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I have recently bought a Asus K8V se Deluxe Mobo and AMD 64 3000+ cpu (also new Ram but thats irrelevent to this post). I just need some advice on replacing my old A-Bit board and P III CPU with this new kit. Im running Windows 98 and have a new 400w Nokia PSU and two IDE hard drives that are NOT raid compatible( although im still a bit vague about all that) i also have a (probably) AUDIGY sound blaster sound card and a Geforce 5700LE Agp graphics card. I know i should wait a bit longer and buy a pair of new HDD's and Windows XP and start from scratch ,but could you wait? So ,please ,any help from these knowledgable forums would be GREATLY appreciated. I tried(foolishly) just taking out my old board and installing the new one c/w the new CPU and AGP and PCI cards. I got to the BIOS but it wouldnt recognise my FLOPPY/CD/DVD drives so i couldn't boot up in anything but safe-mode. It also said that the BIOS wasn't installed. Does this mean that the BIOS chip on the board has been flashed and not updated? Have I just ruined my new kit or am I just panicking as a result of my own impatience? HELP!!

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its always best to reinstall windows when doing a major upgrade as you are.
hopefully you backed up everything before you started.
I would wipe the drives and reinstall windows.
you probably had problems becuase the correct drivers werent loading for the chipset on the new motherboard.

I dont think you "fried" anything.
 
You're in for a real treat trying that rig with Win98. I'd spend 80 bucks and get the XPpro Academic Upgrade edition.

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OMG!
1.) You bought a VIA chipset board when even SiS is better! All that money spent and you didn't even bother with an nVidia chipset? But it will still "work".
2.) Nokia is a camera company, I've never heard of a Nokia PSU.
3.) Windows 98 will probably work, but then again, this is a VIA chipset...
4.) There is no such thing as "IDE drives that are NOT RAID compatable". But if these are two different sizes, that's one more reason you wouldn't want to put them in RAID mode.
5.) I'd try getting it started without the sound card, and add it after everything else works.
6.) It didn't say your motherboard BIOS wasn't installed, it said the boot BIOS for your RAID controller wasn't installed. If you're not using the RAID controller, DISABLE IT in motherboard BIOS.

OK, RTFM. If you don't know what that means, let me rephrase it: Read the Manual. Put the IDE drives on the main controller (IDE1 and IDE2). Go into BIOS and set the thing to automatically detect drives. Since you had everything working before, I hope you haven't changed the cabling to screw up the master/slave settings.

If your floppy light stays on, one end of the cable is flipped. As you face the BACK of the drives, all the IDE drives have the red stripe on the right (indicating Pin1) and the floppy should have the stripe on the left.

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"If your floppy light stays on, one end of the cable is flipped. As you face the BACK of the drives, all the IDE drives have the red stripe on the right (indicating Pin1) and the floppy should have the stripe on the left."

Right! :wink:

-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
 
Thanks for all the replies guy's, the reason i got all this kit was that it was cheap on E-bay( half price for Mobo(£46) and CPU(£60)) and im fairly new to all this so go easy :) I hope to get XP fairly soon ,as in ,before the swap,and thanks for the Floppy advice. That really stumped me. Now that i can get that working i can back everything up. Crashman, I got two small width red cables to be used instead of my ide ribbons , I thought they were 'raid' cables, or do I sound really dense? And whats wrong with my via chipset? Since my botched first attempt i've restored the Pc to its original MOBO and it works fine, so no worries there.Over here Nokia is a Cell Phone manufacturer from norway or sweden. And needed a Psu with the 12 volt 4 pin connector and cheap enough so that my wife didn't really notice. Of course i didnt help myself looking for one on Christmas Eve!!

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OMG!
1.) The small red cables you got are SATA cables. Most boards of this erra allow either SATA or ATA RAID. SATA is a newer cable standard with a few added features added to the interface.
2.) I don't own that particular VIA chipset, but all my other VIA chipsets have had compatability, stability, or data corruption problems. The only thing I can say with certainty about this chipset is it's slower than either SiS or nVidia (but not by much) and has greater memory issues than SiS. Still, a lot of people like it (but I consider them fools).
3.) Read the first post in this forum for assembly tips.

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Over here Nokia is a Cell Phone manufacturer from norway or sweden
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Just so you know. Nokia is made in Finland, Ericsson is made in Sweden, and as far as i know Norway doesnt make cellphones.

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'cept that the via stuff is easily more compatible than any nvidia chipset...

There are still people trying to hack drivers for nvidia's onboard lan and sound chips for non-MS operating systems.

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You're blaming nVidia for the Linux community not supporting a couple chipset features properly? I remember when people did the same thing with ATI. With that mentality we'd still be stuck with VooDoo3's and Pentium 2's.

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Not sure, but he might have meant OKIA instead of NOKIA. If he got an OKIA, then it will last for about 2 weeks if hes lucky. If luck is not on his side, then it will last for a year or two and the whole time he will wonder why his computer is unstable. The OKIA PSU's weigh at best 1/4 of what a good PSU weighs. Maybe it isnt an OKIA, but if it is then it should be replaced immediately.
 
Yes I am blaming nvidia for not supplying working drivers. Do you blame microsoft when you can't get decent drivers for your cards? No. You blame the manufacturer. It's not that they have written drivers and the linux community can't figure out what to do with them, the drivers just do not exist (or are in a very poor state).

The linux community can't write drivers for hardware they don't have specs on. Nforce sound is using an intel8x0 driver to get single sounds. So much for this great APU they have. We were stuck with that until someone else from the linux community wrote up a dmixer config that allowed software mixing of sounds. Yay! More than one sound at a time, but still nothing done by the hardware.

The nforce lan is still just a hacked/reverse engineered driver.

There are working via drivers for all the hardware I've come across in the linux kernel. There are windows drivers for the nvidia hardware, why can't they write linux drivers too?

Ati's linux drivers are pretty poor too. They aren't even writing any for their post Radeon 32 MB era tv tuners. They have given out the specs on the chips to developers and linux programmers are currently working on it. My 9800 AIW has been turned into a 9200 in linux... and more like intel810 integrated graphics if I use 64 bit linux as drivers don't exist for that yet.

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So what you're saying is that if the Linux Community (not VIA) writes VIA drivers and doesn't write nVidia drivers, it's nVidia's fault! Yes, that's exactly what you're saying.

nVidia has only recently started assisting in driver development for Linux, yet they are still better supported than ATI, why? The linux commmunty paid attention to nVidia first! It has nothing to do with ATI the company or nVidia the company, it has everything to do with the linux community. So I was completely right in saying your method would have Linux guys stuck with VooDoo3's and PII's. After all, if nobody had bought nVidia graphics for their Linux boxes, the Linux community wouldn't have developed those drivers.

In fact, accordingly, people in the Linux community should be buying parts NOT properly supported by Linux, in order to push driver developement from within that community.

It's like the Ford vs. Chevy thing, people say you should buy Chevy because aftermarket companies make more racing parts for them. But the only reason people make more racing parts for them is because they're more common, the best thing you can do to increase the availability of racing parts for Fords is to buy a Ford and take it racing!

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No I'm not. Via writes via drivers. Silicon image writes sata linux drivers for their chips. nVidia writes linux drivers for their own video hardware, but not for their APUs or lan chips.

You have the linux/manufacturer support backwards. Go to some linux forums and you will see a lot of unhappy ATI users writing petitions and emails to ATI for drivers. A lot are writing to say they will not buy another ATI product until drivers are released. They are speaking with their wallets.

The linux community did not "pay attention to" nvidia first. It was the other way around. Nvidia wrote linux drivers for their hardware before ati and as a result they are doing better amongst linux users. ATI is waking up to the fact that the linux market is substantial and are starting to develop linux drivers (or so they say).

Again, the linux community rarely develops drivers. When it does they are years behind and only partially functional (look up the ati-gatos project). The hardware manufacturers are the ones who have to write the linux drivers, just as they have to write windows drivers.

People in the linux community should be buy parts properly supported under linux by the manufacturer (not the other way around as you suggest) to send a message to the hardware manufacturers. Think about it. If you're ATI, have no linux drivers, aren't paying for linux programmers and every linux user goes out to buy your cards, are you ever going to write a linux driver? No. Now if you're nvidia, paying programmers to write linux drivers, are you going to continue throwing money away so that users will buy the other guy's product? Hell no. You have it all backwards.

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When I first tried Linux back in 2000 there were already nVidia drivers there, and I'm almost certain nVidia had NO involvement in Linux in the year 2000 or prior. And the drivers got better as the Linux community developed them more. Now they might have made a significant leap since nVidia has given factory support, but there were already some darned good drivers there.

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Most of those nvidia drivers were just DRI and not full hardware acceleration. It was a big deal when nvidia finally got hardware accelerated drivers out. They were a pain to install but at least they worked.

Just check out nvidia's downloads section and see just what you can download drivers for. Graphics are fine, but sound and lan aren't there. Hacks exist in the linux kernel, but they are a royal pain to get half assed working.

All the via stuff has kernel modules you can build for it. Stick a <*> beside the Via VT8XXX support in the kernel config and you're good to go.

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