motherboard and CPU compatibility

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ASUS H110M-E/M.2 LGA 1151
Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge Quad-Core 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155
are these 2 compatible?
 
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Best bang for the buck would probably be the i3-8100 at this point. Though the Pentium G4600 is also a good argument for a fairly basic experience.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($118.69 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - H310M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450W...

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H61/P67/Q67 2nd Gen
Z77/H77/B75 2nd/3rd Gen
Z87/H87/H81/B85 4th Gen
Z97/H97 4th/5th Gen
Z170/H170/H110/B150 6th/7th Gen
Z270/H270/B250 6th/7th Gen
Z370/H310/H370/B360 8th Gen

If you are looking for used boards/processors I would aim for 4th gen. Fairly easy to come across i7-4770 complete systems for around $300. Used business machines, but sometimes you can get lucky and find ones with SSDs, or large amounts of memory for quite reasonable prices.

Skylake (6th gen) and up are your DDR4 entries, still quite relevant and their price hasn't dropped too much.
 

DW Jackson

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open to any suggestions

what is best CPU bang for buck for this part list if you can suggest a solution to my dilemma?
Intel - Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor @ $126.98 (out of stock)
Intel - Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor @ $194.99
Intel - Core i3-7320 4.1GHz Dual-Core Processor @ $164.73
Intel - Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor @ $198.55
Intel - Pentium G4600 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor @ $81.90 (includes HT hyper threading)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus - H110M-E/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($52.75 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($99.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: $262.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-19 02:24 EDT-0400
 

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Best bang for the buck would probably be the i3-8100 at this point. Though the Pentium G4600 is also a good argument for a fairly basic experience.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($118.69 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - H310M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($22.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $383.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-19 10:13 EDT-0400
 
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An argument could easily be made for the R3-2200G as well.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($94.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.90 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($22.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $356.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-19 10:16 EDT-0400
 


Do you already have this motherboard? Because if you don't, it's not a thing I would advise buying. Currently best bang for buck is only newest generation - either Intel or AMD are good now.
 

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DW Jackson

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I have purchased and I am waiting on delivery (Here by Friday) everything but the CPU.
I see the writing on the wall but i7 2600k is a solid performer and is still going strong after 5 years and I hate to give it up.
At this point I don't wish to return and hardware. My only hope is to make what I have work for me.
 


Ok, can you list all the components you already have other then the board? We'll see what can be done with it.
 

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H110 on a budget, going to be G4560 for the dual core. Maybe i5-7400 for a quad core. Not much reason to buy a 6th gen CPU. These will require a BIOS update. Worst case you can take it to a local shop for flashing.

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/H110M-E-M-2/HelpDesk_CPU/

If you have the budget, you can drop an i7-7700 in there.
 

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CPU: ???????
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus - H110M-E/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($52.75 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($99.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply

 


If you want to see performance better then what you had with 2600K, you would need 6700 or 7700. For a good price to power aim for 6500 or 7500.
The difference between 6xxx and 7xxx: 7xxx are faster, but motherboard may require BIOS update before you can use such CPU. Although if board is new, chance is it will come with correct BIOS already installed.
 

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WD Blue 3D NAND 250GB PC SSD - SATA III 6 Gb/s M.2 2280 Solid State Drive - WDS250G2B0B

Would this work as a boot drive for your build list. I have never used M.2s and I am pretty confused on how to choose one for a new build.
 

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I don't believe that motherboard has an M.2 slot. Try this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($118.69 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B360M PRO-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($55.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill - NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($22.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $408.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-22 10:35 EDT-0400
 

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As for picking out an M.2 drive:

SATA vs NVMe. SATA is the same connection speed as normal SATA III ports on the motherboard. An upper limit of about 550MB/s transfer rates. NVMe is a new protocol designed around Non Volatile Memory (Flash or other). Maximum bandwidth is basically as many PCIe lanes as you can throw at it, at least for now. Flash storage achieves its speed by massive parallelism, so there are still limits based on the number of flash chips and the controllers hooked up to them. Though there are drives with maximum speeds of 3000MB/s on the market already. Very difficult to achieve that speed outside of benchmark conditions though, so the average consumer will not need anything beyond SATA speeds.

Due to the parallelism, larger drives are usually faster up to a point.

SLC - one bit stored per NAND flash cell - Expensive, quite rare now, but durability is extreme
MLC - 2 bits stored per NAND flash cell - Still around, expensive, but not prohibitive. Great durability and great performance (These are your Samsung Pro drives)
TLC - 3 bits stored per NAND flash cell - This is now today's standard for cheaper SSDs. Durability is still okay, performance is down a little, however, the controllers will simulate SLC performance by only writing the top level bit, then going back when done and shuffling data into. MLC drives also do this. (These would be Samsungs's Evo drives)
QLC - 4 bits per NAND flash cell. This is fairly new stuff, only a few drives on the market. This should drive the price of flash storage per GB down a lot. Durability will be the worst of them, but should be adequate for normal consumer use.

Motherboard's maximum bandwidth can vary. Some will use PCIe 1x/2x/4x connections. So the very fast drives will need the 4x connections. ALso my understanding that on some higher end CPUs, the PCIe lanes are direct from the CPU. More commonly they come from the PCH (Chipset) so there is a limit on the total bandwidth the PCH can get to the CPU. So installing 2 or 3 drives of any type won't all be able to run at full speed at once. Usually not an issue though. These also usually share bandwidth with the available SATA ports, so as you install more NVMe or M.2 SATA drives you will lose access to the standard SATA ports. (High end motherboards would have more controllers/ports)

So all those factors taken into consideration. NVMe drives if you want pure performance. Most systems can handle one or two. Beyond that and you need to start placing them on PCIe cards and slotting them in that way.

M.2 SATA drives are good enough, and you reduce the number of wires in your system.

Due to their small size M.2 drives can suffer from thermal throttling when their controllers or flash chips get warm. Usually takes sustained reads/writes for that. So in some respects there are advantages to 2.5" SATA drives with the large metal casings screwed directly the chassis. Also usually at the front of the case where the intake fans can keep them cool.

Brands I would look at. WD which is essentially Toshiba/Sandisk SSDs. Samsung, Crucial, Kingston. There are only a few flash and controller manufacturers, so at a certain point they are all the same.

The drive you picked out is SATA, so not much different from a 2.5" SSD.
 

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I have already purchased a Asus - H110M-E/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard and a ASRock - H310M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (actually is ASRock H310M-HDV/M.2 LGA 1151 (300 Series) Intel H310 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard) I hope the MSI - B360M PRO-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard won't be necessary. I also purchased WD Green 120GB PC SSD - SATA III 6Gb/s M.2 2280 Solid State Drive - WDS120G2G0B which you elude to the fact this is no different than a SATA III 6 Gb/s SSD but I assume it should still work with the ASRock H310M-HDV/M.2 LGA 1151 (300 Series) Intel H310 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard albeit there will be no magic speed increase and I will I will lose the ((
4 x SATA3 6.0Gb/s Connectors, support NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug*
* If M2_1 is occupied by a SATA-type M.2 device, SATA3_3 will be disabled.
M.2
1 x M.2 Socket (M2_1), supports M Key type 2230/2242/2260/2280 M.2 SATA3 6.0Gb/s module and M.2 PCI Express module up to Gen2 x4 (20Gb/s)**
** Supports NVMe SSD as boot disks
** Supports ASRock U.2 Kit)) thanks for all your help I hope I can finally move forward and thanks to your help I have dodged the many pitfalls that await the uninformed...
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