My budget Gaming Rig

[Anthony_U]

hey guys. I'm building a budget gaming rig. goal was to stay under $450. here is a shot of my shopping cart...

http://imgur.com/a/3A0pj

I already have a case and power supply. Any thoughts or advice? Thanks in advance!

 

[Herc08]

It's not bad. But Why not save a few bucks, and grab the Pentium G4400? Then you could possible up your GPU to a RX 570. If not, at least you can save that money and not waste on money on an i3, when it's basically the same thing.

 

[rhysiam]

It's not bad. But Why not save a few bucks, and grab the Pentium G4400? Then you could possible up your GPU to a RX 570. If not, at least you can save that money and not waste on money on an i3, when it's basically the same thing.

The G4400 is a 6th Gen CPU that lacks hyperthreading. That's going to hurt gaming, potentially even with entry level cards.

If OP can get a G4560 that would be better as it has hyperthreading and is basically equivalent to the i3. You would need a 7th gen mobo though, or some assurance from the retailer than a 6th gen mobo (like the H110 in the current build) has updated firmware and will boot with the G4560.

OP -> look at G4560 and B250 mobo. That should still get you close to stepping up to the RX 570 as @Herc08 suggests... that would be a vastly better gaming rig.

 

[rhysiam]

How about this instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($62.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($62.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($59.92 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.44 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 570 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card ($178.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $412.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-01 23:12 EDT-0400

No case or powersupply. But you didn't list them in your original build. Have you got those already? You would want a half-decent PSU at least for the RX 570.

Newegg has a very decent Seasonic 520W unit for very little right now if you can use the rebate: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

[Anthony_U]

I do already have a power supply and case. also I was thinking about getting a i3-7100 but I'm told older board's bios won't be compatible with that cpu. how could i get around it if i go that route? with this build you have here, i would have any issues with the board's bios as far as being able to use the cpu? also this CPU is as good for gaming as the i3? just want to confrim

How about this instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($62.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($62.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($59.92 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.44 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 570 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card ($178.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $412.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-01 23:12 EDT-0400

No case or powersupply. But you didn't list them in your original build. Have you got those already? You would want a half-decent PSU at least for the RX 570.

Newegg has a very decent Seasonic 520W unit for very little right now if you can use the rebate: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

 

[Anthony_U]

How about this instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($62.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($62.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($59.92 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.44 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 570 4GB Gaming 4G Video Card ($178.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $412.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-01 23:12 EDT-0400

No case or powersupply. But you didn't list them in your original build. Have you got those already? You would want a half-decent PSU at least for the RX 570.

Newegg has a very decent Seasonic 520W unit for very little right now if you can use the rebate: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

the thing is, that i want a 8gb stick of RAM because at some point, i'll want to go to 16gb of ram

 

[rhysiam]

Been away a while sorry.

That board I chose is a B250 board, so it will work with 7th gen CPU out of the box, no BIOS update required. That's why I choose it.

If you want to go to 16GB later on, just pay a few more dollars for a 4 DIMM board. Like this one: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VM2rxr/gigabyte-ga-b250m-ds3h-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-ga-b250m-ds3h

RE the i3 vs Pentium, previously the Pentiums were dual core without hyperthreading, which made them very poor choices for a gaming CPU. But starting with the 7th gen CPUs, Pentiums have hyperthreading (2 core, 4 thread), making them basically identical to the much more expensive i3s. So the i3 has a slightly higher clock speed, which means it is slightly faster, but it's nearly double the price, which is nowhere near worth the extra money. For entry level gaming, that Pentium is by far the best value for money right now.

 

[Anthony_U]

thanks for the advice and info. at the end of the day i want my Overwatch. heroes of the storm, and maybe so other games like gtv5 to run at or near high settings at 60FPS min. also like to Future poof the rig a bit so i could slowly upgrade part by part until its a higher end gaming pc and so on.

 

[sarmamanashjyoti2012]

A great piece of advice. Everythings fine. But Why intel? AMD cpu's are born for gamers. (Until you can afford an i7) Go for Fx series. They are killer in gaming. Will cost you the same as the i3. I3 is outdated now. Either go for i5 if you have a crush on intel. But for gaming i am always with amd processor. Yes amd processor are a bit weak in multitasking compared to intel but they an fx can beat intel i5 in gaming. Go for an fx. Choose the varrient according to your budget but i3 will be a wrong choice now. And it will bottleneck your gfx card.

 

[rhysiam]

A great piece of advice. Everythings fine. But Why intel? AMD cpu's are born for gamers. (Until you can afford an i7) Go for Fx series. They are killer in gaming. Will cost you the same as the i3. I3 is outdated now. Either go for i5 if you have a crush on intel. But for gaming i am always with amd processor. Yes amd processor are a bit weak in multitasking compared to intel but they an fx can beat intel i5 in gaming. Go for an fx. Choose the varrient according to your budget but i3 will be a wrong choice now. And it will bottleneck your gfx card.

I don't know where your information is coming from, but it's just not accurate.

FX architecture was scarcely competitive when it launched back in 2011, that's why everyone is so excited about Ryzen because AMD is finally competitive again. OP could get a (sort of) quad core FX 4300 for a similar price to the Pentium, but trust me, that hyperthreaded Pentium is vastly more capable as a gaming CPU. Plus, it's on a modern platform and OP can drop anything up to an i7 7700 into the motherboard, upgrade the GPU, and he all of a sudden has a modern high end gaming rig. FX is a dead end platform now.

Just FYI as well...

amd processor are a bit weak in multitasking compared to intel but they an fx can beat intel i5 in gaming

You've got that utterly the wrong way around. Generally speaking Intel provides fewer cores for the money, making them comparatively weak in multi-threaded workloads, but their architecture is superior, meaning the cores that are there are significantly faster, which is much more important for gaming (again - generally speaking).

If we were talking about an i5 vs a Ryzen 5, I'd be encouraging OP to go with AMD all the way. But he doesn't have the budget for that. Any better CPU would require dropping down from an RX 570 to a GTX 1050ti or RX560, either of which are much, much slower than the 570, resulting in a substantially worse gaming PC.

thanks for the advice and info. at the end of the day i want my Overwatch. heroes of the storm, and maybe so other games like gtv5 to run at or near high settings at 60FPS min. also like to Future poof the rig a bit so i could slowly upgrade part by part until its a higher end gaming pc and so on.

Overwatch and HoTS shouldn't be a problem. GTA V on high settings is probably asking too much of a cheap CPU and mid-range GPU. It'll be playable, no problems there, but you're building a budget PC so have your expectations set appropriately. The good thing about the build I suggested is that you can upgrade the CPU to later to an i7, chuck in a better graphics card, and you'll have a nice gaming rig again.

 

[sarmamanashjyoti2012]

A great piece of advice. Everythings fine. But Why intel? AMD cpu's are born for gamers. (Until you can afford an i7) Go for Fx series. They are killer in gaming. Will cost you the same as the i3. I3 is outdated now. Either go for i5 if you have a crush on intel. But for gaming i am always with amd processor. Yes amd processor are a bit weak in multitasking compared to intel but they an fx can beat intel i5 in gaming. Go for an fx. Choose the varrient according to your budget but i3 will be a wrong choice now. And it will bottleneck your gfx card.

I don't know where your information is coming from, but it's just not accurate.

FX architecture was scarcely competitive when it launched back in 2011, that's why everyone is so excited about Ryzen because AMD is finally competitive again. OP could get a (sort of) quad core FX 4300 for a similar price to the Pentium, but trust me, that hyperthreaded Pentium is vastly more capable as a gaming CPU. Plus, it's on a modern platform and OP can drop anything up to an i7 7700 into the motherboard, upgrade the GPU, and he all of a sudden has a modern high end gaming rig. FX is a dead end platform now.

Just FYI as well...

amd processor are a bit weak in multitasking compared to intel but they an fx can beat intel i5 in gaming

You've got that utterly the wrong way around. Generally speaking Intel provides fewer cores for the money, making them comparatively weak in multi-threaded workloads, but their architecture is superior, meaning the cores that are there are significantly faster, which is much more important for gaming (again - generally speaking).

If we were talking about an i5 vs a Ryzen 5, I'd be encouraging OP to go with AMD all the way. But he doesn't have the budget for that. Any better CPU would require dropping down from an RX 570 to a GTX 1050ti or RX560, either of which are much, much slower than the 570, resulting in a substantially worse gaming PC.

thanks for the advice and info. at the end of the day i want my Overwatch. heroes of the storm, and maybe so other games like gtv5 to run at or near high settings at 60FPS min. also like to Future poof the rig a bit so i could slowly upgrade part by part until its a higher end gaming pc and so on.

Overwatch and HoTS shouldn't be a problem. GTA V on high settings is probably asking too much of a cheap CPU and mid-range GPU. It'll be playable, no problems there, but you're building a budget PC so have your expectations set appropriately. The good thing about the build I suggested is that you can upgrade the CPU to later to an i7, chuck in a better graphics card, and you'll have a nice gaming rig again.

I know what you are saying. Thats why i mentioned AMD chips are not good for multitasking or works like Video rendering or something. But guess what? Amd dual core apu (i am talking about a6 6400k) which is the most entry level apu in the market is able to run GTA 5 without a discrete card. So at the end of the day we all want performance. Do you think a low budget Intel Dual core cpu alone with intel Hd graphics be able to run GTA 5? Even with a little tweeking people are able to run Rise of the tomb raider on the entry level a6 apu. Yes intel are more stable but since its about gaming and budget is low i prefer amd. With a high budget he could go for a better I5 but I3 is obsolete now.

 

[rhysiam]

I know what you are saying. Thats why i mentioned AMD chips are not good for multitasking or works like Video rendering or something.

Whaaaat? I don't want to be rude here, but you clearly don't know what I'm saying because you're straight up saying the opposite. Can you carefully read what I said again? AMD offer great value for money for entry level multitasking. It's lightly threaded workloads - like gaming - that their CPUs are not as strong at, relatively and generally speaking.

But guess what? Amd dual core apu (i am talking about a6 6400k) which is the most entry level apu in the market is able to run GTA 5 without a discrete card. So at the end of the day we all want performance. Do you think a low budget Intel Dual core cpu alone with intel Hd graphics be able to run GTA 5? Even with a little tweeking people are able to run Rise of the tomb raider on the entry level a6 apu. Yes intel are more stable but since its about gaming and budget is low i prefer amd. With a high budget he could go for a better I5 but I3 is obsolete now.

Why are you talking about an APU or integrated graphics for on a gaming build? Yes AMD's integrated graphics are better than Intel, but they're both terrible at gaming. That build I'm suggesting, and you're criticising, has an RX 570 in it. The 8470D in that APU has 4 ROPs and 12 TMUs, compared to 32 and 128 on the RX 570 respectively. Plus the 570 has dedicated GDDR5 RAM and much higher clocks.

I hear you saying you prefer AMD, but can you please suggest specific components at OP's budget which you feel will perform better.
I can you tell you right now there is no APU that will get anywhere near the RX 570 from a graphics perspective. Such an APU simply does not exist.
AMD certainly have gaming CPUs that are better than the Pentium G4560, there's no doubt about that, but the cheapest one worth considering right now is the Ryzen 5 1500, which is priced at $160 (about $95 more than the Pentium in the current build). Any current AMD APU or FX processor that's priced around the $65 Pentium will perform significantly worse with an RX 570 driving the graphics in any vaguely representative array of game benchmarks.
If OP had a bigger budget and was looking at $160+ CPUs, then the Ryzen 5 1500, or Ryzen 5 1600 are fantastic CPUs and I'd be recommending them here, no question. But moving up to those CPUs means there's no money left for a GPU at all. And even moving up to a ~$120 CPU would require OP to drop to an RX 560 or GTX 1050ti, which are much slower than the 570 in the current build.

By all means, if you think you can do better, suggest some components here. But I'm telling you, AMD doesn't really have an answer to the $65 hyperthreaded Pentium + discrete GPU combo for entry level gaming right now.

 

[sarmamanashjyoti2012]

I know what you are saying. Thats why i mentioned AMD chips are not good for multitasking or works like Video rendering or something.

Whaaaat? I don't want to be rude here, but you clearly don't know what I'm saying because you're straight up saying the opposite. Can you carefully read what I said again? AMD offer great value for money for entry level multitasking. It's lightly threaded workloads - like gaming - that their CPUs are not as strong at, relatively and generally speaking.

But guess what? Amd dual core apu (i am talking about a6 6400k) which is the most entry level apu in the market is able to run GTA 5 without a discrete card. So at the end of the day we all want performance. Do you think a low budget Intel Dual core cpu alone with intel Hd graphics be able to run GTA 5? Even with a little tweeking people are able to run Rise of the tomb raider on the entry level a6 apu. Yes intel are more stable but since its about gaming and budget is low i prefer amd. With a high budget he could go for a better I5 but I3 is obsolete now.

Why are you talking about an APU or integrated graphics for on a gaming build? Yes AMD's integrated graphics are better than Intel, but they're both terrible at gaming. That build I'm suggesting, and you're criticising, has an RX 570 in it. The 8470D in that APU has 4 ROPs and 12 TMUs, compared to 32 and 128 on the RX 570 respectively. Plus the 570 has dedicated GDDR5 RAM and much higher clocks.

I hear you saying you prefer AMD, but can you please suggest specific components at OP's budget which you feel will perform better.
I can you tell you right now there is no APU that will get anywhere near the RX 570 from a graphics perspective. Such an APU simply does not exist.
AMD certainly have gaming CPUs that are better than the Pentium G4560, there's no doubt about that, but the cheapest one worth considering right now is the Ryzen 5 1500, which is priced at $160 (about $95 more than the Pentium in the current build). Any current AMD APU or FX processor that's priced around the $65 Pentium will perform significantly worse with an RX 570 driving the graphics in any vaguely representative array of game benchmarks.
If OP had a bigger budget and was looking at $160+ CPUs, then the Ryzen 5 1500, or Ryzen 5 1600 are fantastic CPUs and I'd be recommending them here, no question. But moving up to those CPUs means there's no money left for a GPU at all. And even moving up to a ~$120 CPU would require OP to drop to an RX 560 or GTX 1050ti, which are much slower than the 570 in the current build.

By all means, if you think you can do better, suggest some components here. But I'm telling you, AMD doesn't really have an answer to the $65 hyperthreaded Pentium + discrete GPU combo for entry level gaming right now.

Hello bruh. Chill. Scroll up and read my reply. I didn't say APU's are good. I just compared AMD apu and an intel Apu. In terms of gaming an amd apu outshines intel.

OP can go for a FX since it will cost the same as am i3 (almost). I said that. Dont stress out man. First read what is posted then comment. You post your view i will post mine. Rest is what the he decides.

 

[rhysiam]

Hello bruh. Chill. Scroll up and read my reply. I didn't say APU's are good. I just compared AMD apu and an intel Apu. In terms of gaming an amd apu outshines intel.

OP can go for a FX since it will cost the same as am i3 (almost). I said that. Dont stress out man. First read what is posted then comment. You post your view i will post mine. Rest is what the he decides.

I did read your reply, multiple times. And in case it's not clear, I'm not raging or anything. I'm just asking you to back up what you're saying with specific recommendations. It's great to get multiple views, I have no issue with that, but if I disagree with some of the advice or views being given I'm going to say so. You and anyone else is welcome to disagree with me too, people regularly disagree here on the forums and it's all fine as long as the debate stays focused on the question at hand.

Which FX Processor are you suggesting?
By all means recommend an FX Processor, but can you actually put a build together for the $450 budget, with an FX processor, that's better than what's been suggested above?