Motherboard and Memory suggestion

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Hello everyone,
I'm trying to get information to my future upgrade. I'd like to buy an AM2 motherboard and 1Gb ram. I need 2 IDE connectors beacuse I have 2 optical drives and my HDD usesnormal ata as well. Can you suggest one for a reasonable price( 150$).
My second question is what type of memory should I buy. I thought of Corsair memories (2*512Mb). Is there much difference between 667 mhz memory and 800 mhz memory? Will my system be a lot faster if I use 800 mhz memory instead of 667 mhz memory? BTW I plan to buy an Athlon 64 X2 3600+. My friend suggested a single core athlon 64 3000+ because there aren't many programms on the market that can take advantage of dualcore technology. Thanks.
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It's going to be tough to get a AM2 CPU, mobo, and 1GB RAM for $150. Do you have a PCI Express x 16 video card? If not you'll have to get a mobo with onboard video
 

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Sorry. I meant 150$ only for the mobo and another 150 for the memory.I will buy a 7900GS with them, so I won't need an onboard video. Overall budget for the system is 700$.
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Sorry. I meant 150$ only for the mobo and another 150 for the memory.I will buy a 7900GS with them, so I won't need an onboard video. Overall budget for the system is 700$.
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Mobo, CPU, and RAM would be easy for $750, in fact it would be a lot less. eg.g,

Mobo http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813136015 $90

CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103741 $169.00

I like the above mobo because it has 3 PCI slots and onboard firewire for my camcorder. I'm mot likely to use SLI but most boards with firewire also have SLI. I have the X2 4200 on a 939 mobo and it's does the job but I don't play games but do fool with videos, which is resource intensive. With your budget could you move up to a 4600 but don't know it it would be worth the extra dollars. Check out the CPU chart on tomshardware focusing on applications you'll be using. You can compare 2 CPUs by application. As for RAM, I like Crucial and once I decide on a mobe, I go to their site for the reccomended RAM, you shoulld be able to get 2GB if you go with the AM2 X2 3800 or 4200, given a choice I'd opt for a step down of the CPU to get 2GB of RAM. If it fits in your budget, which it will, go with the dual core, again check out the CPU chart to see the benefits. As for 667mhz vs 800, from what I've read, if your not going to getting into serious overclocking, the 667mhz is just as good. Suggest you go to newegg and create a couple of wish lists to figure out where you want to put you money.
 

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Thanks for the advices. I like the board, so I'll stick with it. I have never had a mobo from this manufacturer but I'll try it out. As for the CPU I'll stick with an athlon 64 X2 3600+ EE. About the memory: I'll get 667 mhz memory (Corsair or Kingston)because I don't want to overclock. Buying 2 GB of memory is a bit expensive for me. Maybe I'll buy 1GB later on.
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Thanks for the advices. I like the board, so I'll stick with it. I have never had a mobo from this manufacturer but I'll try it out. As for the CPU I'll stick with an athlon 64 X2 3600+ EE. About the memory: I'll get 667 mhz memory (Corsair or Kingston)because I don't want to overclock. Buying 2 GB of memory is a bit expensive for me. Maybe I'll buy 1GB later on.
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I'm confused about the CPU, the only 3600+ AM2 I found is a Sempron at $103 while for $135 you can get the X2 3800 that would be a signifcantly better. Didn't realize there was that much difference between the 3800 and 4200, when I got the 4200 it was on special and about $10 0r $15 more. Certainly the 3800 would work. As for the RAM, the general consensus seems to be you're best off buying two packaged together, which the 2GB would be what you'd get but as long as you bought the identical RAM if you wanted to increase it later, I'd imagine you'd be fine. If you think you'll eventually go to 2GB, I'd suggest you buy one stickk of 1GB rather than 512MB, will make increasing it later a lot easier.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104317
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103735
 

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Thanks for the advices. I like the board, so I'll stick with it. I have never had a mobo from this manufacturer but I'll try it out. As for the CPU I'll stick with an athlon 64 X2 3600+ EE. About the memory: I'll get 667 mhz memory (Corsair or Kingston)because I don't want to overclock. Buying 2 GB of memory is a bit expensive for me. Maybe I'll buy 1GB later on.
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The 3600+ X2 is a 65nm chip.
Can AMD's 65nm Core Fight Back? Tom's Hardware 1/8/07
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/08/can-amds-65-nm-core-fight-back/index.html
"AMD was considerate enough to place the new 65 nm Brisbane core into the existing Socket AM2 processor package (940-pin socket), making the new models fully compatible with existing motherboards. You will have to update the BIOS to a new version that supports the 65 nm Brisbane processors, however, before installing a Brisbane chip and starting the system. Check out the website of your motherboard vendor to find a current BIOS image file. You will also need a BIOS update program, which most companies now offer as a Windows tool."
Do you have a 90nm chip to use in order to flash the BIOS before running the new X2 3600?
 

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I will buy these:
http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/placi-de-baza/dfi/infinity-nf-ultra-m2/
http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/procesoare/amd/athlon-64-x2-3600-plus-windsor-64bitam2box/
http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/memorii/corsair/vs1gbkit667d2/
http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/memorii/kingston/valueram-ddr-ii-2x512mb-667-mhz/
http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/placi-video/gainward/bliss-7900gs-golden-sample/
I don't know if I really need 2 Gb of ram but if I go for 2 gigs then I will buy a dualchannel kit. I posted 2 links for the memory because I don't know which one is better. Their prices are the same.
Note: sum in ron should be divided with 2.6 to get the value in USD
 

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Process Technology

90 nanometer, SOI (silicon-on-insulator) Technology
65 nanometer, SOI (silicon-on-insulator) Technology
So practically there could be a 90 nm version of it. And this one has only 512 kb l2 cache
 

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According to the store's site this one has a Windsor core(90 nm).
Now I am confused :oops: :lol:

We were looking at different sites. On newegg the only X2 3600 was OEM and I limited my search to Retail because you get the HSF. Did a quick check of reviews of the AM2 X2 3600 and 3800 and as would be expected the 3800 is a bit faster and apparently will overclock bit better. Looks like there is about 85 RON difference assuming they both come with a HSF but I have know idea if 85 RON is significant given I don't know what the currency is. If you don't mind, where are you from and is $85 RON a significant difference? Interestingly, checking the latest CPU chart on tomshardware, the 3600 isn't included and have no idea what that means.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html
 

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Thanks for the advices. I like the board, so I'll stick with it. I have never had a mobo from this manufacturer but I'll try it out. As for the CPU I'll stick with an athlon 64 X2 3600+ EE. About the memory: I'll get 667 mhz memory (Corsair or Kingston)because I don't want to overclock. Buying 2 GB of memory is a bit expensive for me. Maybe I'll buy 1GB later on.
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The 3600+ X2 is a 65nm chip.
Can AMD's 65nm Core Fight Back? Tom's Hardware 1/8/07
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/08/can-amds-65-nm-core-fight-back/index.html
"AMD was considerate enough to place the new 65 nm Brisbane core into the existing Socket AM2 processor package (940-pin socket), making the new models fully compatible with existing motherboards. You will have to update the BIOS to a new version that supports the 65 nm Brisbane processors, however, before installing a Brisbane chip and starting the system. Check out the website of your motherboard vendor to find a current BIOS image file. You will also need a BIOS update program, which most companies now offer as a Windows tool."
Do you have a 90nm chip to use in order to flash the BIOS before running the new X2 3600?

This was apparently posted while I was doing my last response, Newf is right about checking the mobo mfg about the BIOS. Personally, I'd go with the 3800 because you don't have to do the BIOS update first and would be sure of compatability but I prefer to keep things simple because less chance of problems.
 

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...Personally, I'd go with the 3800 because you don't have to do the BIOS update first and would be sure of compatability but I prefer to keep things simple because less chance of problems.
Me too. In due time the motherboard makers will ship product with updated BIOS that's compatible with 65nm. For now I would only get a 65nm if I was upgrading from a slow single core AM2. One other option would be to buy your parts from a retail store. Often they will update your BIOS for you before you assemble the new parts (nominal fee may or may not apply).
 

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Your right. I like to keep things simple too. :)
Stupid questions: What is an HSF and OEM?
85 ROn difference means 32$ difference. (1USD= 2,6420Ron)
 

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For now I would only get a 65nm if I was upgrading from a slow single core AM2. One other option would be to buy your parts from a retail store. Often they will update your BIOS for you before you assemble the new parts (nominal fee may or may not apply).[/quote]
Well I'm upgradinf from a single core socket A Sempron.That it is a good idea, a friend of mine works at a retail store and he can do it for free :)
 

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Your right. I like to keep things simple too. :)
Stupid questions: What is an HSF and OEM?
85 ROn difference means 32$ difference. (1USD= 2,6420Ron)
HSF means Heat-Sink-Fan, the cooling device that you must use on top of any modern processor.
OEM means Original-Equipment-Manufacturer, but in this case it is the acronym used to indicate a bare processor sold in volume to system builders. These processors are shipped by the case in trays and do not include any cooling devices (HSF).
Keep it simple and buy a retail boxed version of your processor that comes with a 3 yr warranty as well as a decent cooler.
 

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What's a Yugo? :roll: :lol: Ok ok. I believe you. Than it's 65 nm Brisbane. Yess!!! :lol: :D
A Yugo is (was?) a car, sort of...

As an aside I did some autocrossing a few years ago and one of the drivers ran a Yugo, I think it's an Hungarian car, he had 3 or 4 of them. One event he rolled one of them, got out and broke out with a huge grin saying what fun it was. If nothing else, Yugos can be fun to roll given they're pretty useless to start with. :D
 

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Ok. I chose a boxed 3800+. I found another interesting thing on the vendor's site.
http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/procesoare/amd/amd-athlon-64-x2-3800-plus-windsoram264bitbox/
http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/procesoare/amd/athlon-64-x2-3800-plus-windsor-64bitam2box/
I don't know what's the difference between them besides the box's design and their price.
 

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I would also consider a more modern chipset for your motherboard.
Take a look at these:

MSI K9N Ultra-2F nForce570 chipset 309.51RON 1/27/07
http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/placi-de-baza/msi/k9n-ultra-2f/

Asus M2N-E nForce 570 chipset 329.13RON 1/27/07
http://www.shopit.ro/componente-pc/placi-de-baza/asus/m2n-e/

Buy DDR2-800 (PC6400) ram.