Question Motherboard lights turn on but PC doesn't ?

[wrik2223]

I have been using my PC for many years and this is the first time I am facing this issue. It was running fine till yesterday. Now when I switch on my PC, the mobo lights turn on, and when I press the power button on my case, the fans and fan lights turn on for like a millisecond and then immediately turns off. Another thing I noticed is that when they turn off, my PSU makes like a "click" noise.

I have tried every troubleshooting I can, including checking the CMOS, I even replaced the CMOS, the ram, trying different slots and single channel, unplugging every external device, turning the PC on by using a screwdriver to short the PW button pins on the mobo. I know it's not my PSU because it's new and it hasn't even been 1 year.

PC specs:
AMD Ryzen 3100 CPU
AMD RX570 8GB OC GPU
ASUS EX-A320M MOBO
2x8GB DDR4 3200MHZ CRUCIAL RAM
WD BLUE 1TB NVME SSD
WD BLUE 500GB SATA SSD
COOLER MASTER MWE BRONZE 650W PSU

 

[Aeacus]

I know it's not my PSU because it's new and it hasn't even been 1 year.

Not all PSUs are created equal.

For prime example, two PSUs,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/qn7v6h,cN26Mp/

Can you tell me, why Apevia Galaxy costs 3 times less than Seasonic Focus?
Both are 650W, 80+ Gold and semi-modular; yet, Apevia costs $54 and Seasonic costs $144. Surely there must be a reason, right?
Also, which of the two PSUs you'd use?

That being said, your CM MWE Bronze, IF it is V2, at best, is mediocre quality unit. But if it is V1, then it is low quality unit. So, which one is it?
But it doesn't matter much, since to rule out PSU issue, you need to test with 2nd, good quality, known to work PSU.

Good PSUs to look for, are: Seasonic Focus/Vertex/PRIME, Corsair RMx/RMi/HXi/AXi, Super Flower Leadex Gold/Platinum/Titanium.

 

[wrik2223]

Not all PSUs are created equal.

For prime example, two PSUs,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/qn7v6h,cN26Mp/

Can you tell me, why Apevia Galaxy costs 3 times less than Seasonic Focus?
Both are 650W, 80+ Gold and semi-modular; yet, Apevia costs $54 and Seasonic costs $144. Surely there must be a reason, right?
Also, which of the two PSUs you'd use?

That being said, your CM MWE Bronze, IF it is V2, at best, is mediocre quality unit. But if it is V1, then it is low quality unit. So, which one is it?
But it doesn't matter much, since to rule out PSU issue, you need to test with 2nd, good quality, known to work PSU.

Good PSUs to look for, are: Seasonic Focus/Vertex/PRIME, Corsair RMx/RMi/HXi/AXi, Super Flower Leadex Gold/Platinum/Titanium.

Of course I know not all PSUs are equal even if they have the same wattage and rating. My older PSU was a random brand which I don't even know properly of. This is V2. If it's the PSU, I have a 5 year warranty, and I have tested this same PSU on my friend's PC few months back as he was having some issues with his PC. It worked fine.

I know I could've gotten a better PSU but unfortunately I am on a tight budget and I am a student. So yea, I don't have much to work with.

 

[Aeacus]

few months back

Just because PSU worked few months back, doesn't mean it has to work now.

Hardware dies on daily basis, often without any apparent reason. But the better the PSU's build quality (and in turn, higher price), the longer PSU can last.

For example, my main build, Skylake (full specs with pics in my sig) is powered by Seasonic PRIME 650 80+ Titanium PSU with part number of SSR-650TD. I bought the PSU in 2016, brand new, and back then, it was the best 650W PSU money could buy (it still is one of the best, if not the best PSU out there). Now, my PSU has been in daily service for the last ~8 years, ~16h per day, and PSU is still going strong. I payed €206.80 for my PSU. But since it is the best produced by Seasonic, and is also validated to be great quality PSU by several reputable PSU reviewers, i feel safe that my PC is powered by the PRIME unit i bought.

If we look my PSU price on another aspect; namely €206.80 divided by 8 years = €25.85 per year. And since my PSU has 12 years of warranty (the longest there is), i am confident that my PSU will last me for another 4 years. Most likely far longer, since Seasonic is known to make very reliable PSUs.

Your CM MWE V2 Bronze costed you what? 50 bucks? And you got 1 year out of it?
No matter how i look at it, buying new mediocre quality PSU every year is more costly than going with great quality PSU and be set for easy 10-12 years.

Btw, i'm not saying you have to buy Seasonic PRIME (while preferred, not everyone can afford to fork out 200-300 bucks at once), so, Seasonic Focus GX-750 ATX 3.0, at 90 bucks is more than enough, both build quality and reliability wise (10 years of warranty),
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2g...ly-modular-atx-power-supply-atx3-focus-gx-750

I have a 5 year warranty

At current date, 5 year warranty PSU is not advised for purchase. And even if you RMA your PSU, all what you can get as a replacement, is another CM MWE V2 Bronze, which may last another year or so. Better to buy good quality PSU.

Btw, PSU reliability can be seen from the warranty length it has been given.
In a nutshell:
up to 2 years - terrible reliability
3 years - poor reliability (e.g Corsair VS/CS)
5 years - mediocre reliability (e.g Be Quiet! Straight Power 11, Seasonic G12, Corsair CX/CXF)
7 years - good reliability (e.g Seasonic Core/Focus GM, Corsair TX/AX)
10 years - great reliability (e.g Seasonic Focus GX/PX, Corsair RMx/HX/HXi/AXi)
12 years - superb reliability (e.g Seasonic Vertex/PRIME)

 

[wrik2223]

Just because PSU worked few months back, doesn't mean it has to work now.

Hardware dies on daily basis, often without any apparent reason. But the better the PSU's build quality (and in turn, higher price), the longer PSU can last.

For example, my main build, Skylake (full specs with pics in my sig) is powered by Seasonic PRIME 650 80+ Titanium PSU with part number of SSR-650TD. I bought the PSU in 2016, brand new, and back then, it was the best 650W PSU money could buy (it still is one of the best, if not the best PSU out there). Now, my PSU has been in daily service for the last ~8 years, ~16h per day, and PSU is still going strong. I payed €206.80 for my PSU. But since it is the best produced by Seasonic, and is also validated to be great quality PSU by several reputable PSU reviewers, i feel safe that my PC is powered by the PRIME unit i bought.

If we look my PSU price on another aspect; namely €206.80 divided by 8 years = €25.85 per year. And since my PSU has 12 years of warranty (the longest there is), i am confident that my PSU will last me for another 4 years. Most likely far longer, since Seasonic is known to make very reliable PSUs.

Your CM MWE V2 Bronze costed you what? 50 bucks? And you got 1 year out of it?
No matter how i look at it, buying new mediocre quality PSU every year is more costly than going with great quality PSU and be set for easy 10-12 years.

Btw, i'm not saying you have to buy Seasonic PRIME (while preferred, not everyone can afford to fork out 200-300 bucks at once), so, Seasonic Focus GX-750 ATX 3.0, at 90 bucks is more than enough, both build quality and reliability wise (10 years of warranty),
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2g...ly-modular-atx-power-supply-atx3-focus-gx-750


At current date, 5 year warranty PSU is not advised for purchase. And even if you RMA your PSU, all what you can get as a replacement, is another CM MWE V2 Bronze, which may last another year or so. Better to buy good quality PSU.

Btw, PSU reliability can be seen from the warranty length it has been given.
In a nutshell:
up to 2 years - terrible reliability
3 years - poor reliability (e.g Corsair VS/CS)
5 years - mediocre reliability (e.g Be Quiet! Straight Power 11, Seasonic G12, Corsair CX/CXF)
7 years - good reliability (e.g Seasonic Core/Focus GM, Corsair TX/AX)
10 years - great reliability (e.g Seasonic Focus GX/PX, Corsair RMx/HX/HXi/AXi)
12 years - superb reliability (e.g Seasonic Vertex/PRIME)

I don't know why you were so focused on the PSU but I had a technician look at my PC. Well my GPU died. Whenever I am trying to turn on my PC, my GPU is causing some sort of shorting which is causing the PSU to shut down for safety reasons. Without the GPU, it's turning on fine.

Well it has been almost 7 years since I got this GPU. It was a good run I suppose. Time to get a new GPU x_x

 

[Aeacus]

I don't know why you were so focused on the PSU but I had a technician look at my PC. Well my GPU died.

When PC doesn't turn on, troubleshooting of it is trying other components one-by-one, to make sense which one died.

Out of all other components, your PSU is lowest quality, thus, the most likely suspect. GPU shorting out is rare, more like 1 in 100 cases, but PSU gone bad, especially lesser quality unit, is usually 8 in 10 cases. Hence why PSU is suspected 1st.

Without the GPU, it's turning on fine.

Without GPU, PC doesn't work (there is 0 image) since your CPU doesn't have iGPU in it. So, can't say that without dedicated GPU, PC works fine.

 

[wrik2223]

When PC doesn't turn on, troubleshooting of it is trying other components one-by-one, to make sense which one died.

Out of all other components, your PSU is lowest quality, thus, the most likely suspect. GPU shorting out is rare, more like 1 in 100 cases, but PSU gone bad, especially lesser quality unit, is usually 8 in 10 cases. Hence why PSU is suspected 1st.


Without GPU, PC doesn't work (there is 0 image) since your CPU doesn't have iGPU in it. So, can't say that without dedicated GPU, PC works fine.

What I meant was my PC was turning on when the technician put his GPU in. With mine it wasn't. So it's pretty clear that my GPU is done for. I am going for the RX6600. I know it will bottleneck my CPU a bit but I will upgrade my CPU soon. What are your thoughts on the RX6600? Seems value for money to me.

 

[Aeacus]

RX6600 is decent for 1080p. Not so much for higher resos. Also, value (price to performance ratio) depends on at which price you'll buy it.

RX6600 ranges from $190 to $280.
Other comparable GPUs;
Intel Arc A580 ranges from $160 to $165.
RTX 3060 8GB ranges from $260 to $335.
RTX 3060 12GB ranges from $285 to $700.
RTX 4060 ranges from $290 to $650.

A580 has better value since it's cheaper than RX6600 but performs the same.
Here's also GPU hierarchy that ranks all modern GPUs,
article: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

 

[wrik2223]

RX6600 is decent for 1080p. Not so much for higher resos. Also, value (price to performance ratio) depends on at which price you'll buy it.

RX6600 ranges from $190 to $280.
Other comparable GPUs;
Intel Arc A580 ranges from $160 to $165.
RTX 3060 8GB ranges from $260 to $335.
RTX 3060 12GB ranges from $285 to $700.
RTX 4060 ranges from $290 to $650.

A580 has better value since it's cheaper than RX6600 but performs the same.
Here's also GPU hierarchy that ranks all modern GPUs,
article: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

I was looking at the benchmarks comparing the Arc A580 and the RX6600. The RX6600 performs better in most games. On top of that, which seemed very concerning, the A580 draws almost 100W more under load than the RX6600 while performing worse. The community also doesn't favour the A580 because of it's drivers and optimization and here the A580 costs almost $70 more than the RX6600. It's price is closer to the RTX 3060 8GB here. In my opinion the RX6600 seems bang for the buck.

 

[Aeacus]

here the A580 costs almost $70 more than the RX6600.

Yes, it depends on your local pricing.

Checked my local store and for me, A580 costs as low as €200. While RX6600 price starts from €222.

Intel GPUs used to have driver issues when they 1st launched but now, Intel has remedied the issue and for the most part, GPUs work as they are supposed to.
Though, personally, i prefer Nvidia. Better drivers/optimization than AMD.

 

[wrik2223]

Yes, it depends on your local pricing.

Checked my local store and for me, A580 costs as low as €200. While RX6600 price starts from €222.

Intel GPUs used to have driver issues when they 1st launched but now, Intel has remedied the issue and for the most part, GPUs work as they are supposed to.
Though, personally, i prefer Nvidia. Better drivers/optimization than AMD.

I also prefer Nvidia but here the price of the RTX 3050 and the RX6600 are similar but the RX6600 just dwarfs the RTX 3050 in every game.

Also, the technician advised me to not buy a GPU online. Almost all my PC parts are bought online. Do you agree that I shouldn't buy a GPU online?

 

[Aeacus]

Do you agree that I shouldn't buy a GPU online?

Completely depends on where you live.

E.g i live in Europe (in Estonia to be exact) and local online stores here, are reputable. Moreover, i have my own PC parts store where to buy components (it's 2nd oldest PC hardware store in Estonia) and i've bought (ordered from their e-shop) 3 builds worth of components from there + plethora of PC tuning hardware as well (e.g CableMod cables).

I've also ordered PC hardware from amazon (those that my local store doesn't carry). Usually from amazon.de (since it's closer, with shipping of 2-3 days), but i have ordered from amazon.com as well (ships from USA, shipping time 2-3 weeks). E.g my AverMedia Ballista Trinity speakers came from amazon.com.
Oh, i did buy some stuff directly from CableMod store as well, since local store and amazon didn't carry what i needed (e.g custom sleeved front I/O extension cables).

 

[wrik2223]

Completely depends on where you live.

E.g i live in Europe (in Estonia to be exact) and local online stores here, are reputable. Moreover, i have my own PC parts store where to buy components (it's 2nd oldest PC hardware store in Estonia) and i've bought (ordered from their e-shop) 3 builds worth of components from there + plethora of PC tuning hardware as well (e.g CableMod cables).

I've also ordered PC hardware from amazon (those that my local store doesn't carry). Usually from amazon.de (since it's closer, with shipping of 2-3 days), but i have ordered from amazon.com as well (ships from USA, shipping time 2-3 weeks). E.g my AverMedia Ballista Trinity speakers came from amazon.com.
Oh, i did buy some stuff directly from CableMod store as well, since local store and amazon didn't carry what i needed (e.g custom sleeved front I/O extension cables).

I was planning to buy from Amazon. I am from India. I can't really buy from Amazon.com because of the extreme import charges. Amazon.in has been pretty reliable. There are other e-shops too where the price is different. But Amazon has 7 days replacement, hence my preference.

ASUS Dual Radeon RX 6600 8 GB GDDR6 RAM PCIe 4.0 Dual Fans Desktop Graphic Card, pci_e_x16 https://amzn.in/d/932Eqrb

Is this good?

 

[Aeacus]

ASUS Dual Radeon RX 6600 8 GB GDDR6 RAM PCIe 4.0 Dual Fans Desktop Graphic Card, pci_e_x16 https://amzn.in/d/932Eqrb

Is this good?

Well, there are only 14 SKUs of RX6600 to choose from, so not much of a choice.
Full list of all variants here: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6600.c3696

Sapphire is one of the best when it comes to AMD GPUs. Personally, i prefer MSI. Asus has customer support issues. So, unless you don't need to RMA it (or RMA via amazon), Asus should suffice.

I was planning to buy from Amazon. I am from India. I can't really buy from Amazon.com because of the extreme import charges. Amazon.in has been pretty reliable.

What little i know of India, amazon.in seems to be the only option if you don't want to get scammed. Sure, there are street stores as well, e.g Nehru Place in Delhi or Ritchie Street in Chennai (top 10 tech centers in India: https://www.pcshop.in/popular-top-10-computer-centers-in-india/ ), but quality of components sold there is questionable. But i imagine you can find all kinds of stuff there, even ancient/unique hardware.

 

[wrik2223]

Well, there are only 14 SKUs of RX6600 to choose from, so not much of a choice.
Full list of all variants here: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6600.c3696

I was doing some research about this. I found 2 versions of the ASUS RX6600. One is the normal RX6600 and the other is DUAL RX6600 V2. The V2 costs significantly more on Amazon. Can you look into it?

 

[Aeacus]

There are actually 3 variants of Asus RX6600,
comparison: https://www.asus.com/product-compar...evelId=motherboards-components-graphics-cards

There is no performance difference between the three.
All three have same core and boost clocks, but V1 calls it as Gaming Mode while V2 and V3 calls it as Default Mode.
Also, V3 is 2.1 slots wide while V1 and V2 are 2.5 slots wide.
V3 also has a bit smaller dimensions than V1 and V2.

So, usage wise, get the cheapest (V1 then).

 

[wrik2223]

There are actually 3 variants of Asus RX6600,
comparison: https://www.asus.com/product-compar...evelId=motherboards-components-graphics-cards

There is no performance difference between the three.
All three have same core and boost clocks, but V1 calls it as Gaming Mode while V2 and V3 calls it as Default Mode.
Also, V3 is 2.1 slots wide while V1 and V2 are 2.5 slots wide.
V3 also has a bit smaller dimensions than V1 and V2.

So, usage wise, get the cheapest (V1 then).

Okay then. Thank you so much for the help!