Question MSI B450M doesnt want to accept R5 5600X untill bios update.

[MsiSux]

Hey, i've got upgrade for my MSI B450M Mortar Max, i had Ryzen 5 2600 which was just terrible atm, so i got Ryzen 5 5600X - CPU works fine passes ALL i mean ALL stress tests, 0 crashes, 0 BSOD's, problem is coming when iam trying to turn my PC at morning -> EZ CPU LED - fans to the max - cpu is not detected -
How i manage to fix it to use my computer further? - Flash bios to even same one -

My specs
RTX 2060
16GB RAM DDR4 3600MHZ A-DATA
Ryzen 5 5600X
MSI Mortar Max B450M
Modecom Carbon 620W PSU (i used him for i7-2600k on crazy 1.5v voltages in past, r5 2600 was working under 1.4v, and my ryzen 5 5600x has literally the same wat usage as oc'd 2600.
^ please dont miss it with basic modecom psu's this one is actually good since he has stable 12v/5.5v lines and never crashed on me.
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What i can do? iam already tired of flashing my bios over and over in regard to make my pc work....
do i need to get new motherboard instead?... the CPU is fine its passing all tests.... but its losing compatibility during night...

 

[Lutfij]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

i've got upgrade for my MSI B450M Mortar Max, i had Ryzen 5 2600 which was just terrible atm, so i got Ryzen 5 5600X
Did you flash the BIOS to the latest version prior to dropping in the Ryzen 5 5600x? Sorry, I meant what BIOS version are you on at this moment of time?

Modecom Carbon 620W PSU
you should chuck that in the bin and invest in a reliably built PSU with at least 550W of power for the entire system.

^ please dont miss it with basic modecom psu's this one is actually good since he has stable 12v/5.5v lines and never crashed on me.
You mean, this unit ?
Read this;

Is my MODECOM PSU any good ?

I've had Modecom Carbon 620W since I bought my PC, and I've upgraded a few parts, but I was wondering if this PSU can damage my other pc components? Intel i5-3570k @4.2GHz MSI GTX 970 Gaming G4 8GB DDR3 RAM

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[MsiSux]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

i've got upgrade for my MSI B450M Mortar Max, i had Ryzen 5 2600 which was just terrible atm, so i got Ryzen 5 5600X
Did you flash the BIOS to the latest version prior to dropping in the Ryzen 5 5600x? Sorry, I meant what BIOS version are you on at this moment of time?

Modecom Carbon 620W PSU
you should chuck that in the bin and invest in a reliably built PSU with at least 550W of power for the entire system.

^ please dont miss it with basic modecom psu's this one is actually good since he has stable 12v/5.5v lines and never crashed on me.
You mean, this unit ?
Read this;

Is my MODECOM PSU any good ?

I've had Modecom Carbon 620W since I bought my PC, and I've upgraded a few parts, but I was wondering if this PSU can damage my other pc components? Intel i5-3570k @4.2GHz MSI GTX 970 Gaming G4 8GB DDR3 RAM

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Hey, i will try spare PSU's then aswell, iam latest bios for my B450M Mortar Max, tried downgrading still happens each time i will leave my pc for 10 hours sleep, each time i need to re-update my bios even to the one iam actually using like > Cpu doesnt work > re-update bios > everything works fine again

 

[Unolocogringo]

Are you resetting bios to defaults BEFORE AND AFTER updating BIOS.
Very important when updating bios on Ryzen boards.
Also you need to Update chipset drivers with newer bios.
https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/b450

 

[MsiSux]

Are you resetting bios to defaults BEFORE AND AFTER updating BIOS.
Very important when updating bios on Ryzen boards.
Also you need to Update chipset drivers with newer bios.
https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/b450

Yes, BIOS is restarted to defaults, each time iam updating bios its reseted to defaults, restarting PC itself is all fine, unless i will leave pc turned off for 2-3 hours and its not detecting CPU anymore, windows clock is frozen on the date when PC was turned off

 

[DRagor]

Yes, BIOS is restarted to defaults, each time iam updating bios its reseted to defaults, restarting PC itself is all fine, unless i will leave pc turned off for 2-3 hours and its not detecting CPU anymore, windows clock is frozen on the date when PC was turned off

Start with replacing motherboard battery then

 

[MsiSux]

Start with replacing motherboard battery then

bought new one, updated bios to newest one again, installed new chip ryzen aswell, i will report back tomorrow after giving my PC a time to do the same error cause right now its "working" we will see tomorrow if this still have a effect

 

[MsiSux]

No effect, woke up No cpu detected again i need to put out cpu and flash bios with 2600 and put 5600x back in to make it work…

 

[DRagor]

No effect, woke up No cpu detected again i need to put out cpu and flash bios with 2600 and put 5600x back in to make it work…

Next in line of suspects is PSU. Try different unit. If that won't solve it then it would mean something's not right with motherboard.
Side question: when turning PC off for the night do you also turn off PSU (either directly or by shutting down power strip it is connected to)? If yes, try not doing so and see if that helps.

 

[MsiSux]

Next in line of suspects is PSU. Try different unit. If that won't solve it then it would mean something's not right with motherboard.
Side question: when turning PC off for the night do you also turn off PSU (either directly or by shutting down power strip it is connected to)? If yes, try not doing so and see if that helps.

Doubt its PSU my whole unit needs about 450w by psu calculator and real capacity off that carbon is 500, ill try my brotheres corsair, i dont turn off my pc by disconnecting power strip its connected during night, the question is why its losing compatibility each day

 

[DRagor]

Doubt its PSU my whole unit needs about 450w by psu calculator and real capacity off that carbon is 500, ill try my brotheres corsair, i dont turn off my pc by disconnecting power strip its connected during night, the question is why its losing compatibility each day

Sometimes PSU failure is such that when it works it works, but when you turn it off for a time long enough for capacitors to discharge strange things happen (it applies to motherboard as well btw). I'm suspecting this kind of problem. Test with brother's PSU and we'll proceed on what we find afterwards.

 

[MsiSux]

Gave him an silentium pc elementum e2 550w 80plus, same ez led error :|

 

[DRagor]

Gave him an silentium pc elementum e2 550w 80plus, same ez led error :|

But you swapped PSU after the night off? You have to do it before to have meaningful result.

 

[MsiSux]

But you swapped PSU after the night off? You have to do it before to have meaningful result.

I've just got it to work now, cmos reset/putting one stick of ram doesn't work at all, i needed to re-install bios TWO times in a row, after first time "EZ LED - CPU" second time - worked

its frustrating because i have no idea which part i need to get if its MOBO or PSU, i doubt its CPU since i tested it, still doubt its PSU and let me say why -

R5 5600X has same TDP usage as R5 2600, and my 2600 was overclocked on @4GHZ/1.4v meanwhile 56X uses 1.3 without PBO with PBO up to 1.4 MAX! (iam monitoring it via OCCT/HWMonitor) -
as i said no crashes, no bsods, no fails during gaming/stress testing/rendering huge files in sony vegas to determine problems
its just crazy its losing compatibility in few hours after power is drained, CMOS battery was def dead because time in windows wasn't frozen this time

Before i had my R5 2600 my brother complained that this board doesn't see his R5 3600 sometimes, but it worked fine on my R5 2600 <- somehow "supported" generation works, but forward supported generation is not instead of it its stuck on to base one no matter which bios iam using...

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Modecom Carbon 620W PSU (i used him for i7-2600k on crazy 1.5v voltages in past, r5 2600 was working under 1.4v, and my ryzen 5 5600x has literally the same wat usage as oc'd 2600.

You need to swap out that PSU asap! Smart like. Your reasoning for continuing with it is flawed. After all this time, being pushed, it's a matter of time before it goes, and a lucky coincidence it hasn't done already. Only now, knowing the history of it, I wouldn't have it any gaming rig.

 

[MsiSux]

You need to swap out that PSU asap! Smart like. Your reasoning for continuing with it is flawed. After all this time, being pushed, it's a matter of time before it goes, and a lucky coincidence it hasn't done already. Only now, knowing the history of it, I wouldn't have it any gaming rig.

I really would be scared to use that PSU but it never failed me at once during extreme OC always it has stable 12V/5V - no matter what - i had this PSU in my I7-2600K which TDP is 95W + Crazy overclock on to 4.5GHZ (i had really good i7-2600K) + DDR3 on 1.5v which should break this PSU apart in a moment even when i put RTX 2060 to my I7 it was all fine on 5v/12v - This isnt the "standard modecom" i was googling on polish forums if its from "black list" i even threw PSU apart to see if its real PSU or knock-off one.

Today was a weird day why? my PC booted without any issue, lets see how it will be tomorrow maybe MOBO settings were messed up cause i made whole MOBO + CMOS reset to default this time.

I KNOW! this PSU isnt HIGH quality, but it never failed me once since 2018 - this PSU has about 500W (said as 620) if this piece would burn my pc it would burn my old I7-2600K set-up on crazy overclock that i had, Yes i will change that PSU but i doubt that problem is coming from here, cause i dried power off my PC/Cleared CMOS put my sisters Silentium PC E2 80+ 550W - same issue, same ez led cpu lightning up. the only way of fixing it was re-flashing bios to same one, or downgrading to older one, even if i will put out rams its still complaining about CPU when it should complain RAM -> CPU or CPU/RAM its mainly focusing on CPU all the time, R5 5600X consumes less power than R5 2600 did with my old 2400MHZ rams.

Again, yes this PSU isnt the best thing but its far away from being "black-list PC burner" i've had terrible PSU's in the past, this one is just "fine" not good just fine, i never even had a power lose since 2018 - which should happen! yes i will get a new PSU.

 

[General_Cool]

Some power supply manufacturers don't certify their boards past 3-5 years, and as far as I know only EVGA certifies to 10 years. That junk you have in there right now doesn't even have a warranty from the short time of Googling I've just done. The fact that it has lasted 5 years is nothing short of a miracle. As soon as the new one arrives that thing needs to immediately go to ewaste hell.

 

[MsiSux]

Sometimes you guys dont want to see real problem i guess? when it comes to PSU its always like this, even if PSU wasnt and ISNT the problem.
Yes it was B450 mortar max problem, Nope it wasnt PSU -
Is it good PSU - No
is it dangerous psu that will damage anything? - No

-- You guys literally said : Get new PSU instead of MOBO to check the issue, right now i would be with new psu and broken mobo that has problem with new ryzen chips, i knew it has nothing to do with psu because he was working on "Standby" for 5 days to avoid "no cpu" problem.

Really, how come i need help and you guys doesnt want to see the real problem that mobo was but instead of it you will blame the PSU for mobo error.

and to be sure - i had most trash 350/450w "Black list" psu's that never burned anything than PSU itself on LGA 775/1155

 

[Unolocogringo]

Sometimes you guys dont want to see real problem i guess? when it comes to PSU its always like this, even if PSU wasnt and ISNT the problem.
Yes it was B450 mortar max problem, Nope it wasnt PSU -
Is it good PSU - No
is it dangerous psu that will damage anything? - No

-- You guys literally said : Get new PSU instead of MOBO to check the issue, right now i would be with new psu and broken mobo that has problem with new ryzen chips, i knew it has nothing to do with psu because he was working on "Standby" for 5 days to avoid "no cpu" problem.

Really, how come i need help and you guys doesnt want to see the real problem that mobo was but instead of it you will blame the PSU for mobo error.

and to be sure - i had most trash 350/450w "Black list" psu's that never burned anything than PSU itself on LGA 775/1155

Crappy power supplies kill components all of the time.
It is very possible that your power supply killed the motherboard.
And may kill your new motherboard/computer.

The choice is yours to use it or not. Seems like you are a gambling man.
Personally I like my components too much to power them with a power supply that will eventually damage/kill the components.

 

[MsiSux]

Crappy power supplies kill components all of the time.
It is very possible that your power supply killed the motherboard.
And may kill your new motherboard/computer.

The choice is yours to use it or not. Seems like you are a gambling man.
Personally I like my components too much to power them with a power supply that will eventually damage/kill the components.

i will get new PSU this will have to happen as i will want to overclock my system, but for god sake guys, when its MOBO problem i have to change motherboard not the PSU, i know its BAD PSU but even worst psu's i ever had never destroyed anything than psu itself as i said.

How it killed motherboard? Ryzen 5 2600 was working and is still working on this motherboard, the problem is in bios chip i believe. Ryzen 5 2600 was working fine like a charm and never did the "NO CPU" error! as i said 2600/5600x has same TDP which means its not PSU Failure!

 

[Deleted member 2969713]

I have noticed that this forum has an unusual fixation on PSUs, almost to the point that it gives the impression that if you don't have the highest end PSU possible, or if your PSU is a few years old, you've strapped a ticking time bomb to your system. Perhaps a lot of members here have personally had their systems fried by cheap PSUs? Who knows?

 

[MsiSux]

I have noticed that this forum has an unusual fixation on PSUs, almost to the point that it gives the impression that if you don't have the highest end PSU possible, or if your PSU is a few years old, you've strapped a ticking time bomb to your system. Perhaps a lot of members here have personally had their systems fried by cheap PSUs? Who knows?

I Doubt they had situation like this cause they're using "High-end PSU" i've fried by my self few PSU's and it always ended up frying because GPU/CPU wanted more juices than PSU could provide (ending up frying)

Still, if i would bought new psu instead of mobo i would be with PC that can turn on one time per day without any restarts/shutdowns... This is just not right.