Need Advice - Adding Graphics Card to Inspiron 570 (X2 250/3.0Ghx)

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Current System Specs: (stock off the shelf)

Inspiron 570
AMD Athlon II X2 250 Processor 3.0 GHz
4GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 4200 (on board video)
1 HDMI
1 VGA
300W Power Supply
PCI Express x16 - one 164-pin connector (empty)
64-bit Win7 Home Premium

Other
2 ASUS 24" Monitors (1920x1080)

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Performance is fine except now I am playing World of Tanks occasionally. With settings set to low or off, the FPS ranges from the extreme of 6-23 FPS depending on the location map etc. Yuck!

I think I want to stay with the stock 300W PSU. I've read several of the posts. The following seems to be the one recommended currently: Radeon HD7770. I'm looking at this one at new egg: .../Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127687

Any chance that will do the trick? I don't expect it to run on High with all options (hahaha). I just hope to better the FPS and maybe turn up a couple settings. It must run both monitors in other apps outside of gaming. I believe other posts have stated that the Dell 300W PSU should not be a problem.

Thank you for all your help in advance.
 
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Fanless design is no good here, since ventilation in the original box sucks (sorry for language, but it is true), so option 1 is out, as well as ASUS HD7750-DCSL-1GD5.

Option 2 and 3 are good, actually I checked reviews for GTX650 with red cooler (sometime ago) and it was excellent, very cool to run.

At the same time, your processor is behind as well, if you would consider an upgrade read my guide http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/t/19490818.aspx

If you have any questions after reading ask.

Anything else I...
I am on iPhone for the next week or so - limited forum capabilities.

In your situation you are looking for maximum HD7750 or certain models of GTX 650 (Asus) which do not require PSU upgrade. Physically any card from those will fit in your box.
Sorry can not help you with exact choices due to my iPhone.
 


I'll look into these groupings. That gives me a starting point. Thanks.

 
Well after a little research at NewEgg, I'm leaning towards one of these three (ordered by preference - I think). All are ASUS 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready video cards.

1. $110 - N82E16814121655 - Radeon HD 7750 (heat pipes and external exhaust)
2. $100 - N82E16814121633 - Radeon HD 7750 (typical fan mount)
3. $140 - N82E16814121714 - GeForce GTX 650 (typical fan mount)

I'll probably mull this over a couple weeks before I make a decision. That will also allow for more helpful discussion. :)
PS: Thanks to Tomfan98 as well.
 


Fanless design is no good here, since ventilation in the original box sucks (sorry for language, but it is true), so option 1 is out, as well as ASUS HD7750-DCSL-1GD5.

Option 2 and 3 are good, actually I checked reviews for GTX650 with red cooler (sometime ago) and it was excellent, very cool to run.

At the same time, your processor is behind as well, if you would consider an upgrade read my guide http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/t/19490818.aspx

If you have any questions after reading ask.

Anything else I can help you with?
 
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Update on the three options in my earlier post:
#1: ASUS HD7750-DCSL-1GD5 - not advised because of bad case ventilation
#2: ASUS HD7750-1GD5-V2 - currently out of stock
#3: ASUS GTX650-E-2GD5 - ordered

Will post a follow-up to this once I get the card installed.
Thanks again for everyone's the help!

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Update:
Card comes in tomorrow. I checked the BIOS. There's no way to turn it off/ignore it/default to card/etc. Running version A06 (Apr 2012). I know how to install the card itself. Never dealt with integrated graphics before. Install instructions?
 


Sorry, I haven't done anything yet except update previous post. Basically repeated here:

From what I can see there is no way in the BIOS (A06 version) to disable the on-board video. I've never dealt with on-board video so I'm charting new territory. Can you give me a high level set of steps to complete this? Little bit more detail steps would be nice too. :) Here's my guess.

1. Install drivers for new card
2. Install new card
3. Reboot hoping the new card works
4. Uninstall old drivers
5. Reboot hoping the new card still works?!?

Thanks again for the help.
 


Yes. The drivers won't install until it finds the appropriate hardware (which doesn't arrive until tomorrow).

If I get a chance, I'll install the card tomorrow night and then install the drivers.
[strike]What next? Reboot to verify proper installation, then uninstall the drivers for the on-board video and reboot again?
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Added a few minutes later:
I just noticed the following under [Control Panel > Device Manager > Display Adapters > ATI Radeon HD 4200 Properties] along with the "Driver Details" button, there's also the following two buttons:
1. "Disable" - Disables the selected device.
2. "Uninstall" - To uninstall the driver(Advanced).

I'm guessing once I install the NVIDIA card and drivers, I disable the Radeon on board video and reboot.

Correct?
 


Good notice! This is how to disable existing embeded card.

Now we need to remove ATI/AMD drivers, also, since you already tried to install NVIDIA drivers they have to be removed as well for clean final installation.

There are many arguments on the WEB on how to remove ATI drivers, so I will give you 2 choices, first automatic with DriverSweper and second manual, I would recommend to go first one and after go second just to check.

First. DriverSweeper.

Go to http://www.techspot.com/downloads/4266-driver-sweeper.html and get Driver Sweeper 3.2.0
I don't remember exact installation sequence so choose custom if asked and do not install any crappy addons (if they present).

Next watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXs3DHdbTUg very good indeed (I did it without video, more time spent), remember basic steps:

Step # 1 Install Driver Sweeper
Step # 2 Unistall your graphics driver here some official guide http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/GPU57RemoveOldGraphicsDrivers.aspx
Step # 3 Restart your PC in Safe Mode (by pressing F8 during reboot, choose Safe Mode, first option from the top)
Step # 4 Run Driver Sweeper in Safe Mode
Step # 5 Select your drivers in Driver Sweeper and hit analyze and then clean
Step # 6 Restart PC and install newest drivers

Remember not to select AMD chipset! As this will ruin your PC and will require complete Windows reinstallation (which is good thing to do anyway if there is a problem).

Do the same with NVIDIA drivers, if Add/Remove doesn't show any NVIDIA drivers, go to Safe Mode and use DriverSweeper the same way as above, just right now hunt for all NVIDIA entries, there is no NVIDIA chipset, so no damage can be done now.

Second, manual ATI/AMD unsinstall, found this guide recently, never use it, so providing as it. Do at your own risk.

Driver sweeper has been known to remove important chipset files which will result in errors such as instability. Some users have reported that the sweeper software removes “False positives” and may cause the user issues when trying to install software such as drivers. The error usually reports that an .ini file is damaged. Over long term use of driver sweeper, it could cause several underlying issues which will do more harm than good.
This guide is an alternative, which removes all the files and registry entries that need to be removed for a successful uninstall. This is useful for upgrading/downgrading drivers or switching to another brand of card.
Guide (ATi-AMD)
Do not use this guide if you have an AMD CPU/Motherboard as you may destroy required chipset files. My comments - Inspiron 570 is using AMD based motherboard, so this guide is more tricky, be very careful!

1. Go to Add/Remove Programs

2. Uninstall the Catalyst Install manager (Express Uninstall)

3. Reboot the computer and log back into windows as normal

4. Go to folder options and select “show hidden files and folders”

The next part of the guide will remove all ATi/AMD files and folders from the computer.

5. Go to your C drive and remove the “AMD” folder

6. Double click the “Program Data” folder (Normally hidden) and remove all ATi/AMD folders

7. Go back to C and double click “Program Files” and remove all ATi/AMD folders

8. Go back to C and double click “Program Files (x86)” and remove all ATi/AMD folders

9. Go back to C and double click “Users”

10. Access the name of your windows profile and double click “AppData” (Normally hidden)

11. Check the “Local”, “LocalLow” and “Roaming” folders for any ATi/AMD folders and remove them.

12. Go back to “Users” and check the “Default” folder (Normally hidden)

13. Double click “AppData” (Normally hidden)

14. Check the “Local” and “Roaming” folders for any ATi/AMD folders and remove them.

The next part of the guide will remove registry entries left by the AMD drivers.
15. Close everything down and go back to your desktop

16. Click start, then type “regedit”.

17. Click “HKEY_CURRENT_USER” and extend the folder

18. Click “Software” and extend the folder

19. Remove all AMD and ATi Folders

20. Click “Wow6432Node” and extend the folder (Within the software folder)

21. Remove the “AMD” folder

22. Click “HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE” and extend the folder

23. Click “SOFTWARE” and extend the folder

24. Remove all AMD and ATi Folders

25. Click “Wow6432Node” and extend the folder

26. Remove all AMD and ATi Folders

27. Click “HKEY_USERS” and extend the folder

28. Click “.DEFAULT” and extend the folder

29. Click “Software” and extend the folder

30. Remove all AMD and ATi folders

31. Click “S-1-5-18” and extend the folder

32. Click “Software” and extend the folder

33. Remove all AMD and ATi folders

34. Click “S-1-5-21-1632250243-966907716-928185508-1000” and extend the folder

35. Click “Software” and extend the folder

36. Remove all AMD and ATi Folders

37. Close down regedit and empty your recycle bin

38. Undo the folder options change to hide the hidden folders

39. Reboot

40. Install your AMD/Nvidia drivers and reboot

This is about it.

Anything else I can help you with?
 
Extra edition to the NVIDIA drivers clean installation - do not install NVIDIA Audio driver as it will conflict with already installed Realtek audio driver (factory installed on Inspiron 570), I noticed problems, so I am now without NVIDIA Audio Drivers and everything works good.
 
OH YEAH! That's what I'm talkin' about!

The ASUS GTX650-E-2GD5 is extremely quite even with the cover off. With the cover on, Piriform's Speccy says the mb temp is hovering around 42-44 degrees Celsius while watching youtube videos. Now for why I wanted to upgrade from on-board video to a video card...

Using the exact same low to off settings in World of Tanks, here's the comparison:

  • On-Board ATI Video (FPS):
    ■ Typical: 9-18
    ■ Extremes: 3-24
  • New Asus Video Card (FPS):
    ■ Typical: 55-85
    ■ Extremes: 35-101 :ouch:
I'm excited with the new performance. Kisianik, I'll mark one of your early responses as the solution because it really did answer the original question.. "What video card will work with my system?"

Thanks again for all the help and patience.