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re: Observer ? ... Sarcasto-schmidt!
>Are you paranoid, or do you not know the definition of the word? Please
>explain what's "covert" about having a camera in PLAIN SIGHT in a LIVING
>ROOM?
Obviously, Even to the most unskilled Obsever;
The previously specified hidden monitoring software would be the covert
item.
> But there does not appear to be a privacy or security issue in play here.
> The cam is in the LIVING ROOM.
Beyond what I personally consider to be reasonable individual privacy [and
security in possession of said privacy];
Reference parallel privacy law in which Paparazzi are liable for violation
of reasonable individual privacy in PUBLIC PLACES .
Violation of reasonable individual privacy is "relative" whether the
individual is in a PARK, BATHROOM or LIVINGROOM.
The distinct tort of intentional [and negligent infliction of] emotional
distress, as well as the related tort of outrage, are also invoked by
plaintiffs in place of, or in addition to, the traditional privacy torts.
Though standards vary from state to state, plaintiffs must generally prove
extreme and outrageous conduct, causing the plaintiff to suffer severe
emotional damage as a result.
I will cast no more pearls...
z
"Observer" <Observer@none.invalid> wrote in message
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>z <rmwbsee@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> FYI
>>
>> It is very reasonable to discuss your privacy and security in this
>> day and age.
>
> But there does not appear to be a privacy or security issue in play here.
> The cam is in the LIVING ROOM.
>>
>> If the LL is the covert type, I can't imagine they would admit
>> anything.
>
> If the LL was "the covert type" he wouldn't have a cam in plain sight
> ANYWHERE. Least of all, in the LIVING ROOM.
>>
>> Obscuring the camera view could cause trouble with someone who
>> practices covert behavior.They might know, right away, someone was
>> deliberatly blocking the view.
>
> Covert - Covert - Covert. Why do you keep using the word covert? Are you
> paranoid, or do you not know the definition of the word? Please explain
> what's "covert" about having a camera in PLAIN SIGHT in a LIVING ROOM?
> And why would anyone want to obscure the view of a camera that's in a
> LIVING ROOM, anyway? What could any rational person possibly be doing in
> a LIVING ROOM that they would feel the need to hide? Sitting and reading?
> Watching TV? Just passin' through? I got news for ya ... If I had a LL
> (I don't) and he or she wanted to bore themself to tears by watching me
> read or watch TV ... I say let 'em have at it.
>
> The OP doesn't even know if the cam is active for heaven's sake. And
> whether it is or not ... It's probably only there for security purposes.
> It sounds to me as though the OP rents a room in someone's home, but has
> the run of the house to use the LIVING ROOM, kitchen, laundry, etc. IF
> that's the case, maybe the LL has had problems with theft by other tenents
> in the past. Whatever. Bottom line is that it's the LL's house, and if
> he wants to put cameras in EVERY stinkin' room, he can. Just as long as
> he leaves them in plain sight, and/or makes any tenent(s) aware that they
> are there, I see no problem with it. Would I personally move into, or
> stay in a situation like that? No. That would be a little too creepy for
> me, but under the aforementioned conditions there would be nothing
> "covert" or illegal about it. At least not where I live.
>>
>> I do not mean to alarm you, but, You might also concider that; tiny
>> cams can be hidden in clocks and fire alarms and other normal
>> household objects.
>
> Now THAT would be covert. But do you really think if the LL wanted to do
> anything untoward like plant hidden mini-cams all over the place, that
> he'd be stupid enough to put that thought in people's heads by leaving one
> cam in plain sight ... In the LIVING ROOM? Think about it. If you walked
> into someone's home intent on renting a room and saw a cam in their living
> room, wouldn't your first thought and question be, "Where else are they?"
> Mine would.
>>
>> If you are feeling funny about being watched, I would imagine this
>> came from other feelings you have about the LL; trust your intuition
>> and find other friends to live with.
>
> Now you're making sense. And remember ....
>
> Treat every gun as if it's loaded, and every cam as if it's on.
🙂
>
>>
>> "web" <web@cam.com> wrote in message
>> news:ne3of1hhlkmju9n27fedsutd4lfrv2pkrf@4ax.com...
>>> My landlord has a webcam on the living room. I don't spend time at
>>> living room. But walks around all the time. During the day, the PC
>>> is on all the time. MSN Messenger is loaded and minimized as an icon
>>> on the task bar by default when the PC starts. I don't know if he's
>>> watching from his office. The usual video screen when doing video
>>> conferencing isn't present. Go by what I describe, could the video
>>> be on? Can people watch video without having the video screen up?
>>>
>>> It's his home, he has the right to do anything he wants. But I would
>>> feel terrible too if someone's watching me, Especially when they
>>> don't tell me that they are monitoring the room.
>
>
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