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Hi all,
It's been a long time since I got engaged in this sort of thing, so please forgive the ignorance in advance.
I currently have a home PC that is just getting too long in the tooth. I have upgraded it to the max, I believe (I don't think I can run faster significantly faster RAM or CPU), and the HD is just too tiny for a primary.
  • OS: Windows 10 Home
  • MoBo: AsRock Z68 Pro3
  • CPU: Intel i7-2600K 3.4 GHz
  • Graphics: MSI GeForce GT 730 4GB PCIe (new 2 yrs ago)
  • RAM: Patriot Viper 3 8GBx2 DDR3 1600 (new 2 yrs ago)
  • Storage: Intel 510 120GB SSD, Samsung 1 TB 7200RPM, Seagate 2 TB backup
I built this computer in 2011, and with some upgrades here and there, it continues to work well.

With my last build, I was going to the level of detail of looking at throughput on the N & S bridges, and matching speeds of other components so that I was not buying unnecessarily fast pieces that could not operate at their max functionality due to inherent limitations elsewhere.

Why I need a new computer:
  • I am always running out of space on my primary HD
  • I can't video edit my GoPro clips (too slow, freezes)
  • It used to be quite a bit faster (shocker, I know)
What I want:
  • Reliability (I don't want to test the thermal limits of a heavily-OC'd CPU)
  • Upgradability
    • Opportunity for a significantly faster CPU when those get released and subsequently become cheaper, years down the road
      • Will need a chipset that is not at the end of its market life
    • Opportunity for larger and/or faster HDD when current choice inevitably becomes obsolete
  • Modularity (opportunity to flex for different and potentially unforeseeable computing needs in the future)
    • Will VR be compulsory?
    • I have 64 bit architecture now - will 128 bit be a thing in the future? Is it a thing already?
  • I am perfectly OK with any form factor I have a mid-tower right now
    • Quiet fans are a plus
    • Not too much heat production also nice, but maybe naive
  • Monitor support
    • Currently I have two 24" monitors @ 1920x1200 (part of a 4 monitor setup as the other 2 are for my work computer). I would like the option to run larger resolutions on larger monitors, like maybe a big, single monitor at 3840x1200? Or two at that resolution? Some headspace here would be nice.
  • Peripheral support
    • I have a DVD burner in there as my sole disc reader, which is fine. Hardly use it, but find I need it, on occasion
    • I have a built-in card reader for my MicroSD and Compact Flash cards, but I also have the same as an external with a Firewire connecting cable, so I can make that work if needed
  • WiFi internet?
    • Currently I use an ethernet cable for internet on this machine, but it would be convenient at times if I had the option for WiFi.
I use this computer for:
  • Work
    • MS Office (incl. Visio)
    • Zoom/Webex/Teams/etc.
  • Web browsing (LOTS of tabs)
  • Drafting/designing (currently AutoCAD LT, just for fun)
  • Adobe Suite (Lightroom > Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, hobby mostly)
  • Video editing (nothing heavy, just occasional GoPro edit)
What I don't like/need:
  • Corporate builds (i.e. Dell, because as much as I have had good luck with Dell Business machines, I prefer unbloated machines that are custom for my needs, and not beholden to them making a profit off their inferior hardware choices)
  • Ability to play games
  • Flashy case
    • I do like a professional/muted aesthetic if such a thing exists (like brushed steel, or wood, but black is fine, too)
Budget is flexible. I would like to find that sweetspot of best performance/$, avoiding the overpriced bleeding edge of speed, but I'm willing to spend if it gets me longevity, reliability, or future compatibility.

I think that's everything, but I'll update this post if/when additional information is required based on responses.
 
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2600K was fabulous in its day. I can understand staying with it.

Where will you buy? USA? Amazon? Newegg? Local store?

What is absolute top dollar for all parts total? Not wanting to go overboard would probably imply i7 for an Intel, not i9.

New generation stuff to be available within 60 days.

Reliability?? Don't knock yourself out chasing it. Quality control is er, ah, "modest".

Are you totally agnostic on the air cooling versus liquid cooling issue?

No overclocking intentions?

You'll have a tough time upgrading CPUs very far into the future unless you also change motherboards.

Maybe lean toward DDR5 RAM and motherboard unless budget says no.
 
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Hey there,

There are a lot of good builders here on Tom's. @Why_Me is my go to guy for these things. Knows his builds.

With that said, something like this from the AMD side :
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor ($384.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG X570S TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($229.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($239.93 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 24 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($1313.93 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 7000D AIRFLOW ATX Full Tower Case ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair HX1200 Platinum 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($240.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $3149.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-30 14:17 EDT-0400

This has a focus on gaming, and is a stellar multitisaker too.

On the Intel side, maybe something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor ($365.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z690 CARBON WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($349.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory ($166.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($239.93 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 24 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($1313.93 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 7000D AIRFLOW ATX Full Tower Case ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair HX1200 Platinum 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($240.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $3246.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-30 14:23 EDT-0400

These would both be pretty top end. You could argue about a 5950x instead of the 5800x 3D, but the 5800x3D is the better gamer.

You could also argue on both fronts that the next gen from both AMD and Intel are relasing this month and next. So it could be time to sit on a purchase. Budget is key though. At least you have a couple of ideas of what's achievable :)
 
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erikkellison said:
Hi all,
It's been a long time since I got engaged in this sort of thing, so please forgive the ignorance in advance.
I currently have a home PC that is just getting too long in the tooth. I have upgraded it to the max, I believe (I don't think I can run faster significantly faster RAM or CPU), and the HD is just too tiny for a primary.
  • OS: Windows 10 Home
  • MoBo: AsRock Z68 Pro3
  • CPU: Intel i7-2600K 3.4 GHz
  • Graphics: MSI GeForce GT 730 4GB PCIe (new 2 yrs ago)
  • RAM: Patriot Viper 3 8GBx2 DDR3 1600 (new 2 yrs ago)
  • Storage: Intel 510 120GB SSD, Samsung 1 TB 7200RPM, Seagate 2 TB backup
I built this computer in 2011, and with some upgrades here and there, it continues to work well.

With my last build, I was going to the level of detail of looking at throughput on the N & S bridges, and matching speeds of other components so that I was not buying unnecessarily fast pieces that could not operate at their max functionality due to inherent limitations elsewhere.

Why I need a new computer:
  • I am always running out of space on my primary HD
  • I can't video edit my GoPro clips (too slow, freezes)
  • It used to be quite a bit faster (shocker, I know)
What I want:
  • Reliability (I don't want to test the thermal limits of a heavily-OC'd CPU)
  • Upgradability
    • Opportunity for a significantly faster CPU when those get released and subsequently become cheaper, years down the road
      • Will need a chipset that is not at the end of its market life
    • Opportunity for larger and/or faster HDD when current choice inevitably becomes obsolete
  • Modularity (opportunity to flex for different and potentially unforeseeable computing needs in the future)
    • Will VR be compulsory?
    • I have 64 bit architecture now - will 128 bit be a thing in the future? Is it a thing already?
  • I am perfectly OK with any form factor I have a mid-tower right now
    • Quiet fans are a plus
    • Not too much heat production also nice, but maybe naive
  • Monitor support
    • Currently I have two 24" monitors @ 1920x1200 (part of a 4 monitor setup as the other 2 are for my work computer). I would like the option to run larger resolutions on larger monitors, like maybe a big, single monitor at 3840x1200? Or two at that resolution? Some headspace here would be nice.
  • Peripheral support
    • I have a DVD burner in there as my sole disc reader, which is fine. Hardly use it, but find I need it, on occasion
    • I have a built-in card reader for my MicroSD and Compact Flash cards, but I also have the same as an external with a Firewire connecting cable, so I can make that work if needed
  • WiFi internet?
    • Currently I use an ethernet cable for internet on this machine, but it would be convenient at times if I had the option for WiFi.
I use this computer for:
  • Work
    • MS Office (incl. Visio)
    • Zoom/Webex/Teams/etc.
  • Web browsing (LOTS of tabs)
  • Drafting/designing (currently AutoCAD LT, just for fun)
  • Adobe Suite (Lightroom > Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, hobby mostly)
  • Video editing (nothing heavy, just occasional GoPro edit)
What I don't like/need:
  • Corporate builds (i.e. Dell, because as much as I have had good luck with Dell Business machines, I prefer unbloated machines that are custom for my needs, and not beholden to them making a profit off their inferior hardware choices)
  • Ability to play games
  • Flashy case
    • I do like a professional/muted aesthetic if such a thing exists (like brushed steel, or wood, but black is fine, too)
Budget is flexible. I would like to find that sweetspot of best performance/$, avoiding the overpriced bleeding edge of speed, but I'm willing to spend if it gets me longevity, reliability, or future compatibility.

I think that's everything, but I'll update this post if/when additional information is required based on responses.
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What is your budget and what country are you located?
 
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Where will you buy? USA? Amazon? Newegg? Local store?
  • Newegg. I'm in WA state.
What is absolute top dollar for all parts total? Not wanting to go overboard would probably imply i7 for an Intel, not i9.
  • I really don't want to spend more than $5k, but that # is totally arbitrary. Don't think it of as a hard budget... it's more of a functional budget. If I'm going to get something special out of i9 over i7, and that costs more, OK.
New generation stuff to be available within 60 days.
  • I'm guessing you mean there's a new series/standard coming in 60 days. That's acceptable. I'm in no huge hurry, but the sooner, the better, I suppose. I'm OK waiting if it means I get on the next standard.
Are you totally agnostic on the air cooling versus liquid cooling issue?
  • Pretty much. If it's not risky, kinda "set-and-forget," liquid is fine, especially if it's quieter and/or generates less heat
No overclocking intentions?
  • I mean... let's not rule anything out, but I'm not trying to eek every last bit of performance. I have overdone it before. I want this stuff to last.
You'll have a tough time upgrading CPUs very far into the future unless you also change motherboards.
  • How on earth was I able to stick with the same MoBo for over a decade? I'd like to shoot for that... is there a new standard chipset that is coming out soon?
Maybe lean toward DDR5 RAM and motherboard unless budget says no.
  • I don't know what that is, but I'm guessing it's a new faster bandwidth of RAM? This sort of suggestion sounds like a good place to spend money.
 
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erikkellison said:
Where will you buy? USA? Amazon? Newegg? Local store?
  • Newegg. I'm in WA state.
What is absolute top dollar for all parts total? Not wanting to go overboard would probably imply i7 for an Intel, not i9.
  • I really don't want to spend more than $5k, but that # is totally arbitrary. Don't think it of as a hard budget... it's more of a functional budget. If I'm going to get something special out of i9 over i7, and that costs more, OK.
New generation stuff to be available within 60 days.
  • I'm guessing you mean there's a new series/standard coming in 60 days. That's acceptable. I'm in no huge hurry, but the sooner, the better, I suppose. I'm OK waiting if it means I get on the next standard.
Are you totally agnostic on the air cooling versus liquid cooling issue?
  • Pretty much. If it's not risky, kinda "set-and-forget," liquid is fine, especially if it's quieter and/or generates less heat
No overclocking intentions?
  • I mean... let's not rule anything out, but I'm not trying to eek every last bit of performance. I have overdone it before. I want this stuff to last.
You'll have a tough time upgrading CPUs very far into the future unless you also change motherboards.
  • How on earth was I able to stick with the same MoBo for over a decade? I'd like to shoot for that... is there a new standard chipset that is coming out soon?
Maybe lean toward DDR5 RAM and motherboard unless budget says no.
  • I don't know what that is, but I'm guessing it's a new faster bandwidth of RAM? This sort of suggestion sounds like a good place to spend money.
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I would look at my build above I don't think spending more is needed.
 
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Both AMD and Intel will release new CPU series within 60 days. Advantage to you unknown for certain, but perhaps 10 percent. New Intel motherboards introduced about the same time.

Yeah; DDR 5 is the new deal. Your budget and inclination to stay with parts a long time indicates you would want it. Question would be 32 GB or 64 GB.

Severe diminishing returns for i9, but if budget allows, maybe you reach for that with the last 300 bucks?

Liquid not quieter and likely not more durable. Conceivably an advantage you live with on an i9, particularly if you are antsy about temps. Probably not if not antsy barring an extreme workload.

You were semi-lucky on having a decade motherboard life, but you could not have upgraded to a much stronger CPU on that board.....due to changing motherboard socket requirements.

"Not trying to eke out every last bit of performance".....implies no overclocking. It is less advantageous now than 10 years ago due to how current generation CPUs react when you stand on the throttle.
 
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From the like of the 2 3K builds above.
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Still your question makes no sense, just saying. He asked a question for something that really should have been in the OP, to begin with. I do agree, as this system doesn't isn't going to be used for serious work, it doesn't need to be $3k+. If buying today, I would do something more like this. The 2060 KO uses a cut down 2080 chip, which can really help in rendering tasks. Even for a hobby machine, a competent GPU isn't a terrible idea.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor ($342.98 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assasin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($116.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($210.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB KO ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($87.59 @ Newegg Sellers)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P6 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ EVGA)
Total: $1354.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-08-30 17:04 EDT-0400

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUFRBnJdx3Y
 
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What is your build time frame?
You asked for direction, so here are my thoughts.
New gen processors are coming out in a Month or so.
How good do you need to be?

Expect to see something like 15% price/performance improvements.
But, if you want to build now, you can do very well with current gen products.
On the cpu side, your I7-2600K has 8 processing threads and a passmark rating of 5496. That is when all 8 threads are fully busy. The single thread performance rating is 1740.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-2600K+@+3.40GHz&id=868
Bear in mind that passmark benchmark submissions will have many from overclocked systems.
For general quickness, the single thread performance is what matters most.
On your I7-2600k, run the cpu-z bench test and look at the single thread rating.
You should get a number around 365.
Here is a list of what other processors can do:
http://valid.x86.fr/bench/w0y4xl
I might suggest that the I3-12100 would be an inexpensive and big upgrade. It has about 2x the capability of youri7-2600K

The I3/I5/I7/I9 designations no longer mean what they used to, namely how many cores and the presence of hyperthreading.
Today, it is more of a general power category.

The K suffix does designate cpu overclocking capability and generally a notch higher turbo capability.
In practice chips are now binned and the opportunity to get something for nothing via overclocking is mostly gone. It is better to let the normal turbo boost mechanism increase the clock of a few cores than to try an all core overclock.

Significant boosts in cpu capability will be accompanied by new motherboards and chipsets.
The upcoming amd processors will need new chipsets and ddr4 ram.
Intel 13th gen processors will also come with new chipsets, but will run just fine on current lga1700 motherboards.
Processors rarely fail. The most likely component to fail is an aio cooler.
Next most likely is a motherboard.

New processors do not get cheaper; they simply give you more performance for the money.
The used market is a different matter.

On ram, buy enough. It never hurts. If you have many tabs open, particularly Chrome, buy a 2 x 16gb ram kit.
Today, DDR4 and DDR5 perform similarly. DDR4 is more expensive.
Intel does well with most any speed ram. Ryzen depends on fast ram for performance. Think 3600 speed.

On graphics, I think you can abandon your GT730. It has a passmark rating of only 818:
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+730&id=2906
The UHD730 integrated graphics of the i3-12100 is twice that:
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Intel+UHD+730&id=4379
Most motherboards will have one DP output and one HDMI output.
If you need more, or if you need dvi or vga then you will want a discrete graphics card. 12th gen intel will run on any LGA1700 motherboard.
Here is a link as to what the different chipsets give you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1700
For most, a B660 motherboard will be a bit less expensive.
If you are looking at high end processors, Z690 motherboards will have more robust vrm cooling and will allow cpu overclocking.
All will have wifi in the chipset, but some lower cost motherboards will not implement tit.


VR is a specialized app which you may or may not want.
Research it if you are interested, the hardware requirements are in flux.

I see no future change from 64 bit processing. 32 bit is on the way out.

Most new cases today do not include a space for front panel hardware like a dvd drive.
I use a Cooler Master HAF XB EVO case which does:
https://www.newegg.com/black-cooler-master-haf-series-atx-desktop/p/N82E16811119265
To find others, go to newegg and apply a filter for front bays.
 
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erikkellison said:
  • Drafting/designing (currently AutoCAD LT, just for fun)
  • Adobe Suite (Lightroom > Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, hobby mostly)
  • Video editing (nothing heavy, just occasional GoPro edit)
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Well, irrespective of all the other things involved here, for these 3 reasons alone, make sure you get as much ram (32GB min) as you can afford and a GPU with 10-16GB of vram .... you will be glad you did, both in terms of performance but also longevity/upgradability/resell values !

My last company made the mistake of buying over 150 CAD/video rendering machines with only 16Gb of ram and mickey-mouse-level 6GB gpu's, and were immediately flooded with a massive hate mail campaign from every single user the very next day.....

I told the IT director (somebody I knew for years before joining the company) not to buy that crap, but he did not listen, and lost his job over the fiasco that ensued....

"Friends don't let friends buy or work on subpar computers" !
 
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Nighthawk117 said:
This is true if your buying used, this is often not the case buying new. If you think you might need more power I would buy the best CPU you can now if you can, you can grow into it later.
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Sorry for the confusion with this statement - what I mean to say is that in the future, years down the road, faster processors will be released. And a year or three later, they will be significantly cheaper than when they were released as they are, at that time, obsolete, but still significantly faster than that which I chose for the original build. It's not critical that I save such money - rather just a nice perk, especially if I'm on a format that has since become obsolete.
 
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As others have pointed out, both AMD and Intel are releasing new lines of cpu's later next month but if I were to run that build today I'd do something like this down below. That Asus graphics card includes two HDMI ports and three display ports along with 12GB of RAM. I didn't include a case in this build seeing how that's more of a personal choice.

https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-sf-650f14hg-650w/p/1HU-024C-00007
Super Flower Leadex III 650W 80+ Gold 10 Year Warranty, Full Modular Power Supply $84.99

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Motherboard-Type-C-ThunderboltTM-Lighting/dp/B09J1SD9J2
ASUS Prime Z690-A $269.99

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NPHHSZ1
Intel Core i7-12700 $342.98

https://www.amazon.com/Scythe-Cooler-LGA1700-LGA1151-Towers/dp/B09NZGH4RD/
Scythe Fuma 2 Rev.B CPU Cooler $65.99

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820236828
CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 5600 32GB (2x16GB) CL36 $169.99 + $3 off w/ promo code W7BBV3Z257, limited offer

O/S (Windows) SSD

PNY XLR8 CS3030 500GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen3 x4 Internal SSD $39.99

Storage SSD

PNY XLR8 CS3030 2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen3 x4 Internal SSD $160.24

ASUS TUF Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 V2 12GB Graphics Card $447.74

https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-11-USB/dp/B09V6R9QZZ/
Microsoft Windows 11 (USB) $139.00

Total: $1717.91 inc shipping & promo code

A better look at those components.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/PRIME/PRIME-Z690-A/

https://www.scytheus.com/fuma2-rev-b


https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboard...-Cards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-RTX3060-O12G-V2-GAMING/

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...12700-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

www.techspot.com

Intel Core i7-12700 + Intel B660 Review

Today we have a combo review of all-new Intel hardware, our first look at the affordable Intel B660 platform, the non-K Core i7-12700 and Intel's latest box...
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I don't want to flood this young thread, but I really have to say that I'm quite impressed with the support and feedback so far. I have some digesting of what has been said so far, but please, feel free to continue to contribute while I play catch-up.
Thanks!!
 
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erikkellison said:
Sorry for the confusion with this statement - what I mean to say is that in the future, years down the road, faster processors will be released. And a year or three later, they will be significantly cheaper than when they were released as they are, at that time, obsolete, but still significantly faster than that which I chose for the original build. It's not critical that I save such money - rather just a nice perk, especially if I'm on a format that has since become obsolete.
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Bare in mind on Intel there are only 2 supported generations on one socket. 12th and 13th gen are supported on LGA 1700 and the latter will be available in October. A few years from now they probably won't be particularly good value. In my experience Intel CPU's hold their value even if something much better is available.

You would most likely find a new mid range CPU and motherboard will be far more cost effective than upgrades on the same platform.
 
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erikkellison said:
.....................what I mean to say is that in the future, years down the road, faster processors will be released. And a year or three later, they will be significantly cheaper than when they were released............
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Less true than you might think.

In my experience, discounts on older processors don't get much beyond what you might have seen on a good "Black Friday" sale when they were still the cat's meow.

If $270 is typical, maybe you see 230.

Then they may disappear entirely other than on the used market. You'd never see $170 for "new old stock" at standard retailers. Like you'd have a tough time buying a "new" 2019 Chevy today.


Regardless.....you don't have much chance of putting a 2025 era CPU on a board you purchase next month. Socket no can do. You'd likely have to buy a new board.

You say you are perfectly OK with 5000 total.

If that is so, I'd at least reach out to the 2500 to 3000 level, spending the last 500 to 1000 on those specific parts that would do you the most good for your specific tasks. Where that would be is up for discussion.
 
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Inthrutheoutdoor said:
Well, irrespective of all the other things involved here, for these 3 reasons alone, make sure you get as much ram (32GB min) as you can afford and a GPU with 10-16GB of vram .... you will be glad you did, both in terms of performance but also longevity/upgradability/resell values !

My last company made the mistake of buying over 150 CAD/video rendering machines with only 16Gb of ram and mickey-mouse-level 6GB gpu's, and were immediately flooded with a massive hate mail campaign from every single user the very next day.....

I told the IT director (somebody I knew for years before joining the company) not to buy that crap, but he did not listen, and lost his job over the fiasco that ensued....

"Friends don't let friends buy or work on subpar computers" !
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There is a difference here. The OP is doing this for fun or as a hobby. Your company was using systems, that were involved in making money, one way or another.
 
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Roland Of Gilead said:
Hey there,
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This has a focus on gaming, and is a stellar multitisaker too.
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These would both be pretty top end. You could argue about a 5950x instead of the 5800x 3D, but the 5800x3D is the better gamer.
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I have to ask - how would your recommendations change knowing that I don't care about and have no intention to play any games? Like seriously - the last video game I played was Halo. Where can I downgrade the components knowing I won't need that level of video processing? Or do I still need it because I want to CAD and video edit?
 
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Zerk2012 said:
Don't tell me you think he needs to spend 3200 like the guy above.
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I don't think the OP needs to spend this much. I've simply given 'a' build to give an idea of a couple of what you can get. Yes, the OP said performance/$ is relavant, but also that they were willing to spend to get longevity.

I've also suggested there are other builders who would come up with other machine/options.

Different horses for different courses!
 
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