News MSI optimizes affordable Intel 800 mobos for China's first homegrown DDR5 memory chips

[Admin]

MSI recently launch several B860 motherboards with BIOS optimized for CXMT DDR5 memory.

MSI optimizes affordable Intel 800 mobos for China's first homegrown DDR5 memory chips : Read more

 

[OldAnalogWorld]

These modules consume more, have larger chips and higher latency, because Chinese factories are significantly inferior to Western companies in terms of technical processes. The same is with YMTC, which produces flash memory using increasingly outdated technical processes and tries to get by with all sorts of tricks. In the absence of comparable quality characteristics of their products, they have no choice but to dump, significantly reducing prices, but this only increases their market unprofitability and the demand for endless subsidies from the CPC. And this is a road to nowhere, until they fundamentally reach the level of the West in technology, which is not even close. The CPC can only hope that their regime will generate advanced human capital that will surpass the West in intelligence and creativity. Because there will be more and more serious problems with poaching from the West...

I don't think that in such a social environment they will be able to get such a wide layer of talented people who are ready to work for them, and not trying to escape from there at the first opportunity...

 

[IBM296]

These modules consume more, have larger chips and higher latency, because Chinese factories are significantly inferior to Western companies in terms of technical processes. The same is with YMTC, which produces flash memory using increasingly outdated technical processes and tries to get by with all sorts of tricks. In the absence of comparable quality characteristics of their products, they have no choice but to dump, significantly reducing prices, but this only increases their market unprofitability and the demand for endless subsidies from the CPC. And this is a road to nowhere, until they fundamentally reach the level of the West in technology, which is not even close. The CPC can only hope that their regime will generate advanced human capital that will surpass the West in intelligence and creativity. Because there will be more and more serious problems with poaching from the West...

I don't think that in such a social environment they will be able to get such a wide layer of talented people who are ready to work for them, and not trying to escape from there at the first opportunity...

Man people still have these idiotic ideas that in the long term China won't succeed lol. The release of DeepSeek R1 should now teach us that it's only a matter of time before China achieves parity with the West.

The way Intel and Samsung foundries are floundering at the moment, YMTC, CXMT, SMIC and Huawei will have all caught up by 2030.

 

[rluker5]

If these can maintain jedec speeds and timings they might make their way into OEM prebuilts.

 

[YSCCC]

Man people still have these idiotic ideas that in the long term China won't succeed lol. The release of DeepSeek R1 should now teach us that it's only a matter of time before China achieves parity with the West.

The way Intel and Samsung foundries are floundering at the moment, YMTC, CXMT, SMIC and Huawei will have all caught up by 2030.

As someone who knows some chinese local they arn't optimistic either, propaganda nature within just outright rules out those who are dedicated on the fundamentals on tech development and promotes those who do copying, and in general they are way less caring about say, real dust free rooms for the fabs... It doesn't help they need to report success and success only to the upper mangements and leaders to do all those promotion, this makes them less vigorous in QC, see reliability issues in YMTC for example.

 

[setx]

It doesn't help they need to report success and success only to the upper mangements and leaders to do all those promotion, this makes them less vigorous in QC, see reliability issues in YMTC for example.

Wow, it's totally different to western companies like, uhm, Intel...

These modules consume more

Is it significantly more or insignificantly? By desktop scale.

have larger chips

So big that they won't fit in your computes case?

and higher latency

So high that it doesn't comply to JEDEC?

because Chinese factories are significantly inferior to Western companies in terms of technical processes

And Western companies are significantly inferior to Eastern companies in terms of technical processes and memory quality/quantity: Micron is clearly the worst compared to Hynix/Samsung for DDR5.

 

[YSCCC]

Wow, it's totally different to western companies like, uhm, Intel...

It is completely different to Intel... Intel while stagnated for quite a while and rushed the QC so that their reputation is down, they have to bear the consequences, there are reasons why all those years of "sudden breakthroughs" which "china will overtake in a few years" had no follow up after the initial launch and a decade passed...

 

[setx]

It is completely different to Intel... Intel while stagnated for quite a while and rushed the QC

It's not as different as you think. Intel hasn't suddenly "rushed the QC" – they deliberately cut the QC several years ago and it wasn't even a secret: there was clear information from their (past) workers on forums. So their current situation is fully deserved and caused by short-sightedness.

As for "they have to bear the consequences", which consequences exactly? They didn't recall clearly defective hardware, they lost just few % in server market despite offering inferior and overpriced hardware for years now, and their manufacturing money troubles seems to be going to be covered by government money. So, what are they going to "bear"?

As for "china will overtake in a few years" claims, were they even made by Chinese companies for international markets? I think China only claimed to become self-sufficient and they are clearly moving towards that goal.

 

[YSCCC]

It's not as different as you think. Intel hasn't suddenly "rushed the QC" – they deliberately cut the QC several years ago and it wasn't even a secret: there was clear information from their (past) workers on forums. So their current situation is fully deserved and caused by short-sightedness.

As for "they have to bear the consequences", which consequences exactly? They didn't recall clearly defective hardware, they lost just few % in server market despite offering inferior and overpriced hardware for years now, and their manufacturing money troubles seems to be going to be covered by government money. So, what are they going to "bear"?

As for "china will overtake in a few years" claims, were they even made by Chinese companies for international markets? I think China only claimed to become self-sufficient and they are clearly moving towards that goal.

Intel have their ARL sales tanked hard, most from small companies due to the RPL disaster, so... those are the consequences, and as a result, zen 5 sold like hotacakes... if that isn't counted as consequences, I don't know what is

for the "china will overtake in a few years" claims, in chinese media, it's literally everywhere every week, hwawei, home grown CPU chips, ram chips, NAND.... they just don't honor warranty or basic reputation, YMTC NAND have and still is disasterous and almost killed ADATA SSD brand in the Asia market.

 

[setx]

Intel have their ARL sales tanked hard, most from small companies due to the RPL disaster, so... those are the consequences, and as a result, zen 5 sold like hotacakes... if that isn't counted as consequences, I don't know what is

How are those significant consequences? Does Intel face bankruptcy? Is company going to split up? Did they lose a lot of market share? Is most of upper management radically changed? Nothing...

for the "china will overtake in a few years" claims, in chinese media...

I feel that there are more such claims in non-Chinese media, lol. How else would Intel & co justify all the money they are going to get?

 

[OldAnalogWorld]

How are those significant consequences? Does Intel face bankruptcy? Is company going to split up? Did they lose a lot of market share? Is most of upper management radically changed? Nothing...

Intel is already technically bankrupt. Only non-market subsidies will continue to keep them afloat and the need for the US to have its own most advanced semiconductor production on the planet is a geopolitical lever of influence on the entire planet, since the management of TSMC (and Taiwan) is not eager to build factories with the most advanced technological processes on US territory in a normal instinct for self-preservation, no matter how much pressure the US authorities put on them and no matter how much the CPC's thirst to get its hands on this island (which even the US officially recognizes as Chinese territory) presses.
Intel has lost its human capital. It is very difficult to gain it back in the required critical quantity. But if they manage to complete what they started, the departure from non-market practices will be extremely difficult with many unfavorable consequences...

The Chinese will continue to try to develop their technologies under sanctions - and what else can they do, as a more advanced and large successor to the USSR? But their aspirations have already run into the same problems - the impossibility of finding human capital of the required level in China and getting it from somewhere else. And the education system in a totalitarian country can never provide such a wide layer of people with such abilities. Suppression of initiative and creativity from kindergarten, deliberate suppression of pluralism of opinions, critical thinking, leads to an intellectual dead end in adulthood...

 

[YSCCC]

How are those significant consequences? Does Intel face bankruptcy? Is company going to split up? Did they lose a lot of market share? Is most of upper management radically changed? Nothing...

1) Intel have their CEO "early retired", and a lot of fired engineers, that is pretty radical change, and if they don't change radically, prepare for more down turn

I feel that there are more such claims in non-Chinese media, lol. How else would Intel & co justify all the money they are going to get?

Nope, you just don't get into the propanganda, try read the CN media, maybe with translation, or follow some propangada X (twitter) account for a glimpse, they literally overtake USA every day and the other in all those reports, I recall like when advanced fab tools are banned from selling in chinaa or so, they even announced that a 70 year old lady single handily lead a team of less than 10 ppl successfully cracked sub 7nm process, with the aid of some crazy talented granny able to manually cut nm scale stuffs...