News MSI’s AMD X670E and X670-P Motherboards Listed With Euro Pricing

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MSI’s MPG X670E Carbon Wi-Fi is about €620, and the MSI Pro X670-P Wi-Fi about €410 on average. Converting to USD and taking off VAT would give pricing of $495 and $320, respectively.

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[shady28]

So, MSI X670-A Pro costs $320 USD?

I can get an MSI Z690-A Pro Wifi for $199, marked down from $220.

Going AM5 is going to be very pricey, especially if one wants to build something that can actually make use of the performance. DDR5-6000 is still mostly around $250-$300. 7600X leak showed it was around $340.

You're now talking $1000 for a 7600X + motherboard + RAM if you include a little sales tax. And, that's not even considered high end. The MSI Pro is MSI's bottom line, 7600X will be AMDs low end enthusiast CPU, and DDR5-6000 is really middle of the road now.

Yeah, $1500 for a midrange setup. AMD FTW...

 

[hotaru251]

So, MSI X670-A Pro costs $320 USD?

I can get an MSI Z690-A Pro Wifi for $199, marked down from $220.

Going AM5 is going to be very pricey, especially if one wants to build something that can actually make use of the performance. DDR5-6000 is still mostly around $250-$300. 7600X leak showed it was around $340.

except on AMD side they lower prices quick enough.

Intel can take ages or never lower price until next gen launch.

and AM5 is investment. AMD already said it'll have similar life as AM4 did where as intels already known to only be going to support 12 and 13th.

also u'll have ddr5 for future update.


and zen4 igpu will be WAAAAY ahead of Intel for budget types given even the ancient vega graphics beat intel's and zen4 is using rdna2/3?

 

[shady28]

except on AMD side they lower prices quick enough.

Intel can take ages or never lower price until next gen launch.

and AM5 is investment. AMD already said it'll have similar life as AM4 did where as intels already known to only be going to support 12 and 13th.

also u'll have ddr5 for future update.


and zen4 igpu will be WAAAAY ahead of Intel for budget types given even the ancient vega graphics beat intel's and zen4 is using rdna2/3?

AMD didn't lower prices very quick on Zen 2 or Zen 3. In fact, with Zen 3, they haven't had anything below $300 until recently.

Intel OTOH will likely have a 13100 / 13400 out within 3 months. So that is just wishful thinking on your part, easily disproven by recent history.

The AM5 long term thing may turn out to be true. I would not necessarily bank on it though, AMD may need to move more quickly than sticking to the same socket.

Zen 4 is not going to be ahead of anything on Intel for budget types, given that you can get a decent B660 board that supports DDR4 for $100 and pop a 13600K into it on day 1.

 

[-Fran-]

What was the average debuting price of Z690 and X570? I just hope this is one bad example of early buyers tax, because otherwise this does not look good for AMD.

Regards.

 

[KyaraM]

except on AMD side they lower prices quick enough.

Intel can take ages or never lower price until next gen launch.

and AM5 is investment. AMD already said it'll have similar life as AM4 did where as intels already known to only be going to support 12 and 13th.

also u'll have ddr5 for future update.


and zen4 igpu will be WAAAAY ahead of Intel for budget types given even the ancient vega graphics beat intel's and zen4 is using rdna2/3?

When I bought my 12700k and assorted system in February this year, I paid 418€ for the CPU, 191€ for the Z690 motherboard, and 135€ for the DDR4 RAM because DDR5 currently makes no sense to me and it's not as if I can't upgrade later with a different motherboard. At the same time, the most comparable AMD system would have cost me 540€ for the CPU, 190€ for the motherboard, and 135 for the 32GB DDR4 3600 RAM. That's a 100 bucks difference right there, which I could have invested in decent DDR5 RAM had I so wished. The difference between the 12900K and the 5950X was even more severe, with the 12900k going for about 590€ and the 5950X for over 900€. The Intel platform was out for, what, 4 months at that point? The mainboard was already down 30 bucks at that point. And AMD was out for over a year. It took them almost two years to go down to Intel's level. Yeah, they really go down fast...

What was the average debuting price of Z690 and X570? I just hope this is one bad example of early buyers tax, because otherwise this does not look good for AMD.

Regards.

They started at around 200 for the Z690 and I think most cost around 300-350 at their introduction. They went down quickly, though, and many can be had for 180-300 by now iirc. For AMD, I cannot say unfortunately.

 

[-Fran-]

They started at around 200 for the Z690 and I think most cost around 300-350 at their introduction. They went down quickly, though, and many can be had for 180-300 by now iirc. For AMD, I cannot say unfortunately.

I can't remember either for X570, but I do remember they were expensive within the first few months and went down slowly. Plus, AMD had no real competition from Intel then in terms of platform until Z690, so they kept prices up for a good while.

I've been trying to find some sites with pricing history and found some, but UK-centric:

https://pricespy.co.uk/computers-ac...ix-x570-e-gaming-wifi-ii--p5899496#statistics

Due to inflation in the last few months, it has actually gone up, but the trend was down right before the Ukraine vs Russia event. Most other boards I've looked at follow, more or less, the same curve, which is sad. So, in short, it's a similar story with X570: started high and went down, but due to "stuff", it has gone up a bit again.

EDIT: I just noticed that link uses a revision 2 of a board, so it's new-ish. This is a better example:

https://pricespy.co.uk/computers-ac...-rog-strix-x570-f-gaming--p5102534#statistics

Regards.

 

[AgentBirdnest]

What was the average debuting price of Z690 and X570? I just hope this is one bad example of early buyers tax, because otherwise this does not look good for AMD.

Regards.

I was considering the X570 MPG Carbon Wifi when building my current PC three years ago. I'm pretty sure it was $270 or 280 at launch.
Not sure about the MSI X570 "Pro", but it definitely had to be below $200, because I remember a higher-tier model at that price point.

 

[shady28]

I can't remember either for X570, but I do remember they were expensive within the first few months and went down slowly. Plus, AMD had no real competition from Intel then in terms of platform until Z690, so they kept prices up for a good while.

I've been trying to find some sites with pricing history and found some, but UK-centric:

https://pricespy.co.uk/computers-ac...ix-x570-e-gaming-wifi-ii--p5899496#statistics

Due to inflation in the last few months, it has actually gone up, but the trend was down right before the Ukraine vs Russia event. Most other boards I've looked at follow, more or less, the same curve, which is sad. So, in short, it's a similar story with X570: started high and went down, but due to "stuff", it has gone up a bit again.

EDIT: I just noticed that link uses a revision 2 of a board, so it's new-ish. This is a better example:

https://pricespy.co.uk/computers-ac...-rog-strix-x570-f-gaming--p5102534#statistics

Regards.

That's a useful site. I found the MSI Pro Z690-A has gone from 185 Euro to 175 Euro. This is the Intel version of the X670 board that was the cheapest on the leaked price levels at ~$320 USD.

Euro has declined like 10% vs the dollar in 2022 though, so that probably needs to be factored in. MSRP shows to be about $220 USD, still $100 below the release price of the same motherboard with an X670.

I thought this might happen with X670. The board specs released showed very high VRM counts (like 16+ VRMs) and they now have the HDMI/DP connections which AMD boards have never had. I bet just the video part there adds $25 to every motherboard.

So the days of cheap AMD motherboards was going to end, however I don't fully understand why they cost significantly more than Intel boards at the same position in their lineup. The only thing I can think of is possibly the PCIe 5 m.2, but that shouldn't be an extra $100.

 

[KyaraM]

That's a useful site. I found the MSI Pro Z690-A has gone from 185 Euro to 175 Euro. This is the Intel version of the X670 board that was the cheapest on the leaked price levels at ~$320 USD.

Euro has declined like 10% vs the dollar in 2022 though, so that probably needs to be factored in. MSRP shows to be about $220 USD, still $100 below the release price of the same motherboard with an X670.

I thought this might happen with X670. The board specs released showed very high VRM counts (like 16+ VRMs) and they now have the HDMI/DP connections which AMD boards have never had. I bet just the video part there adds $25 to every motherboard.

So the days of cheap AMD motherboards was going to end, however I don't fully understand why they cost significantly more than Intel boards at the same position in their lineup. The only thing I can think of is possibly the PCIe 5 m.2, but that shouldn't be an extra $100.

The MSI PRO Z690-A is currently 198€ in Germany, I got it for 191€ in February. MSRP was around 220€ here, too, iirc. So it's still cheaper, but went up a bit like everything else... not sure what basis that webaite uaes for pricing, though. Europe can have vastly different prices. Also, that board has a DDR4 and a DDR5 version that can be priced quite differently, so careful there.

 

[-Fran-]

That's a useful site. I found the MSI Pro Z690-A has gone from 185 Euro to 175 Euro. This is the Intel version of the X670 board that was the cheapest on the leaked price levels at ~$320 USD.

Euro has declined like 10% vs the dollar in 2022 though, so that probably needs to be factored in. MSRP shows to be about $220 USD, still $100 below the release price of the same motherboard with an X670.

I thought this might happen with X670. The board specs released showed very high VRM counts (like 16+ VRMs) and they now have the HDMI/DP connections which AMD boards have never had. I bet just the video part there adds $25 to every motherboard.

So the days of cheap AMD motherboards was going to end, however I don't fully understand why they cost significantly more than Intel boards at the same position in their lineup. The only thing I can think of is possibly the PCIe 5 m.2, but that shouldn't be an extra $100.

Just in case you didn't notice, that page gives you the price in £GBP and not €EUR, so the price differences are slightly different, unless they also have a € conversion?

Also, all AMD boards do come with video out, since they do technically (all) support the G APUs.

The MSI PRO Z690-A is currently 198€ in Germany, I got it for 191€ in February. MSRP was around 220€ here, too, iirc. So it's still cheaper, but went up a bit like everything else... not sure what basis that webaite uaes for pricing, though. Europe can have vastly different prices. Also, that board has a DDR4 and a DDR5 version that can be priced quite differently, so careful there.

That is also something important to consider. The DDR4 version of the boards are usually cheaper than their DDR5 counterpart ad AMD does not have DDR4 boards with AM5.

Regards.

 

[thisisaname]

except on AMD side they lower prices quick enough.

Intel can take ages or never lower price until next gen launch.

and AM5 is investment. AMD already said it'll have similar life as AM4 did where as intels already known to only be going to support 12 and 13th.

also u'll have ddr5 for future update.


and zen4 igpu will be WAAAAY ahead of Intel for budget types given even the ancient vega graphics beat intel's and zen4 is using rdna2/3?

I wonder how many launch boards AM4 boards could take the latest generation of chip?

 

[shady28]

The MSI PRO Z690-A is currently 198€ in Germany, I got it for 191€ in February. MSRP was around 220€ here, too, iirc. So it's still cheaper, but went up a bit like everything else... not sure what basis that webaite uaes for pricing, though. Europe can have vastly different prices. Also, that board has a DDR4 and a DDR5 version that can be priced quite differently, so careful there.

FWIW, on the MSI Pro A X670 vs Z690 from MSI's site, it looks like the Z690 wins or at least is on par on connectivity (for that board).

The differences boil down to this :
The Z690 has an X16 PCIE 5.0 slot, the X670 doesn't.
The X670's single CPU Connected m.2 slot is PCIe 5.0, while the Z690s is PCIe 4.0
They both have 3 additional PCIe 4.0 m.2 slots via the chipset, however Intel has twice the throughput to the chipset itself through its DMI 4.0 x8 link vs AMDs PCIe 4.0 x4 link.

This is the X670 version:

3x PCI-E x16 slot
Supports x16/x4/x2
1x PCI-E x1 slot
PCI_E1 PCIe 4.0 supports up to x16 (From CPU)
PCI_E2 PCIe 3.0 supports up to x1 (From Chipset)
PCI_E3 PCIe 4.0 supports up to x4 (From CPU)
PCI_E4 PCIe 4.0 supports up to x2 (From Chipset)

4x M.2 slot
M.2_1 (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 22110/2280 devices
M.2_2 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_3 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_4 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
6x SATA 6G port

This is the Z690 version:

• 3x PCIe x16 slots
  • PCI_E1 (from CPU)
    • Supports up to PCIe 5.0 x16
  • PCI_E3 & PCI_E4 (from Z690 chipset)
    • Supports up to PCIe 3.0 x4 & 3.0 x1
• 1x PCIe 3.0 x1 slot (from Z690 chipset)

• 6x SATA 6Gb/s ports (from Z690 chipset)
• 4x M.2 slots (Key M)
  • M2_1 slot (from CPU)
    • Supports PCIe 4.0 x4
    • Supports 2242/ 2260/ 2280/ 22110 storage devices
  • M2_2 slot (from Z690 chipset)
    • Supports PCIe 4.0 x4
    • Supports 2242/ 2260/ 2280 storage devices
  • M2_3 slot (from Z690 chipset)
    • Supports PCIe 3.0 x4
    • Supports SATA 6Gb/s
    • Supports 2242/ 2260/ 2280 storage devices
  • M2_4 slot (from Z690 chipset)
    • Supports PCIe 4.0 x4
    • Supports SATA 6Gb/s
    • Supports 2242/ 2260/ 2280 storage devices
  • Intel® Optane™ Memory Ready for M.2 slots that are from Z690 Chipset
• Support Intel® Smart Response Technology for Intel Core™ processors

 

[-Fran-]

FWIW, on the MSI Pro A X670 vs Z690 from MSI's site, it looks like the Z690 wins or at least is on par on connectivity (for that board).

The differences boil down to this :
The Z690 has an X16 PCIE 5.0 slot, the X670 doesn't.
The X670's single CPU Connected m.2 slot is PCIe 5.0, while the Z690s is PCIe 4.0
They both have 3 additional PCIe 4.0 m.2 slots via the chipset, however Intel has twice the throughput to the chipset itself through its DMI 4.0 x8 link vs AMDs PCIe 4.0 x4 link.

This is the X670 version:

3x PCI-E x16 slot
Supports x16/x4/x2
1x PCI-E x1 slot
PCI_E1 PCIe 4.0 supports up to x16 (From CPU)
PCI_E2 PCIe 3.0 supports up to x1 (From Chipset)
PCI_E3 PCIe 4.0 supports up to x4 (From CPU)
PCI_E4 PCIe 4.0 supports up to x2 (From Chipset)

4x M.2 slot
M.2_1 (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 22110/2280 devices
M.2_2 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_3 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_4 (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
6x SATA 6G port

This is the Z690 version:

• 3x PCIe x16 slots
  • PCI_E1 (from CPU)
    • Supports up to PCIe 5.0 x16
  • PCI_E3 & PCI_E4 (from Z690 chipset)
    • Supports up to PCIe 3.0 x4 & 3.0 x1
• 1x PCIe 3.0 x1 slot (from Z690 chipset)

• 6x SATA 6Gb/s ports (from Z690 chipset)
• 4x M.2 slots (Key M)
  • M2_1 slot (from CPU)
    • Supports PCIe 4.0 x4
    • Supports 2242/ 2260/ 2280/ 22110 storage devices
  • M2_2 slot (from Z690 chipset)
    • Supports PCIe 4.0 x4
    • Supports 2242/ 2260/ 2280 storage devices
  • M2_3 slot (from Z690 chipset)
    • Supports PCIe 3.0 x4
    • Supports SATA 6Gb/s
    • Supports 2242/ 2260/ 2280 storage devices
  • M2_4 slot (from Z690 chipset)
    • Supports PCIe 4.0 x4
    • Supports SATA 6Gb/s
    • Supports 2242/ 2260/ 2280 storage devices
  • Intel® Optane™ Memory Ready for M.2 slots that are from Z690 Chipset
• Support Intel® Smart Response Technology for Intel Core™ processors

I can read the Z690 has 1 through PCIe3 and X670 are all PCIe4 and 5. Also, all the uplink to the CPU in AM5 is via 24 PCIe5 channels, but I don't know how that works in practice to support PCIe4 and lower. Still, out of the 24 channels, 4 are guaranteed for the NVMe in the X670 (non-E), so that leaves 20 channels of PCIe4/5 for the PCIe X16 slot and the rest of the NVMe drives. So, no; it's not quite the same as Z690.

This is from Tom's X670(E) news article:

That chip provides one PCIe 4.0 uplink connection to the CPU and two PCIe 4.0 x4 downlink controllers, for a maximum of eight PCIe 4.0 lane. It also supports four PCIe 3.0 x1/SATA 6Gpbs ports, six USB 3.2 Gen 2 10Gbps ports (two of which can be fused into a single 20Gbps port), and six additional USB 2.0 ports. For the SATA/PCIe 3.0 ports and USB 3.2 ports, the motherboard manufacturer can choose whether to opt for more SATA ports over PCIe ports or vice versa.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amds-multi-chiplet-x670-x670e-strategy

That bold part is what I don't fully understand here. The CPU provides 24 PCIe5 lanes and the chipset provides 8 PCIe4 + 4 PCIe3 lanes on its own? I guess that can explain why the X670 (non-E) can have all the NVMes with PCIe4 links.

Regards.

 

[KyaraM]

That is also something important to consider. The DDR4 version of the boards are usually cheaper than their DDR5 counterpart ad AMD does not have DDR4 boards with AM5.

Regards.

Slightly, yes. In the case of the Pro Z690-A, it's currently 10€ for the version without and 18€ for the WiFi one. So 208€ instead of 198€ and 226€ instead of 198€, respectively (both DDR4 versions are currently priced the same on my reference site, curiously enough). Afaik they were originally only divided by WiFi yes od in pricing/MSRP. Not exactly a significant difference in comparison to the AMD board, still something you need to know if interested, basically.

 

[shady28]

I can read the Z690 has 1 through PCIe3 and X670 are all PCIe4 and 5. Also, all the uplink to the CPU in AM5 is via 24 PCIe5 channels, but I don't know how that works in practice to support PCIe4 and lower.

m.2 #1, 2, 4 are all PCIe 4 with m.2 #3 being PCIe 3.0. The last 3 (2,3,4) come from the chipset, just like on the X670 version of this board.

The Intel Z690 chipset has a DMI 4.0 x8 link, equivalent to a PCIe 4.0 x8 link, also equivalent to a PCIe 5.0 X4 link. This DMI link is not using up any of the available PCIe channels on the CPU on an Intel system.

The comment on AMD chipset link is completely wrong based on what is currently known. Look at a diagram of X670 below, it uses 4 of the PCIe 5 ports running at PCIe 4.0 to the X670 chipset.

This is just like X570, I didn't think they were going to do this with PCIe 5.0 available but all indications are they did. Assuming this winds up being correct, and there are multiple places this information is available at, the X670 will have half the bandwidth to the chipset as the Z690. Given the X670E is merely daisy chained off the first PROM21 chip (chipset), that constraint gets worse.

Still, out of the 24 channels, 4 are guaranteed for the NVMe in the X670 (non-E), so that leaves 20 channels of PCIe4/5 for the PCIe X16 slot and the rest of the NVMe drives. So, no; it's not quite the same as Z690.

This is from Tom's X670(E) news article:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amds-multi-chiplet-x670-x670e-strategy

That bold part is what I don't fully understand here. The CPU provides 24 PCIe5 lanes and the chipset provides 8 PCIe4 + 4 PCIe3 lanes on its own? I guess that can explain why the X670 (non-E) can have all the NVMes with PCIe4 links.

Regards.

I wasn't doing a comparison of the X670 chipset / CPU capabilities and potentials, I was comparing this specific motherboard's connectivity. This is what you get for $320 for an AM5 motherboard.

Obviously the PCIe components are pricey, and in this case they decided to forgoe an x16 PCIe 5.0 slot and retain a single PCIe 5 x4 m.2 slot, with the remainder being PCIe 4 x4

I'd bet that having too many PCIe 5.0 traces and connections is what's ramping up the costs.

 

[buttabean2]

I was gung ho on picking up a 7950 to upgrade from my 1950x but these prices don't make much sense. I've got ddr4 3200 so picking up a 12 series intel might make a lot of sense depending on benchmarks. Maybe i'll wait till black friday. Usually a good time to upgrade.

 

[hotaru251]

In fact, with Zen 3, they haven't had anything below $300 until recently.

NOBODY had lowered prices on that gen....scalpers & tech shortage caused everythign to stay high.

I wonder how many launch boards AM4 boards could take the latest generation of chip?

zero as Zen4 is LGA not PGA iirc.

. The difference between the 12900K and the 5950X was even more severe,

you forget Zen 3's rival was 11th gen...not 12th gen.
Only the 5800x3D was made to compete vs 12th gen..and it wins in anything the cache benefits from.

12th gen as a whole technically had no amd rival as they didn't really launch a refresh (5700x was just oem 5800 non x) and those same cpu could be used in a MB made for Zen1 if desired.

 

[-Fran-]

m.2 #1, 2, 4 are all PCIe 4 with m.2 #3 being PCIe 3.0. The last 3 (2,3,4) come from the chipset, just like on the X670 version of this board.

The Intel Z690 chipset has a DMI 4.0 x8 link, equivalent to a PCIe 4.0 x8 link, also equivalent to a PCIe 5.0 X4 link. This DMI link is not using up any of the available PCIe channels on the CPU on an Intel system.

PCIe versions don't work like that. If it is PCIe-N, it never goes to N+1. The DMI is PCIe4 and that's it.

The comment on AMD chipset link is completely wrong based on what is currently known. Look at a diagram of X670 below, it uses 4 of the PCIe 5 ports running at PCIe 4.0 to the X670 chipset.

This is just like X570, I didn't think they were going to do this with PCIe 5.0 available but all indications are they did. Assuming this winds up being correct, and there are multiple places this information is available at, the X670 will have half the bandwidth to the chipset as the Z690. Given the X670E is merely daisy chained off the first PROM21 chip (chipset), that constraint gets worse.

I wasn't doing a comparison of the X670 chipset / CPU capabilities and potentials, I was comparing this specific motherboard's connectivity. This is what you get for $320 for an AM5 motherboard.

Obviously the PCIe components are pricey, and in this case they decided to forgoe an x16 PCIe 5.0 slot and retain a single PCIe 5 x4 m.2 slot, with the remainder being PCIe 4 x4

I'd bet that having too many PCIe 5.0 traces and connections is what's ramping up the costs.

That diagram can't be right, since AMD has publicly stated they will use PCIe5 for at least 1 NVMe in X670 and that diagram shows none. Maybe that was an old tentative diagram?

Regards.

 

[shady28]

PCIe versions don't work like that. If it is PCIe-N, it never goes to N+1. The DMI is PCIe4 and that's it.

DMI is not PCIe at all, it just has equivalent bandwidth to PCIe 4 per lane. 8 lanes of DMI 4 bandwidth is equivalent to 8 lanes of PCIe 4 bandwidth or 4 lanes of PCIe 5 bandwidth.

That diagram can't be right, since AMD has publicly stated they will use PCIe5 for at least 1 NVMe in X670 and that diagram shows none. Maybe that was an old tentative diagram?

Regards.

Here's another one then. I haven't seen anything that says the link to chipset is anything more than PCIe 4.0 x4. This one shows the daisy chaining of the Promontory chipsets with a shared PCIe 4 x4 link to host CPU :

 

[-Fran-]

DMI is not PCIe at all, it just has equivalent bandwidth to PCIe 4 per lane. 8 lanes of DMI 4 bandwidth is equivalent to 8 lanes of PCIe 4 bandwidth or 4 lanes of PCIe 5 bandwidth.

Ah, that makes more sense. I forgot they just compared it to PCIe4 speeds now that you mention it. Thanks.

Here's another one then. I haven't seen anything that says the link to chipset is anything more than PCIe 4.0 x4. This one shows the daisy chaining of the Promontory chipsets with a shared PCIe 4 x4 link to host CPU :

That's a better diagram for sure and it makes more sense to me. Thanks for finding it.

I find that actually impressive. The I/O die will drive a LOT of connectivity directly from there and AMD dedicating 4 PCIe4 lanes for USB4 is nice to see, but it will clearly need the extra chip for it in the motherboard. But the whole set of USB3 directly being driven from it is really nice to see. I guess AMD learned their lesson with the current USB shenanigans they've had, LOL!

As for what we were discussing, I can see AMD will provide the PCIe4 x4 connection in all M.2, but I don't think the chipset will be able to saturate the fastest NVMe's at full speed simultaneously, similar to Z690 (and Z790's) diagram, but Intel does have more effective bandwidth with their chipsets it looks like, so it may not be as noticeable. It's an interesting imbalance to see, but I'd be willing to say it won't affect normal usage, like Z690 doesn't when you saturate the DMI. Intel drives way less things directly from the SoC, so they need a faster link. Well, we'll see how AMD's implementation behaves soon enough. All I can say looking at this diagram and comparing it to Intel is that AMD has a leg up Z690 and, potentially, Z790, albeit small. I'm curious to see how Intel will solve the USB4 link dilemma.

I wonder if that MSI board is missing some more information as well on what it has? looking at this diagram, looks like they're either overcharging or not putting everything it actually has?

Regards.

 

[shady28]

I wonder if that MSI board is missing some more information as well on what it has? looking at this diagram, looks like they're either overcharging or not putting everything it actually has?

Regards.

The higher end MSI boards have more. The Way Zen 4 is laid out they have 28 PCI 5.0 lanes to work with.

4 lanes are used as PCI 4. 0 lanes to the chipset which means for all practical purposes on this generation of chipsets you have 24 PCIe 5 lanes the motherboard vendor can use.

So on this motherboard, likely the cheapest X670 you can get at launch :
28 PCI 5 lanes - 4 PCI 4 for chipset leaving 24.
24 - 4 for PCI 5 x4 slot leaving 20
20 - 16 for PCI 4 x 16 slot leaving 8.
8 - 4 for PCI 4 x4 slot leaving 4

They may, or may not, have that discrete USB controller for the remaining 4 lanes. On this board given it is low end in MSI's X670 lineup, I kind of doubt it.

The other boards in their lineup make better use of PCIe 5, but we're talking about $400+ motherboards now.

 

[thisisaname]

zero as Zen4 is LGA not PGA iirc.

Sorry I did not make myself clear when I said " latest generation of chip " I meant latest generation of chip that used the AM4 platform. (Pedant aside the 7000 series has not been released so it is not " the latest generation of chip" it is the next generation of chips)
I do not think the 5000 series of chips would work in all of the launch AM4 motherboards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socke...unched in September,FS1b as a single platform.