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Pricing? "Unknown" at the moment? We all know what the pricing will be:

MSRP: Infinity
Actual price: MSRP + 1.

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These are going to be great 1080p cards when they actually become available to buy in 2 years. Unless the developers start downgrading the graphics to the level of the gpus that people can actually afford with the new status quo. Oh boy I can't wait for a triple fan gt 1030.
 

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I wonder how long before they stop publishing a MSRP? As it is getting to be meaningless, and show how GREEDY some stores are. Lets face it they have no incentive to sell any item at a lower price,
 

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So for gamers, MSI is using plastic backplate for the last 4 months since the card was released. When miners are the main ones buying up all the GPUs out there, MSI suddenly releases a version with metal backplate? :cautious:
 

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I wonder how long before they stop publishing a MSRP? As it is getting to be meaningless, and show how GREEDY some stores are. Lets face it they have no incentive to sell any item at a lower price,
Thats the exact point of an MSRP, to show you if a retailer is charging a premium that the manufacturer does not think is reasonable.
It shows you who, between the retailer and manufacturer, is charging you too much.
 
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These are going to be great 1080p cards when they actually become available to buy in 2 years.
They're a bit too power hungry to be "great", but the price will be right when all the 2nd hand ex-mining cards flood the market...

I wonder how long before they stop publishing a MSRP? As it is getting to be meaningless, ...
Thats the exact point of an MSRP, to show you if a retailer is charging a premium that the manufacturer does not think is reasonable.
The problem right now is that the MSRP is by no means "reasonable".
  • Nvidia's MSRPs are at or below the production cost of the cards.
  • AMD's MSRPs can maybe provide some minor profit margin to the retailer. (In Sweden the typical wholesale price is above MSRP.)
  • Based on the limited supply of cards all MSRP is way off in terms of modifying the demand to meet the supply.
 
So for gamers, MSI is using plastic backplate for the last 4 months since the card was released. When miners are the main ones buying up all the GPUs out there, MSI suddenly releases a version with metal backplate? :cautious:
I expect it is to add an additional heatspreader for the GDDR6X which gets unacceptably hot when mining but is fine under gaming loads.
 

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In Sweden the typical wholesale price is above MSRP
Sweden's minimum wage : low balling 2500 euros
Portugal's minimum wage : 600 euros

Same MRSP. Fair and honest. And there are worst cases probably involving Denmark.

Publishing the same MRSP for everyone in the world as if they have the same funds available is just dumb and insulting, it's the eternal run to grab the carrot that is in front of your noose but in fact it is always out of reach.
 

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Publishing the same MRSP for everyone in the world as if they have the same funds available is just dumb and insulting, ...
Reasonably speaking: When setting a price, should affordability at a specific location be a more important factor than the actual costs?
These graphics cards are produced in one factory and then shipped worldwide. Variations in cost depends on shipping rates and the costs of running wholesaler and retailer at the location. If anything it's just as likely that the cost of selling a card in a shop located in a small Sudanese town is just as high as selling it in a down town Manhattan shop, so a similar retail price (before taxes) should apply.
 

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Reasonably speaking: When setting a price, should affordability at a specific location be a more important factor than the actual costs?
And that is why people die of hunger, have no medice and rely on external help. When you set prices based on maximizing profit you will have 3 groups : 1 group has a cheap product, 1 group has the MRSP product and the last group gets the shaft.

But sure lets ignore that the guy in Manhattan can afford to pay the extra tax and transport and it will still be a fraction of his income when compared to the Sudanese buyer.

Basically you sell goods for the same price for rich and poor countries or country groups included even for goods people need to survive and that is before tax or transport cost the price is already out of reach.
 

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@blacknemesist
You're comparing apples to oranges here. What it typically looks like in reality is that essentials like food and fuel is low cost in low income countries, because these products are domestically produced and/or subsidised by the local government. On the other hand electronics like computers cost more than they do in high income countries, due to several factors, making these products even less attainable for the average citizen.
 

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@blacknemesist
You're comparing apples to oranges here. What it typically looks like in reality is that essentials like food and fuel is low cost in low income countries, because these products are domestically produced and/or subsidised by the local government. On the other hand electronics like computers cost more than they do in high income countries, due to several factors, making these products even less attainable for the average citizen.
And yet these were attainable at decent prices on gen 6xx, 9xx and before. 1xxx, 2xxx and 3xxxx have seen prices skyrocket with no reason other than they can still run away with it due to credit banking being at low rates(talking about normal prices under normal circunstances).
The 3070s started at about ~600 euros, 3080s ~800 euros and 3090s at ~1400 euros. Back in the 6xx a 690 didn't cost 1400 euros. For the 2xxx same thing, even with the price drop from the super edition, the normal non-super were way over 50% price increase.
Again, banking credit for these products gives you 6x with only process fees so retailers can jackup prices, people will just take a loan.

Also, most of the country's riches are sold to high paying countries for high profit margin and heavily taxed on the country to make up for the import. Maybe you governament isn't as corrupt/pathetic as mine.
 
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