my blow hole success!

jihiggs

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well, i installed a 120 mm blow hole in the top of my case. i was worried that it wouldnt help too much, but boy i was wrong. it works way with the case all buttond up than with the side panels off! i need some higher cfm fans blowing in now. i have some crap fans i was using before but they dont move much air. i had to change the direction of both the fans to blow in. the back exhaust was making a terrible noise, it couldnt produce enough suction to blow air out, air was rushing in the oposite way of the fan! only thing i dont like, is that the fan on the back of my enermax psu doesnt seem to move any air now. but the thermal control on the psu fan keeps them turning at 1500 rpm so it cant be stressed.

i went to the tomshardware forums and all i got was this lousy signature.
 
hmm...you could fix the psu problem if you are worried. you could do some sort of duct work to isolate the psu from the rest of the case and have it draw air through from outside, and pump it outside. at least then, the air would be moving through the psu better. congrats on the 120mm fan...i know what you mean though about better cooling with the case all buttoned up. when i have my case open, it runs a little warmer than with the case together. just because the air is being actively moved with the sides on, as opposed to passively moving with the sides off. duct work, and sealing up holes also helps cooling a bit...because it will cause less cool air to escape, and help you be able to direct the airflow more.

-DAvid

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Let us know how you get on equalising the airflow. Be interesting to know if it's 2 x 80mm to 1 x 120mm or whatever.

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im considering getting a dimmer rheostat to change the speed of my ac fan, its louder than i thought when its actually being used. it takes a long time for it to slow down, i can feel it is still pushing a lot of air when i can no longer hear it.

i went to the tomshardware forums and all i got was this lousy signature.
 
it is an ac fan?
hmm...what fan is it?
and how did you wire it up?
it prolly doesnt matter since the fan isnt that big, and i doubt that the fan is pumping out much interference, but i know that when you use a box fan, which is AC, you are not supposed to put it too close to the computer because it puts out interference...which could cause problems with the computer. but like i said, it is probably ok...because of the relatively small size of the fan.

-DAvid

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its a brand called muffin, only 12 watts, 120 mm. doesnt seem to be causing any problems. i just ran the wire through a hole in the back of the case.

i went to the tomshardware forums and all i got was this lousy signature.
 
thats cool...
what made you choose that fan? high CFM? because i know that ac fans are able to move more air than dc fans...just more power...
you know what...i bet you could hook it up so that there is no extra wires coming out of the back of the case. but i dont know enough about that fan...
did you buy it online btw? if so, do you have a link to the store? i am just curious about the ac fans...would be interested in maybe getting one myself. maybe...


-DAvid

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the biggest deciding factor was, it was free lol. i was going to send a really old rack mount multi modem thing, the fan was in it so i snagged it. i wanted to find some specs on it so i did a search for the part number, i found one online for 70 bucks, turns out it was about 70 cfm

i went to the tomshardware forums and all i got was this lousy signature.
 
70 bucks...sheesh....
well, sounds like you got yourself quite a deal! hehe
but yeah...i have just heard that the ac fans are able to pump out more CFMs. but my 12 dollar TOYO 120mm pumps out..well..here..you can see the fan i have in my case..on the side panel.
<A HREF="http://www.ustoyofan.com/pdfs/USTF12038.pdf" target="_new">http://www.ustoyofan.com/pdfs/USTF12038.pdf</A>
mine is the 1203812HW...
it blows a lot of air... 108CFM is a lot...hehe....
oh, and mine takes a long time to stop too..compared to other fans i have..i think it is just the fact that there is so much mass...120mm is big...
but yeah...the dimmer switch would probably be the route for you, since you are using ac...but you COULD get an ac rheostat..which isnt a dimmer switch...but i dont know how much they cost..and you might be better off with just the dimmer switch...let me know how that turns out...

-DAvid

-Live, Learn, then build your own computer!-
 
i noticed tonight that having that fan in there increases the circulatoin in my room, sitting next to the computer i can feel the draft bouncing off the celing, lol

i went to the tomshardware forums and all i got was this lousy signature.
 
What tools did you use to cut your case? There were a lot of suggestions posted <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=647353#647353" target="_new">here</A> almost a month ago. I am trying to figure out what would be the best method for my situation.

I purchased a case that already came modified with vents on the side and top and premounted fans (funky little plastic pins instead of screws, look like smaller versions of the white risers on the mobo). I am going to take the fans off and replace them with adjustables (Enermax, blue with clear fins 😎 ). I want to cut the vents out so I have less of an obstruction, especially since I am going to be adding restriction by putting a filter on the side intake. Also, the top vent has little hoods over each slot. My guess is to minimize dust coming in. What it is going to do is restrict air coming out! I will just place a cloth over the top of the blowhole when the computer is not in use.

The vent setups are basically square in shape, so the resulting opening will be square. Because of this, I can dismiss the circular bit suggestions.

I have a rotary tool (Sears Craftsman, like a Dremel), and I know that they make cutting discs and tips for it. <font color=red>Does anybody know what model # disc/tip for a Dremel/Craftsman is strong enough to stand up to a case?</font color=red>

Oh, and this would be a standard case, not aluminum.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

VSP

<i>Upon the occasion in which the defecation comes into contact with the oscillating ventilator.</i>
 
ok, if you are going to use the dremel type rotary tool, i HIGHLY suggest that you get yourself some of the fiberglass reinforced wheels. the ones that came with my dremel are REALLY crappy, and explode under NORMAL use. NORMAL USE! the ones i am talking about are these.. <A HREF="http://www.dremel.com/productdisplay/display.asp?sku=426&color=cc0000" target="_new">http://www.dremel.com/productdisplay/display.asp?sku=426&color=cc0000</A> they are bigger, and MUCH stronger than the ones that come with the tools..although my dremel came with ONE reinforced disc, and a bunch of normal ones...
the fiberglass ones are strong enough that i made one wheel cut 1 and a half 120mm blowholes from a standard steel case. also, get yourself some safety goggles, even if you dont think you need them...because when i had that normal wheel explode, i was wearing mine, and a piece of the wheel hit the goggle, so it saved me...saved me an eye...which i cant afford to loose. you might also want some gloves...but i havent had any problems...
also, if you measure the area you are going to cut out, and put masking tape around the area that you are going to leave, put small pieces until the hole is the shape you want, so there is multiple layers, then you will not only give yourself a guide, but protect the paint. and to protect the paint eve further, i would suggest cutting from the inside of the panel. so if the tool gets away from you, it will scratch across unseen parts. when you are done cutting the hole, take one of these, <A HREF="http://www.dremel.com/productdisplay/display.asp?sku=952&color=009933" target="_new">http://www.dremel.com/productdisplay/display.asp?sku=952&color=009933</A> and use that to deburr the hole. but be careful not to take off much metal...just the burrs. and when you are done, erase any pencil marks, and then wash the panel, so that there is no metal filings, and residue from the cutoff wheel and the grinding tip.
a tip for cutting with the fiberglass wheels. take small bites...and dont press hard. let the tool do the cutting. i suggest that you go around once, lightly, to make a slight cut. then check and make sure it is round. then continue taking small bites. this should give you the best results, and save the wheel.

is your rotary tool the RTX? because i think those are even better than dremels for this work, because they dont bog down as much under load. which is good, especially for cutting metal. and if you have never used this tool to cut metal, try it out first...on something that doesnt matter, but is the same material...this will give you an idea of how it is going to handle. like a test drive.
well, i cant really think of anything else, other than the rotary tool should be able to handle all the cuts you need to make, straight or curved...even though dremels site says not to make circular cuts with their cutoff wheels...that is just so if you hurt yourself doing it, you cant sue them...but you are voiding warranties, cutting metal, spraying sparks...if you hurt yourself, it is your fault anyways...unless the dremel itself explodes...but that is highly unlikely...very highly...hehe.
but yeah, those fans you are going to get...they have some with built in blue leds, two in each fan, for the same price as the ones without them at <A HREF="http://www.openlinx.net/cgi-bin-openlinx/PerlShop.cgi?ACTION=ENTER&thispage=page16CN.htm&ORDER_ID=!ORDERID!" target="_new">this place</A>. i would get some myself...but i have no cash...so if you havent bought your fans yet...get them...unless you dont want the lights...
i hope you have fun modding your computer, and be careful, dont do anything stupid...and measure a LOT...and check and re-check your measurements, and when you do that, you should be happy with the outcome.
GOOD LUCK! :smile:

-DAvid

-Live, Learn, then build your own computer!-
 
I use a 3 inch (76.2mm) steel hole saw. After deburring the edge of the cut, the hole is just about 80mm.

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I would use the diamond disk with that dremel like tool, it supposed to cut better and last longer than other disks.

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Thanks for all of the info, <b>Jhon</b>! I know Lowe's has a lot of the Dremel accessories, so I will check their for the ones you listed. <b>Camie</b> and <b>Andrew</b>, thanks for the info, too.

About the safety glasses . . . I am all about safety. In fact, I had to cut some full height case fan screw posts down to half height (to replace the stock fan in an e-machine PSU) for my former boss, and after I cut into the first one, the burning plastic smell was so bad that I put on a respirator just in case I was releasing some particles that I didn't want to be breathing.

Thanks for the concern, though. I appreciate it. Many people believe that safety is a joke or is of little concern. Well, they think that way until something happens. So reminding people to work safely whenever we get the chance is a great service.

I don't believe my tool is RTX. If that is a brand name, then no. It is a Sears Craftsman Rotary Tool. From what I understand, the Sears Craftsman tools are actually made by Dremel. I got this one because it cost much less than the equivalent Dremel kit. (~USD$20 less.)

I already bought the fans from Newegg.com. Good guys. I am going to post about it when I get everything squared away. Didn't check your site yet, but mine were $7. Oh, and just to let you all know, their site shows the pink ones only, and that's what I ordered. I asked their sales dept if they were going to start selling the blue ones and they told me no, there was nothing in the computer about it. When they arrived, they turned out to be blue 😎 .

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm . . .

VSP

<i>Upon the occasion in which the defecation comes into contact with the oscillating ventilator.</i>
 
I so want one of those rotary toys, but might end up with a swiss cheese case. LOL Nah just kidding, only have to cut a hole on top of the case to release the pressure these 120mm fans build in the case. Maybe a set of USB ports on the side, audio in/out, or front.... ohh see what I mean!? LMAO

I got this 3M Anti Fog Aerosite Z87 5¾ safety glasses, pretty decent and light. Now only if those little flying hot metal pieces would start hitting it more than my face... damn they make me itch!

Hey aren't you happy with those blue fans? The pink ones look like something out of a Barbie computer nightmare. 😀

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i used a jig saw to get most of the spoil out then it was just a matter of delicate filing to get the right size. if the case already has vents, i would just make them bigger instead of cutting them off. as far as the cutting blade for your dremmel, dont buy the good ones, you will break them any way. just get many fair price ones, not the cheapest ones. i went through 4 of them discs just cutting a hole big enough for an rj45 jack! and for gods sake tape up the good side of the case, no matter how careful you are you will more than likely scare it up.

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if you burn through that many disks, you are pressing too hard...
turn the rpms up, and let the tool cut it...
the cheap discs are for cutting wood...and i have had them explode when i cut metal with them...they chip, and then become off balance, and spinning at 3500 rpm, or however fast it spins, they tend to become unstable...and tear themselves apart...which can get dangerous...as i have stated before...and the flying pieces could damage the case, or something else other than you... :wink:

-DAvid

-Live, Learn, then build your own computer!-
 
yea, i dont know where they came from, but its all i had. i wasnt pushing to hard, but every now and then it would catch a little bit and sometime when i felt it catch it would just desintegrate.

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Swiss cheese case! LMAO!!! But damn would it be cool! :lol:

Cool about the safety glasses. I have to use some Uvex over-the-glasses glasses. Not sure what the model is, but they work.

Mebbe you should consider wearing a face shield . . . ?

d00d!!! I was ECSTATIC when I opened the box and saw the blue fans instead of the pink ones. Especially after sales told me that they had no plans on stocking them. It was an awesome surprise. And now that I have to cut squares and some of the fan will be showing, I am soooooo glad that they are blue!

VSP

<i>Upon the occasion in which the defecation comes into contact with the oscillating ventilator.</i>
 
Since the vents are not solid bars (the side has two columns, and the top has three), I will try cutting first there and seeing how the case reacts.

I pulled out my tool, no pun intended, and checked the manual and the "Project Guide". One project was adding a vent to a sheet metal duct. It instructed to use the standard "cut-off" discs that came with the tool (~30) and it will cut through sheet metal. I wonder if the comp case is thicker than that used in the ducts. I don't know, but I am going to try anyway. Prolly this weekend. If those don't work too well, I will look for the fiberglass imbedded ones that <b>Jhon</b> mentioned. They had pics of those in the manual, too. Same as what <b>Jhon</b> linked to.

Oh, and I will be taping everything! I don't want my pretty new case getting scared. :wink:

VSP

<i>Upon the occasion in which the defecation comes into contact with the oscillating ventilator.</i>
 
I'm happy for you, wish I would get stuff like that (better than expected). Why not round holes, I think they look nicer (made both and round look nicer to me)? With a round hole you can put some kind of white light around the fan and let it glow pretty blue. Or pretty blue square holes. 😛

Now put your tool away mister, you scare the children. LOL

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good to hear you care about safety...
my glasses are some surplus ones that they use at Boeing.
got them from my friend, when he was doing this school thing there, and they gave him a new pair each day...
and as for the normal wheels disintgrating, yeah..that is basically what mine did...but mine were quite violent. i had that thing spinning as fast as it can, and it just blew apart...little bits of abrasive disk flying around everywhere! lol.
but good luck with that VSP.

-DAvid

-Live, Learn, then build your own computer!-