MSI gtx 970 VS 1050ti Gaming X

[gm-madi]

getting new gaming PC very soon for few games like WoW, CS, batlefield, GTA 5 etc ... got 2 brand new choices
1- i5 7400 / bad motherboard h110 / Msi gtx 970 gaming 4gb / 8gb RAM
2- ryzen 1600 / msi b350 gaming Plus / msi gtx 1050ti gaming X / 8gb RAM

to be honnest, i love ryzen (6 cores 12 threads, 70% CPU utilisation maximum in all modern games which is super future proof, same am4 socket untill 2020) but that MSI 970 made me think again and again.

glad to receive some help.

 

[vapour]

I will go with Ryzen build, may get you better FPS than the 1st build in games as long as you pick the right setting. You can easily upgrade GPU in the future if you feel 1050 ti can not satisfy you any more. 1050 ti can play any AAA games with decent FPS. Battlefield will love 6 cores. WOW and CS are single core but 1600 still can get ~80 for WOW and 300-400 for CS.

 

[ryzenlover2017]

Are those your only options because you could likely get a more balanced build with a slightly worse CPU maybe a 1400 or 1500 and a 1060... Unless you are doing more CPU intensive tasks than running games.

 

[jakubek160]

Build your own system. I have got ryzen 5 1600 with gtx 1080 and it is exelent. Way better than 4cores i5's that is for sure.

 

[gm-madi]

I will go with Ryzen build, may get you better FPS than the 1st build in games as long as you pick the right setting. You can easily upgrade GPU in the future if you feel 1050 ti can not satisfy you any more. 1050 ti can play any AAA games with decent FPS. Battlefield will love 6 cores. WOW and CS are single core but 1600 still can get ~80 for WOW and 300-400 for CS.

Are those your only options because you could likely get a more balanced build with a slightly worse CPU maybe a 1400 or 1500 and a 1060... Unless you are doing more CPU intensive tasks than running games.

i can downgrade to ryzen 1500x but that difference doesnt give enough room to upgrade the GPU, so guess am stuck with 1050ti for 2 years, and its cool for the few games i want to play

 

[gm-madi]

Build your own system. I have got ryzen 5 1600 with gtx 1080 and it is exelent. Way better than 4cores i5's that is for sure.

ryzen iss great, but the 1080 price is equal to the whole RIG in my country

 

[jakubek160]

Get ryzen 5 1600 and gtx 1050 ti , but personally I would find the money for gtx 1060 6gb to be ohnest man. If you just simply can't do it , take gtx 1050 ti and then replace it in a year or something.

 

[ryzenlover2017]

I would go for the 1400 and a 1060 3gb. That combo would be about the same price as you can get a 1060 for 180.

 

[gm-madi]

i think i have the final decision, Ryzen 1600 idea is locked ( 6 cores will last at least for 4 years same as 4 cores lasted for 5 years from 2012) so i have to go for 1050ti for now which is enough for my needs so why spending more for something i would not use.
emotionally i want the 1080 or 1060 at least like everyone but wisdom in reality is a good friend.

 

[maxalge]

i think i have the final decision, Ryzen 1600 idea is locked ( 6 cores will last at least for 4 years same as 4 cores lasted for 5 years from 2012) so i have to go for 1050ti for now which is enough for my needs so why spending more for something i would not use.
emotionally i want the 1080 or 1060 at least like everyone but wisdom in reality is a good friend.

how much is a 1600 vs a i5 8400 where you live?


a 1600 is no more "future proof" than the 8350 was when it released

 

[maxalge]

~80 for WOW

while flying maybe


drops to 30 - 40 fps in raid situations

 

[vapour]

~80 for WOW

while flying maybe


drops to 30 - 40 fps in raid situations

Tell me if this is not the right raid you are talking about:

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irc_9Ixn9Lg"][/video]

 

[gm-madi]

i think i have the final decision, Ryzen 1600 idea is locked ( 6 cores will last at least for 4 years same as 4 cores lasted for 5 years from 2012) so i have to go for 1050ti for now which is enough for my needs so why spending more for something i would not use.
emotionally i want the 1080 or 1060 at least like everyone but wisdom in reality is a good friend.

how much is a 1600 vs a i5 8400 where you live?


a 1600 is no more "future proof" than the 8350 was when it released

we still dont have the 8th i5 yet in north Affrica continent, we got all ryzen + i7 8700k
the reason i pick ryzen 1600 over the 1500x is the core count, 6/8 cores will last for the next 4-5 years.

 

[gm-madi]

~80 for WOW

while flying maybe


drops to 30 - 40 fps in raid situations

Tell me if this is not the right raid you are talking about:

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irc_9Ixn9Lg"][/video]

is this your recording? the video didnt show config

 

[vapour]

is this your recording? the video didnt show config

Not mine, setting will not be max, but we are discussing CPU bound, setting doesn't matter for CPU.

 

[gm-madi]

i've seen a lot of records 1050ti is really good but ... some got 6 pin connector and some dont, i know its better to get 6pin 1050ti if willing to OC but my question is can both types hit the same OC evel 'safe'

 

[vapour]

i've seen a lot of records 1050ti is really good but ... some got 6 pin connector and some dont, i know its better to get 6pin 1050ti if willing to OC but my question is can both types hit the same OC evel 'safe'

Additional 6 pin usually will allow the card to OC faster, can you list a few you are considering?

 

[gm-madi]

MSI 1050ti gaming X ( this is the best in my mind but 10% expensive )
MSI OCV1
MSI 4G OC
Asus expedition
Asus strix 4G gaming ( not the 04G which is 6pin )

 

[vapour]

1050 ti OC can not bring up too many frames, I say go with MSI OCV1, MSI 4G OC or Asus Strix. Expedition is a no.

 

[ryzenlover2017]

I would say go for whatever is cheapest... The differences are mostly astethic with marginal performance and heat differences

 

[maxalge]

~80 for WOW

while flying maybe


drops to 30 - 40 fps in raid situations

Tell me if this is not the right raid you are talking about:

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irc_9Ixn9Lg"][/video]

you can clearly see what i said was true

when stuff starts hitting the fan it drops to ~30 - ~40 fps


with a i5 8400 you would never see below 60

 

[maxalge]

I would say go for whatever is cheapest... The differences are mostly astethic with marginal performance and heat differences

in 4k maybe you can hide the weakness of the cpu by sheer force of gpu bound scenario, this is far from the truth in cpu bound situations where the vast majority of online games squarely reside

the i5 8400, i5 8600k, or i7 8700k are well worth waiting for/saving for if you want the setup to last 4 - 5 years of great performance

 

[gm-madi]

to answer Maxalage and Ryzenlover

Ryzen 1600 and i5 8400 are almost same performance ( i've been diging for 3 months, even before i5 is out )
and 'almost' means the 8400 is slightly better 3-5% in 'some cases' and Ryzen vise versa, both are great but lets analyze a bit
the 8400 is much better when it comes to low pixels like 720p ( who needs that anymore in gaming ) but for 1080p the intel doesnt really 'kick ass' in term of price.
- the ryzen got double cores the i5 has. and again am4 will be supported untill 2020.
and the final thoughts, media prooved that Intel payed big stores to not provide public with new AMD components, must be a reason for that and seems to me that AMD is giving great components with adequate price, which made me kinda hate intel, each generation need a new motherboard and socket.

 

[maxalge]

the 8400 is much better when it comes to low pixels like 720p ( who needs that anymore in gaming ) .

do you understand why cpu's are benchmarked at low resolutions?

you cant hide behind gpu bound scenarios =)



the i5 8400 is stronger than a 4ghz ryzen, out the gate

you are NOT guaranteed 4ghz on ryzen



all of the people that bought a cheap b350 mobo with crappy VRM are going to be shut out in the cold with ryzen 2


am3/am3+ all over again



its madness buying ryzen for gaming right now, barring you live in a place where the price difference is wacked out vs a i5 8400

 

[ryzenlover2017]

Ryzen really is a great architecture for gaming, and will dominate in other tasks that take use of more cores. Sure at 720p it might be a bottleneck... But if you're gaming at that resolution, then you probably don't need more then a 950. Comparing it to am3 is uncalled for considering at that point it was still running on pile-driver which I wholeheartedly agree wasn't great after a year or two.