News MSI shows off cable-free panoramic PC at CES 2025 — Project Zero X uses radical orientation for GPU and motherboard

No ATX form factor?

Bad idea. Very bad idea. Next thing you know you're going to see every manufacturer having their own motherboard type, every case manufacturer will only cater to the big manufacturers, and then the build your own PC will finally be destroyed.

This is a move in the opposite direction. Terrible for the customer.
 
And they could eliminate the PCIe riser cable by adding a PCIe slot to the side of the board
That's actually something I have been thinking would be cool. Not the orientation MSI has it here. But if the PCIe x16 slot was on the bottom edge of a mITX, then the GPU could connect edge-to-edge with the motherboard and give a larger full sized system with the CPU and GPU on the same plane. Would allow larger and taller tower style heat sinks on GPUs.
 
No ATX form factor?

Bad idea. Very bad idea. Next thing you know you're going to see every manufacturer having their own motherboard type, every case manufacturer will only cater to the big manufacturers, and then the build your own PC will finally be destroyed.

This is a move in the opposite direction. Terrible for the customer.
This isn't that different from the new ATX BTF connectors that have been popping up recently. MSI did it, then Asus and other followed. This is just a prototype to see whether this is something that customers want, and if it is then manufacturers will adapt it.

It' pretty cool, but I don't think the bottom case fans will be enough airflow for when the GPU really gets going.
 
Computers are utilitarian by design, and to switch to personal aesthetic design... It's like Activision Bro's creating a Wall Street Bro's culture.

But then again, Activision somehow is continuously enabled by consumers, so maybe a lot of these losers dream about participating in bro culture.

I don't think this prototype is a good sign for PC hardware manufacturers.
 
No ATX form factor?

Bad idea. Very bad idea. Next thing you know you're going to see every manufacturer having their own motherboard type, every case manufacturer will only cater to the big manufacturers, and then the build your own PC will finally be destroyed.

This is a move in the opposite direction. Terrible for the customer.
I strongly disagree. At three decades, the ATX form factor is so long in the tooth, it's downright laughable.

I am all for manufacturers such as MSI, Asus, etc. creating new form factors, and reigniting innovation in PC design that is SERIOUSLY LONG overdue, this time with as few cables as possible.
 
MSI’s new Project Zero X PC puts the graphics card and motherboard side by side, and somehow moves both parts’ I/O ports to the back of the case.

MSI shows off cable-free panoramic PC at CES 2025 — Project Zero X uses radical orientation for GPU and motherboard : Read more
Overall, I like it... a LOT.

I especially LOVE the idea of removing the rear ports from the mobo entirely. I assume they have put some sort of connector on the back of the mobo to extend them to a standardized connector plate, Looksl ike the power connector and PCI are on the back as well.

The two things I am NOT impressed with are the GPU card with it's standard port arrangement and the water cooling hoses. I would have designed some sort of cleaner water cooling for both the GPU and the CPU, which takes the connectors to the edge or the the back, respectively.

As MSI makes both mobos and GPU cards, they should have make a project zero GPU card design standard as well, with no edge connectors, and no backplane connectors, instead putting them both on the back of the GPU card. GOing further, I don't understand why GPU cards still all include air coolers. They could easily develop a GPU/VRAM placement standard for after market air and liquid cooling.
 
I strongly disagree. At three decades, the ATX form factor is so long in the tooth, it's downright laughable.

I am all for manufacturers such as MSI, Asus, etc. creating new form factors, and reigniting innovation in PC design that is SERIOUSLY LONG overdue, this time with as few cables as possible.
That exists today. They're called laptops.

Since there is no *TX form factor in laptops there is no standardization, and that leaves all of us stuck at the mercy of being forced to by some junk clam from some provider instead of being able to buy a laptop case from Lian Li or Inwin, a laptop motherboard from Asus, memory from Crucial, a power supply from Seasonic, and a Samsung laptop monitor that fits in the screen housing of the InWin laptop case. (BECAUSE: If the motherboards were standardized, that would then force a standardization of laptop monitor sizes and internal laptop monitor plugs)

You are advocating the actual death of the build your own PC. None of this exists without a standardized form factor and the laptop is proof of it. There isnt any reason for Fractal Designs to create laptop cases - none at all. The popularity of laptops is NOT enough. There must be a motherboard standard.

Just go buy a pre-built from Puget or Falcon or HP and leave us alone. We like building our own machines using parts from 18 different providers.

A standardized motherboard also does not exist for tablets - which sadly also prevents build your own. Good luck buying your own tablet case from NZXT or Crucial!
 
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That exists today. They're called laptops.
That logic is inherently broken. Laptops are designed to be compact, lightweight, and have been continually pushing boundaries, which is only possible by NOT being standardized.

Since there is no *TX form factor in laptops there is no standardization, and that leaves all of us stuck at the mercy of being forced to by some junk clam from some provider instead of being able to buy a laptop case from Lian Li or Inwin, a laptop motherboard from Asus, memory from Crucial, a power supply from Seasonic, and a Samsung laptop monitor that fits in the screen housing of the InWin laptop case. (BECAUSE: If the motherboards were standardized, that would then force a standardization of laptop monitor sizes and internal laptop monitor plugs)
I do not own, nor do I desire to own, a laptop computer, so I could care less, and my reasons have NOTHING at all to do with standardization, and everything to do with form factor and performance.

Incidentally, why are you putting an asterisk in place of the A? The original PC standard was called AT, which comes from the IBM PC/AT. X merely stands for extended, and was introduced in 1995. I remember it fondly, as I was VERY sick of the problems that the PC ATs had, which caused me many headaches as I was trying to make things work that weren't necessarily intended to.

You are advocating the actual death of the build your own PC. None of this exists without a standardized form factor and the laptop is proof of it. There isnt any reason for Fractal Designs to create laptop cases - none at all. The popularity of laptops is NOT enough. There must be a motherboard standard.
That's absurd. I never said eliminate ATX. I am advocating for newer standards to compete with ATX, and ultimately supplant it, but still be built around components, and interconnects.

Just go buy a pre-built from Puget or Falcon or HP and leave us alone. We like building our own machines using parts from 18 different providers.
I have not purchased a pre-built PC since a Compaq in 1987. IN the intervening years, I have built probably 30 PCs for personal use. I have had laptops, but they were all for business purposes. All my personal PCs were desktops, as I much prefer a large display, full-size keys, a proper mouse, etc.

A standardized motherboard also does not exist for tablets - which sadly also prevents build your own. Good luck buying your own tablet case from NZXT or Crucial!
I have no idea why you even assume everyone wants, let alone needs a laptop. I am retired now, after over three decades as a Computer Systems and Networking Engineer, and have absolutely NO desire to ever SEE, let alone USE a laptop.

You don't know me, my background, or anything, but with your condescending attitude, I feel like I know your type. In all likelihood, as I first got into personal computers as a hobby in 1977, when I was only 12, building a Heathkit H8, and didn't start my IT career for another decade, I have been doing this longer than you have been sucking air in your pie hole.

Anyhow, thanks for playing.
 
It is so pretty that I immediately want it.
But here is a life lesson. Few years ago I purchased beautiful
Geometric Future case. This thing is truly beautiful, and has
very convenient features. But looking back, I regret not
buying a more convenient, traditional case.
The main issue as I realized is that hot air can only exit
through a single 120mm fan vent on top. Compare it to mesh tops
a lot of cases have or even 140mm fans. My case is always fairly warm.
Another problem, the bottom of the case is so low that I am not sure it can suck enough air to lower temperature inside.
It is a very beautiful non-conventional case, but I new regret those convenient features making
a case more practical.