MSI Boards have bad capacitors T/f

[michel]

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rstlne wrote:

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> "RVi" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> news:2jlfgmF12e3sgU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> rstlne wrote:
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>> >
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>> > I was told by MSI that they never had this problem with any of their
> board
>> s.
>>
>> You have been misinformed even MSI have their own website forum and
>> plenty of questions have been asked and answered about the capacitor
>> problems.
>>
>
>
> MSI's website forum is not ran by MSI. It's ran by people who get
> discounts on kit.
> I was informed DIRECTLY by MSI over the phone that this WAS NOT an issue
> with any of their products. They made the same reply's to many other
> "tech sites" when the question was first brought forward.
>
> They also say they have a 3 year warranty on their motherboards but in the
> UK the warranty is void (because they dont have "or did not have" a rma
> system).
>
> Yes, I was misinformed but I was misinformed by MSI
I called MSI Netherlands and they send me capacitors for some bords.
Do you believe that they do this free !
They know about the problems with capacitors !!! but they refused to repair
my boards K7T series and send capacitors for free so i can do it by myself.

Michel

 

[Guest]

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I can definitely confirm that MSI boards are affected. My 815E Pro
(MS-6337) board recently started failing with all the classic
symptoms. I checked the board and replaced two TAYEH 1500uF, 10V
electro's which were obviously leaking and bulged and the board then
appeared to be okay. Only a week after replacing these two caps the
machine started playing up again. This time I ordered in sufficient
caps to replace all the TAYEH caps on the board.

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[Guest]

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Yes, the heat and wiggle technique does work when the capacitors are
separated or there is nothing mounted hard against them, and I have
used it myself. However, when you have a bank of 8 identical
capacitors slammed hard against one another in a 4 x 2 arrangement,
as well as other large components within a millimeter or two, it is
difficult to "wiggle in both directions while heating" as you need to
do to ease each terminal wire out a bit at a time. Also, it requires
that you balance the board in some manner while lining up the
soldering iron on the correct pin on one side of the board while
making sure you are wiggling the right capacitor on the other side.
Hardly what I would call a "high reliability" soldering technique for
multi-layer high density boards. It seems reasonable that if you have
a de-soldering station then you should use it. Of course if you
haven't got such a tool then you have to make do with what you have,
and make sure you do it very slowly and carefully. I have seen some
through holes really butchered by inexperienced people thus requiring
the use of through hole rivets to repair the damage. Hopefully the
ground and voltage rails are always on the outer layers.

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[Guest]

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Interesting......

Gateway used hundreds if not thousands of msi 6312 boards for their

"Essential Series" desktops. These were cute little desktops that
sold for $1600 to $2000.00.

I personally know of 13 machines that died because of failures on that
motherboard. I know exactly which chip you are talking about.

Keep me posted on Law suit !!!!!

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[James]

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PC Medic wrote:
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> "rstlne" <.@text.news.virgin.net> wrote in message
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> > "RVi" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> > > logized wrote:
>

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> I now use Asus exclusively in all our systems.
>
Heh.heh, ASUS! I bought one of their A7M266 motherboards a couple of
years ago. I didn't even have it a couple of weeks and the caps that
controll the fan ports on the motherboard went out. It is a good thing I
noticed something was wrong and turned off the computer right a way. The
AMD Athlon 1.400 cpu still works to this day, but the motherboard has
some minor problems. In all of the years I have been putting my own
computers together this was the first time I had problems with a
motherboard. I went to the ASUS news group and guess what... It is a
well known fact that ASUS was not using caps powerful enough to support
certain cpu cooling fans. This cap problem is not just a MSI thing. I
still consider this ASUS motherboard the worst I have ever had. I will
never buy another ASUS motherboard again!!!

jamess

 

[James]

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PC Medic wrote:
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>
> While I can not offer any informed information on whether they used these
> caps, I can tell you I have never had any problems with my Asus or Aopen
> boards.

Can't say about Aopen but ASUS has had the reputation in the past for
using bad caps. Read my other post.

jamess

 

[Rob]

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"PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in
news:B%LAc.137277$Yr.127124@okepread04:

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> "Larc" <larc-news@jupiterlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1906d0dd1o8b80uquo5gcdu4m76pdd4iqu@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:43:51 -0500, "Miller1236"
>> <Miller1236@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> | LOS ANGELES, June 1 (Reuters) - Micro-Star International Co. Ltd.
> (2377.TW:
>> | Quote, Profile, Research) , one of the world's top makers of
>> | computer motherboards, has been sued by a Vermont company seeking
>> | class-action
> status
>> | over claims that MSI's boards use a defective technology and are
>> | prone
> to
>> | fail.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> Does anybody know which motherboard manufacturers definitely DID NOT
>> use any of the faulty capacitors? Or any who definitely aren't using
>> them now? I'm thinking of replacing an MSI board and don't want that
>> worry.
>>
>
> While I can not offer any informed information on whether they used
> these caps, I can tell you I have never had any problems with my Asus
> or Aopen boards.
>
>
>
>

I have just repaired my 2 years old AOpen AX34-U motherboard. It had 8
bulging and leaking capacitors 1500uF 6.3V 105°C (Lelon)and 3 2200uF 6.3V
105°C (kze). I have replaced it with 8 1500uF 16V 105°C (J.d) and 3
2200uF 16V 105°C (J.d). Everything works fine now.

Before the AOpen I had a Abit VH6-II motherboard. 14 month after purchase
nearly al the capacitors (Jackcon) were bulging and leaking. I just
trashed it and bought the AOpen.

Rob

 

[vpw]

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"rherber1" <rherber1@bigpond.net-dot-au.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
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> I can definitely confirm that MSI boards are affected. My 815E Pro
> (MS-6337) board recently started failing with all the classic
> symptoms. I checked the board and replaced two TAYEH 1500uF, 10V
> electro's which were obviously leaking and bulged and the board then
> appeared to be okay. Only a week after replacing these two caps the
> machine started playing up again. This time I ordered in sufficient
> caps to replace all the TAYEH caps on the board.
>
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Just done changing 21 capacitors on my MSI K7D, it is a real shame as my
ancient ASUS P2BDS still runs without any hitches while this newer
motherboard failed on me after two years of use.