[SOLVED] MSI B360-A Pro + i5-9600KF + Arctic Freezer 34 eSports Duo

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Would it be reasonable to team the components in the title up? Other components in the build will be 2x16 GB of Vengeance LPX RAM, Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB and a GXT 1080 Ti, which I plan to replace with an equivalent card once Ampere is released. The case will probably be the Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital in its stock configuration (not that I care about RGB, but it comes with 3 apparently nice fans). I am not super interested in overclocking the CPU. I was actually aiming at an i5-9400F, but since the i5-9600KF is "only" 25% more expensive (in the Netherlands) while having 14% more performance according to cpu.userbenchmark.com, I thought it might be worth to consider it. Now, my concerns are if the MSI B360-A Pro will be able to handle the CPU at stock turbo without overheating the VRM or throttling the CPU, and if the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports Duo will keep the CPU (and maybe the VRM) well cooled while not being too noisy.

From this video, www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GSoaRsuke4, it seems that the eSports Duo is a good budget cooler and can cope with high loads better than similarly priced or even more expensive alternatives, although I have found some contradictory numbers at https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9055/arctic-freezer-34-esports-duo-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html, so I would be willing to spend a bit more on the cooler if necessary and maybe go for a Scythe Fuma 2, which is about 10 euros more expensive and a better performer in both temperatures and noise according to https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9223/scythe-fuma-2-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html. Regarding the motherboard, from www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1dHa2F3fvw, the MSI B360 Gaming Plus is able to handle the i7-8700 well, and the MSI B360-A Pro looks quite similar but without RGB and maybe other "gaming features", so I guess it would be able to handle the i5-9600KF, which is supposed to have a similar TDP. Unfortunately, the temperatures of the CPU and VRM are not mentioned in the video and they seem to be using an open test bench. So, I would like to know your opinions about my setup or your experiences if you have used (any of) these components. My main activities will be data science (probably on Linux and probably similar to gaming in the sense that the CPU has to prepare data for the GPU to crunch) and rendering (probably on Windows and with Daz Studio, but I may add other software later).

As you can see, I would like to optimize my budget; however, if it is necessary to spend a bit more to get a reliable configuration, I would be wiling to do it. For example, I have also been looking at the Z390 motherboard line, and the Gigabyte Z390 Gaming SLI seems to be a good option with a VRM that doesn't get too hot and allows some overclocking according to https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cheap-z390-motherboards-compared,6090.html, although I have also read that (some) Gigabyte BIOSes do weird things like changing their settings on their own or even not throttling when they should (www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZcqw-K1drY). Do you know if that is the case with the Gaming SLI?
 
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Would it be reasonable to team the components in the title up? Other components in the build will be 2x16 GB of Vengeance LPX RAM, Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB and a GXT 1080 Ti, which I plan to replace with an equivalent card once Ampere is released. The case will probably be the Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital in its stock configuration (not that I care about RGB, but it comes with 3 apparently nice fans). I am not super interested in overclocking the CPU. I was actually aiming at an i5-9400F, but since the i5-9600KF is "only" 25% more expensive (in the Netherlands) while having 14% more performance according to cpu.userbenchmark.com, I thought it might be worth to consider it. Now, my concerns are if the MSI B360-A Pro will be able...
Would it be reasonable to team the components in the title up? Other components in the build will be 2x16 GB of Vengeance LPX RAM, Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB and a GXT 1080 Ti, which I plan to replace with an equivalent card once Ampere is released. The case will probably be the Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital in its stock configuration (not that I care about RGB, but it comes with 3 apparently nice fans). I am not super interested in overclocking the CPU. I was actually aiming at an i5-9400F, but since the i5-9600KF is "only" 25% more expensive (in the Netherlands) while having 14% more performance according to cpu.userbenchmark.com, I thought it might be worth to consider it. Now, my concerns are if the MSI B360-A Pro will be able to handle the CPU at stock turbo without overheating the VRM or throttling the CPU, and if the Arctic Freezer 34 eSports Duo will keep the CPU (and maybe the VRM) well cooled while not being too noisy.

From this video, www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GSoaRsuke4, it seems that the eSports Duo is a good budget cooler and can cope with high loads better than similarly priced or even more expensive alternatives, although I have found some contradictory numbers at https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9055/arctic-freezer-34-esports-duo-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html, so I would be willing to spend a bit more on the cooler if necessary and maybe go for a Scythe Fuma 2, which is about 10 euros more expensive and a better performer in both temperatures and noise according to https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9223/scythe-fuma-2-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html. Regarding the motherboard, from www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1dHa2F3fvw, the MSI B360 Gaming Plus is able to handle the i7-8700 well, and the MSI B360-A Pro looks quite similar but without RGB and maybe other "gaming features", so I guess it would be able to handle the i5-9600KF, which is supposed to have a similar TDP. Unfortunately, the temperatures of the CPU and VRM are not mentioned in the video and they seem to be using an open test bench. So, I would like to know your opinions about my setup or your experiences if you have used (any of) these components. My main activities will be data science (probably on Linux and probably similar to gaming in the sense that the CPU has to prepare data for the GPU to crunch) and rendering (probably on Windows and with Daz Studio, but I may add other software later).

As you can see, I would like to optimize my budget; however, if it is necessary to spend a bit more to get a reliable configuration, I would be wiling to do it. For example, I have also been looking at the Z390 motherboard line, and the Gigabyte Z390 Gaming SLI seems to be a good option with a VRM that doesn't get too hot and allows some overclocking according to https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cheap-z390-motherboards-compared,6090.html, although I have also read that (some) Gigabyte BIOSes do weird things like changing their settings on their own or even not throttling when they should (www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZcqw-K1drY). Do you know if that is the case with the Gaming SLI?
Those components would be fine together. Tomshardware did a review of that cooler a while ago and it is their new midrange choice.

You can also look into doing a build like this that will have equal performance, but be a fair amount cheaper.
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€169.00 @ CD-ROM-LAND)
Motherboard: MSI X470 GAMING PLUS MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (€115.00 @ Azerty)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€189.85 @ Azerty)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€89.85 @ Megekko)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€119.00 @ Azerty)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case (€91.99 @ Azerty)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€94.99 @ Azerty)
Total: €869.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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The Ryzen comes with a cooler that is good enough if you aren't going to overclock. It might be a little loud, but you could add that same HSF and it will be quite quite.
The 8200 Pro SSD is basically equal to the 970 EVO Plus, but the savings between it and the CPU make is such that you can have a separate 1TB SSD for games.
 
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Those components would be fine together. Tomshardware did a review of that cooler a while ago and it is their new midrange choice.

You can also look into doing a build like this that will have equal performance, but be a fair amount cheaper.
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€169.00 @ CD-ROM-LAND)
Motherboard: MSI X470 GAMING PLUS MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (€115.00 @ Azerty)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€189.85 @ Azerty)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€89.85 @ Megekko)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€119.00 @ Azerty)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case (€91.99 @ Azerty)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€94.99 @ Azerty)
Total: €869.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-19 22:01 CET+0100


The Ryzen comes with a cooler that is good enough if you aren't going to overclock. It might be a little loud, but you could add that same HSF and it will be quite quite.
The 8200 Pro SSD is basically equal to the 970 EVO Plus, but the savings between it and the CPU make is such that you can have a separate 1TB SSD for games.

Thanks, I will have a look at your suggestion.
 
From what I read on the web, it seems that the best value all-rounder mobo is the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max, but in www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGY2mqTn2rc it is said that the Mortar Max would be a better option as it has better I/O while retaining the same VRM; however, I notice that the top-center part of the Mortar Max does not have a heat sink. Do you know what is this heat sink for and if it would affect performance/VRM temperatures significantly?

Also, does RAM really need to be as fast as 3600 MHz? I read that Ryzen likes fast memory, but would it make a big difference if I go for, say, 3000 MHz?
 
From what I read on the web, it seems that the best value all-rounder mobo is the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max, but in www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGY2mqTn2rc it is said that the Mortar Max would be a better option as it has better I/O while retaining the same VRM; however, I notice that the top-center part of the Mortar Max does not have a heat sink. Do you know what is this heat sink for and if it would affect performance/VRM temperatures significantly?

Also, does RAM really need to be as fast as 3600 MHz? I read that Ryzen likes fast memory, but would it make a big difference if I go for, say, 3000 MHz?
I have no idea what that heatsink is for. The Tomahawk MAX is a great all around motherboard, I just suggested the other board since for 5 Euro you can get the X470 chipset instead of the B450. The two boards have basically the same power delivery system, which means good for a B450 but lower end for X470, however, that power delivery will be fine even with modest overclocking.

The RAM doesn't need to be 3600MHz, but I wouldn't go below 3200MHz. Rule of thumb is you should get at least the fastest official RAM speed a CPU accepts, and for Ryzen 3000 series that is 3200MHz. While there will be a performance increase going to 3600MHz, the increase is about 2% https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-3000-best-memory-timings,6310.html and as we can see the price increase is 15%.
PCPartPicker Part List

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (€164.00 @ Azerty)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€189.85 @ Azerty)
Total: €353.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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