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What's even funnier about the picture is the massive NDA, do not share in big bold letters on the slid. I guess somehow they missed that.

On the performance front, 3% on average doesn't seem like it would be worth even producing these CPUs, but I guess it gives fans something.
 
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JamesJones44 said:
What's even funnier about the picture is the massive NDA, do not share in big bold letters on the slid. I guess somehow they missed that.

On the performance front, 3% on average doesn't seem like it would be worth even producing these CPUs, but I guess it gives fans something.
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I wonder if Intel will be after them for "missing" the NDA.
 
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JamesJones44 said:
On the performance front, 3% on average doesn't seem like it would be worth even producing these CPUs,
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Is it possible they're the exact same CPUs as Gen 13? Maybe just another stepping or something? I'm eager to see some die-shot analysis to see whether they actually changed anything.

I thought the max supported memory speed was supposed to increase, but I wonder if that's possible without a silicon-level change...
 
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It is called Raptor-Lake refresh. It is not dissimilar to Haswell Devil’s Canyon (4770K-->4790K) and Kabylake (6700K-->7700K) in the past. It’s a new stepping on an even more mature Intel 7 node, enabling a few more hundred MHz in frequency without increasing power and offering a better IMC for improved memory support (more consistent anyway – not being picky or needing ITX motherboards or 1 DIMM per channel boards like APEX or Tachyon). This would previously require binning while now this is the typical coming out of production.

As for the MSI content. They say that it’s 3% on average. So there are applications that benefit more than 3% and some less. To me that 3% seems more calculated than actually tested. Going from 5.8GHz to 6GHz is 3.4% higher so it fits. But I expect a higher benefit at heavier than single/dual threaded workloads. The all P-core frequency of the 13900K is 5.5GHz but when the e-cores are heavily loaded/used (as in Cinebench) it clocks down to 4.9GHz all-P-core. With the 14900K this is likely improved due to better efficiency. There is a lot of room there to go from 4.9 to say 5.3-5.4GHz resulting in a bump of closer to 8-10% on the contribution of P-cores.

Also have you ever watched a video from those MSI presenters on youtube when they did streaming on the channel before? They are not particularly benchmark savvy or knowledgeable. They are certainly not engineers. In most ways they are worse than most techtubers (e.g. worse than Jayz2cents and I am not bashing Jay here). In any case the existence of the 14th gen is good as it will reduce prices on 13th gen, especially in the i7 category with the 14700K getting a decent bump in the multithreaded performance.
 
Lmao this is so funny and not even the NDA do not share thing ..

At this point AMD can sit on the 8000series till 15th then release even if 15th is a big jump and 8000 series is behind the x3d cpus will trade blows and still be a bonus for AM5 owners !!
drop ZEN 6 at 16th then both at new socket time !!
 
In fact, it seems very likely that Intel will not release a new motherboard chipset generation this time around, which will make the current generation 700 series chipset motherboards the primary and only platform for Raptor Lake Refresh if true.
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Isn't the 14th Gen also supposed to be supported by the 600 series chipsets?
 
Ogotai said:
so the 13700k or other intel cpus, and amds cpus arent good enough for those that need to buy a pc this year ?

yea ok sure...............
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I'm sorry, I thought that this first part would make it clear that I'm talking about OEM customers and not about fans and enthusiasts that would build an system by themselves, I guess even an explanation for five year olds isn't clear enough for you.
"New year new customers for all the OEMs,
this isn't for fans or enthusiasts, "
 
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14700k will be the new 5800x3d last hurrah for a dead platform ..
Intel nerds can slap the 14700k get some decent gains till 15th and a new platform !

Other wise id stick with AMD and its AM5 platform !!
 
So this confirms 14K series is a nothing burger and just a "keep OEMs and stockholders happy" thing.

Kinda sad the only SKU which will actually be somewhat of an improvement is the 14700K thanks to the extra CB-accelerators. I wonder how much the extra E-cores will penalize total power under load and the clocks.

I hope they at least come with lower price points, since they're (more or less) the same exact CPUs they're replacing. Exception being the i7, but it would be nice if it's same or lower MSRP.

Regards.
 
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As for the MSI content. They say that it’s 3% on average. So there are applications that benefit more... Going from 5.8GHz to 6GHz is 3.4% higher so it fits. But...
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Power/thermal constraints and memory limitations can reduce that 3.4% particularly if the node is the same as said in the article.
PCWarrior said:
...In any case the existence of the 14th gen is good as it will reduce prices on 13th gen...
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Totally agree. But from an Intel's product development costs POV I really cannot understand.
 
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TerryLaze said:
I guess even an explanation for five year olds isn't clear enough for you.
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It would certainly help, if you'd used more words. Punctuation can also improve communication.

TerryLaze said:
New year new customers for all the OEMs,
this isn't for fans or enthusiasts, this is for people that need to buy a PC this year.
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So, I'm trying to understand exactly what you are saying.

Are you saying that OEMs (Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc.) need to be able to sell 2024 model year desktops as having a Gen 14 CPU? So, it's essentially a renaming exercise being undertaken to humor them? That it's just to humor people who need to buy a PC in that timeframe, so that they don't feel like they're getting a 2023 model year machine?

And furthermore, that enthusiasts should essentially ignore Raptor-Refresh?
 
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Tom Sunday said:
The 14th-gen Meteor Lake CPU’s (all new LGA 2551 Z890 MB socket) seems now to be 6-8 months away?
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Uh... I didn't think so. Isn't Meteor Lake-S cancelled? And the new desktop socket will be introduced along side Arrow Lake-S? I think Arrow Lake shouldn't launch for at least a year.

Tom Sunday said:
I wonder what they will bring to the party as to performance. Perhaps another real life 2%-3%?
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According to leaks, Arrow Lake won't do much for single-threaded performance. Where it shows big gains is in multi-threaded performance, and I'd hazard a guess that's largely due to a new E-core design.

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Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...arrow-lake-cpu-performance-projections-leaked
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The way to read that graph is that single-thread will improve by 4% to 8% over i9-13900K for integer and 2% to 6% for floating point workloads. However, for multi-threaded, the improvement will be 11% to 15% (integer) and 17% to 21% (float).

The main explanations would seem to be that all-core boost clocks are much improved, on the Intel 20A node, that the E-cores are a lot better, or some combination of the two. Other contributing factors include more cache and faster memory.
 
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XxDarkMario20xX said:
14900k is kinda like 11900k when they brought it out not mcuh diffrence between the last gen
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Are we talking about performance or implementation? The i9-11900K (Rocket Lake) was a new microarchitecture, compared to the i9-10900K (Comet Lake). Rocket Lake was basically a 14 nm back-port of Ice Lake (10 nm), whereas Comet Lake was just another refresh on the old Skylake design + more cores.

So, the implementation difference was substantial, as well as the die sizes, as you can see here:

Performance-wise, the difference wasn't as much, especially for heavily-threaded apps, where Comet Lake i9's 25% more cores could often more than compensate their individual deficiencies.

I think the better analogy, here, would be the i7-4770K vs. i7-4790K (i.e. Haswell vs. Haswell Refresh).
 
Ogotai said:
wow, nice personal attack terrylaze.

further, where does it state its for oems only ? or is this100% speculation from you ?
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Yes everything in this forum is 100% speculation and or opinion unless they also provide a link that proves what they are saying.
James suggested that these are for fans and I answered with my opinion on the matter, that these are for OEMs to have a new product and for people to be able to buy something new.
bit_user said:
It would certainly help, if you'd used more words. Punctuation can also improve communication.
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So can reading what somebody responded to instead of just taking it out of context.
bit_user said:
So, I'm trying to understand exactly what you are saying.

Are you saying that OEMs (Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc.) need to be able to sell 2024 model year desktops as having a Gen 14 CPU? So, it's essentially a renaming exercise being undertaken to humor them? That it's just to humor people who need to buy a PC in that timeframe, so that they don't feel like they're getting a 2023 model year machine?

And furthermore, that enthusiasts should essentially ignore Raptor-Refresh?
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OEMs don't NEED it but they sure as heck like it.
It is not just a renaming since the refresh does have higher clocks due to refinements.
Anybody that needs to buy a new PC around that time, if it happens to be an enthusiast or not.
 
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