[SOLVED] My tiny 10900K build (23.4lt)

[Gintama69]

CPU: Intel i9 10900K
HSF: bequite Dark Rock TF (220W TDP)
M/B: Asus Strix Z490-F
RAM: 32GB(4x 8GB) G.Skill Trident Z 4133C19
GPU: MSI RTX2060 Gaming Z
SSD: 1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus
Case: Sliger Cerberus X (tiny smol 23.4lt)
PSU: Corsair SF600

1. one part I'm not sure atm is the mobo..
10900K is AU$999, Asus Strix Z490-F is AU$519. (Asus Maximus XII Hero is AU$829)
Z490 mobo seem very pricey compared to Z390 but I can spend extra $200-$300 on mobo if it's much better etc.

2. GPU and PSU are kinda temp cos I was able to find used ones for decent price & I don't game much. But I'll switch to RTX3000 series and SF750 PSU later.

3. Obviously I'm worried about the thermal & noise.. but Dark Rock TF is the best air cooler I can get locally for Sliger Cerberus X case. I really hope 10900K and Z490 are smart enough to reduce the boost clock speed automatically when it gets too hot.. but worst case I'll underclock/undervolt CPU, or maybe even exchange it for 10700K if needed. (don't wanna get AIO, never been fan of watercooling)

What do you think?

 

[mdd1963]

I'd be hesitant to speculate on any degree of success on cooling the 10900K with a conventional heat sink until I see it done and what typical results are.

Looking at assorted reviews, default Intel behavior is to indeed control temps pretty well, attempting to keep them at under 70C apparently, so, it should not hurt to try.

(As the 10700K for the most part matches the outgoing 9900K, the additional expense for two more effectively unused cores is quite steep if this rig is primarily for gaming)

I'd switch your RAM to a 2 stick kit, normally 2 sticks can run higher speeds with greater stability/tighter timings than four smaller sticks...; can't blame you for starting off with 32 GB, either)

 

[Gintama69]

Yer obviously heat is my main concern atm.. but hopefully it'll be ok. fingers crossed.

RAM is F4-4133C19Q-32GTZKKF, they are suppose to be Samsung B-Die with A0 PCB so hopefully I can overclock it to 4000 @ 13-13-13-33 or maybe even 4000 @ 12-12-12-28 if I'm lucky.

 

[EndEffeKt_24]

The cerberus is an excellent case. Was tempted to get one myself, but reconsidered, because I do not need an atx board.

May I ask why you want to spent 1000 AUD on a 10900k if you are not gaming? The R9 3900x is already on the market, got pci-e 4.0, is cheaper and got the 10900Ks number in 90% of production workloads.
Unless you run applications that clearly favor Intel I dont see why you would want a 10900k. Especially considering that all the test results we are seeing right now are using big AIOs and the cpu is allowed to stay on max boost way longer than it could possibly in your situation.

 

[cryoburner]

I don't really get the point of going with a 10900K here. If the CPU ends up thermal throttling, or otherwise getting underclocked to make it work reasonably well with an air cooler in a smaller case, it likely won't be performing any better than a less-expensive and more efficient Ryzen processor, like a 3900X.

If not for gaming, what's the intended use-case for the system?

 

[Gintama69]

Does anyone really need 9900K over 9700K/8700K or 10900K over 10700K/10600K? cos the performance difference in games won't be noticeable, unless you run a benchmark like Superposition to check the fps.

But my excuse for paying extra $150 on 9900K over 9700K: cos I spend hours on PC everyday, so I don't mind paying extra 40 cent per day in year for little faster processor.. and it's the same excuse I used for 4790S, 5775C, 6770HQ, 7700, 7700K, 8700K, 8809G, 9900K, 9900KS.

Also regarding Intel vs AMD:
Personally I'd pick 9900K over 3900X any day.. cos better stability and better gaming performance.
and i7 10700K > i9 9900K

https://imgur.com/EHu6aGr

View: https://i.imgur.com/EHu6aGr.jpg


10700K is AU$750 and 3900X is AU$780 atm, so obviously I'd pick 10900K/10700K over 3950X/3900X.

 

[XxDarkMario20xX]

Would it be best to wait for more reviews about the new intel 10 gen cpu before buying them, I been reading may not be true about heating and not sure if fan coolers will do its best not really sure.

 

[EndEffeKt_24]

If you want the fastest gaming cpu available by all means go for it. I was just curious since you initially said you would not game that much on the machine.
If gaming performance is your goal and you want to later upgrade to a next gen Nvidia gpu I would honestly rather pick the 10600k or 10700k because they will draw less power and will be significantly cheaper than the 10900k.
If you say you need the core count for productivity I would still recommend the 3900x or 3950x because they beat it hands down in that regard. The 10900k is really in a weird spot on the chart at the moment.

 

[Zerk2012]

Does anyone really need 9900K over 9700K/8700K or 10900K over 10700K/10600K? cos the performance difference in games won't be noticeable, unless you run a benchmark like Superposition to check the fps.

But my excuse for paying extra $150 on 9900K over 9700K: cos I spend hours on PC everyday, so I don't mind paying extra 40 cent per day in year for little faster processor.. and it's the same excuse I used for 4790S, 5775C, 6770HQ, 7700, 7700K, 8700K, 8809G, 9900K, 9900KS.

Also regarding Intel vs AMD:
Personally I'd pick 9900K over 3900X any day.. cos better stability and better gaming performance.
and i7 10700K > i9 9900K

https://imgur.com/EHu6aGr

View: https://i.imgur.com/EHu6aGr.jpg


10700K is AU$750 and 3900X is AU$780 atm, so obviously I'd pick 10900K/10700K over 3950X/3900X.

Massive power draw.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hyQRsY/be-quiet-pure-rock-slim-351-cfm-cpu-cooler-bk008

If your mainly gaming I would probably get the 9700K you can use a much cheaper board and it frees up more money for a better video card.

 

[King_V]

Also regarding Intel vs AMD:
Personally I'd pick 9900K over 3900X any day.. cos better stability

How do you figure?

and better gaming performance.

You're not running a 2080Ti, and, presumably, you're not running a 1080p monitor. Exactly what kind of better gaming performance are you expecting?

 

[Gintama69]

I think everyone already knows Intel spends way more $$$$$$ on R&D and drivers etc, therefore Intel = much better stability.

Friend had 2700X and told me he had so many stability issues, and I've already seen way too many people having minor stability issue even with current Ryzen. I don't want any bs issue, doesn't matter how minor..

Well my previous system had 2080Ti, and my monitor is 27" Samsung CHG70 QLED.
I plan to buy high-end RTX3000 series when they are available, and if I'm gonna spend AU$2000+ on GPU I wanna get most out of it. I also do some video editing but I rather wait extra ~1min on rendering time and get extra ~10fps on games.

 

[Phaaze88]

I'd wait for motherboard reviews. Some models follow Intel's TDP guidelines, some don't. You'd want to avoid the latter.

 

[Gintama69]

I'd wait for motherboard reviews. Some models follow Intel's TDP guidelines, some don't. You'd want to avoid the latter.

Great point, considering that I'll only be using 220W TDP Dark Rock TF cooler.. qq

I might go for high-end MSI Z490 motherboard this time.. but not the top of the range one like Godlike model cos that's just too expensive.. lol

 

[g-unit1111]

I'd wait for motherboard reviews. Some models follow Intel's TDP guidelines, some don't. You'd want to avoid the latter.

Yeah I agree, the cooling requirements for the 10900K are getting to be on the ridiculous side, even venturing into the previously uncharted waters that AMD's infamous FX-9590 ventured into. And you don't want to be compared to the FX-9590.

Honestly even though it's a bit more, if you're going for CPU overkill, the Ryzen 9 3950X would be a much better purchase on the high end of things. Or you could go for a second generation TR4 instead.

 

[drivinfast247]

I think everyone already knows Intel spends way more $$$$$$ on R&D and drivers etc, therefore Intel = much better stability.

Friend had 2700X and told me he had so many stability issues, and I've already seen way too many people having minor stability issue even with current Ryzen. I don't want any bs issue, doesn't matter how minor..

Well my previous system had 2080Ti, and my monitor is 27" Samsung CHG70 QLED.
I plan to buy high-end RTX3000 series when they are available, and if I'm gonna spend AU$2000+ on GPU I wanna get most out of it. I also do some video editing but I rather wait extra ~1min on rendering time and get extra ~10fps on games.

Lol.

 

[refillable]

Wait until VRM temperature reviews are out. Chances are you won't need the highest-end boards to support the 10700K, or even the 10900K. I honestly see no point on the 10900K, though. I'm expecting the $200 MSI Tomahawk to be enough. SF600 Platinum will also be enough for something like a 2080 S.

I think everyone already knows Intel spends way more $$$$$$ on R&D and drivers etc, therefore Intel = much better stability.

Uh, yeah. No.

Yeah I agree, the cooling requirements for the 10900K are getting to be on the ridiculous side, even venturing into the previously uncharted waters that AMD's infamous FX-9590 ventured into. And you don't want to be compared to the FX-9590.

Honestly even though it's a bit more, if you're going for CPU overkill, the Ryzen 9 3950X would be a much better purchase on the high end of things. Or you could go for a second generation TR4 instead.

While ridiculous, I was surprised that it wasn't as ridiculous as I previously thought. Only with MCE it does, and it's the most useless feature I've seen for a while.