here's a translation using ChatGPT. It's much better than Google's machine translation.

original (https://www.bilibili.com/opus/904913222308462613)
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也不懂为啥一个还剩半年多就上市的CPU，还能有这么多错得离谱的爆料…

首先Arrow Lake不可能叫15代酷睿，大概率就是酷睿Ultra处理器（系列2）了

没有超线程没有LP E-core，但是NPU还是在的，算力和笔记本Meteor Lake一样

4Xe core核显，因为没有达到7个以上所以任务管理器里叫Intel Graphics不叫Arc Graphics，参考Ultra5 125U

没有DDR4支持

移动端涉及先进工艺的Tile全部来自TSMC，20A应该只会出现在ARL-S的6+8核心，即桌面端non-K U5及以下型号

桌面S及HX仍然无法像AMD平台那样做无PCH方案
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I don't understand why there are so many wildly inaccurate leaks about a CPU that's still more than half a year away from being released...

Firstly, Arrow Lake can't possibly be called the 15th generation Core processor; it's most likely going to be the Core Ultra processor (Series 2).

There's no hyper-threading and no LP E-core, but the NPU is still present, with compute power similar to the Meteor Lake laptop.

It features a 4Xe core integrated graphics, and since it doesn't reach 7 cores or more, in the task manager it's referred to as Intel Graphics rather than Arc Graphics, similar to the Ultra5 125U.

There's no DDR4 support.

For mobile platforms, all the advanced process tiles come from TSMC, and 20A should only appear in the 6+8 core configuration of ARL-S, which means non-K U5 and lower models for desktops.

For desktop S and HX, it's still not possible to implement a PCH-less solution like on the AMD platform.

 

[Deleted member 2731765]

The final and most interesting claim from Golden Pig Upgrade is that Intel's 20A node will only be used for midrange Arrow Lake compute tiles with six P-cores and eight E-cores. It's hard to tell if the leaker means this specifically for mobile CPUs or if this also applies to desktop models, but either way, it's a big assertion.

Why is it hard to tell and so confusing ? The leaker has clearly mentioned this applies to the ARL-S series, aka the Desktop models.

For desktops, it will only be for the 6+8 core config SKU that will feature the Intel 20A process node for the compute tile, while all of the remaining chips are said to be from TSMC (Desktop & Mobile).

The 6+8 configuration will be featured on the Core Ultra 5 2** series desktop parts which will utilize a non-K design.

 

[George³]

Let's clear things up. The new Intel node cannot provide particularly high frequencies, at least for now. Therefore, it is used in processors with low base and not particularly high turbo frequencies.

 

[TerryLaze]

Let's clear things up. The new Intel node cannot provide particularly high frequencies, at least for now. Therefore, it is used in processors with low base and not particularly high turbo frequencies.

But TSMC has even lower clocks...

 

[Argolith]

But TSMC has even lower clocks...

How could you possibly know? Are you an engineer at Intel? Did you see the samples?

 

[TerryLaze]

How could you possibly know? Are you an engineer at Intel? Did you see the samples?

Ryzen is on the market for years, if TSMC could have better clocks then ryzen could have better clocks.

 

[dalek1234]

Here's a translation using ChatGPT. It's much better than Google's machine translation.
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Somebody asked me few month ago to translate something to another language that I know. The text contained medical terminology which I wasn't confident I would translate accurately, so I thought I'd ask ChatGPT to translate. I read the translation and I was amazed at how accurate it was. I actually think it did a better job than most bilingual humans would.

 

[edzieba]

The "no LP E-core" more likely refers to the extra core on the chipset die, rather than having no E-cores on the CPU die(s), as the same leak literally mentions a 6+8 (6 P-core 8 E-core) die.

As per baboma's translation

For mobile platforms, all the advanced process tiles come from TSMC, and 20A should only appear in the 6+8 core configuration of ARL-S, which means non-K U5 and lower models for desktops.

It sounds like there will be multiple configurations using both TSMC sourced chiplets and 20A chiplets, with there being at least one common chiplet between the desktop -S line and mobile lines that is fabbed on Intel 20A. For the mobile line 'advanced' dies (so presumably SKUs above 6+8) have chiplets from TSMC, with 'lower' SKUs being undefined (could be all Intel, all TSMC, or a mix). Similarly, at least one desktop -S SKU is Intel sourced, with the rest undefined.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Ryzen is on the market for years, if TSMC could have better clocks then ryzen could have better clocks.

So 5.7 GHz for Ryzen is not fast enough? TSMC’s N3 process is more mature than Intel 2. Changing to ribbon fet is a drastic redesign of how transistors are made and could come with a significant clock speed regression until engineers have time to understand and enhance the ribbon fets.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Somebody asked me few month ago to translate something to another language that I know. The text contained medical terminology which I wasn't confident I would translate accurately, so I thought I'd ask ChatGPT to translate. I read the translation and I was amazed at how accurate it was. I actually think it did a better job than most bilingual humans would.

That’s my problem with AI, we are finally at the precipice where humans can start to rely on machines to think for us. It’s only downhill from here if we get to a future point where we rely on AI to think and make every decision for us, then a thousand year solar flare takes AI away.

 

[baboma]

Matthew Connatser's THW piece was co-opted and regurgitated by Fudzilla's writer, Nick Farrell (I wonder if that's a real person.) The content is verbatim, only the word choices were changed around a bit, most likely using ChatGPT.

https://www.fudzilla.com/news/58574-intel-s-new-chips-are-a-shocker-says-top-leaker

As evidenced, AI chatbots can be used for both good and ill.

Then again, the THW piece was more or less a rehash of the VideoCardz piece, albeit with a bit more content (ie the author's opinion).

 

[TerryLaze]

So 5.7 GHz for Ryzen is not fast enough? TSMC’s N3 process is more mature than Intel 2. Changing to ribbon fet is a drastic redesign of how transistors are made and could come with a significant clock speed regression until engineers have time to understand and enhance the ribbon fets.

Is 5.7 faster or slower than 6.2?
The argument was that intel was going to use TSMC because they are faster, but 5.7 (at bursty light single threads only) is not faster than 6.2 (at everything as long as you have enough power).
If they would go to TSMC because their new tech is slower then why would they not keep using their older tech?
It's not like it would be the first refresh gen.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Is 5.7 faster or slower than 6.2?
The argument was that intel was going to use TSMC because they are faster, but 5.7 (at bursty light single threads only) is not faster than 6.2 (at everything as long as you have enough power).
If they would go to TSMC because their new tech is slower then why would they not keep using their older tech?
It's not like it would be the first refresh gen.

I think it is because of efficiency, Intel 7 is quite power hungry.