Question Need help setting ram to rated speeds.

[pabloxavez]

Hello everyone, I'm kind of new to this, I bought this set of ram some time ago: https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/20c502_0f363e2c540748d084884ac390903fcc.pdf and I have been having some trouble trying to overclock it to 2933 mhz.
This is my system as shown in the bios:

https://imgur.com/a/w3gkfjc

View: https://imgur.com/a/w3gkfjc

both XMP profiles seem to fail, I have tried every single thing and watched every video about timings and cant seem to find a solution to my problem.

The highest I managed to go was 2667 with 14-16-16-16-34 and 1.36v of vram voltage. Higher than that, all games crash after 3 or so minutes suddenly.
This is the compatibility list for my mobo: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-GAMING-PLUS#support-mem-12
And this is my power supply model: http://www.tooq.com/product.php?id=1497

Does anybody know what my problem is? Thanks in advance for the help!

 

[thx1138v2]

According to the MSI site anything above 2400 is considered overclocking. As such, overclocking is outside the guaranteed parameters:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350-GAMING-PLUS/Specification

And even 2667 is considered overclocking so you have attained some overclocking. The speeds advertised by the DRAM manufacturer don't mean every motherboard will reach those speeds. It's just a measure of what the DRAM is capable of. That doesn't include the motherboard.

 

[pabloxavez]

According to the MSI site anything above 2400 is considered overclocking. As such, overclocking is outside the guaranteed parameters:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350-GAMING-PLUS/Specification

And even 2667 is considered overclocking so you have attained some overclocking. The speeds advertised by the DRAM manufacturer don't mean every motherboard will reach those speeds. It's just a measure of what the DRAM is capable of. That doesn't include the motherboard.

Ohhh I see, so is there no workaround to make it stable at 2933 in this case? I have heard having a ryzen 5 I should aim for the highest possible ram speed as it performs better that way, I don't know if that's true.

 

[boju]

Your ram should be able to run at 3000+.

If xmp isn't working, try manually adjusting speed, timings and voltage. 3000/ 16.18.18.36 / 1.35v.

Update bios if manual doesn't work.

 

[pabloxavez]

Your ram should be able to run at 3000+.

If xmp isn't working, try manually adjusting speed, timings and voltage. 3000/ 16.18.18.36 / 1.35v.

Update bios if manual doesn't work.

I have tried that, my bios is on the latest update, but it keeps crashing games or even not booting into windows

 

[boju]

Try set ProcODT to 60ohms.

I don't know exactly what ProcODT does but do know people have played around with this to get ram stable. Was trying to search where this bios setting is before posting if you want to try, it's in memory timings menu i think. Found this video to help.

From about 4mins he'll explain a few things about Ryzen memory overclocking and PocODT from 6:30.

 

[pabloxavez]

Try set ProcODT to 60ohms.

I don't know exactly what ProcODT does but do know people have played around with this to get ram stable. Was trying to search where this bios setting is before posting if you want to try, it's in memory timings menu i think. Found this video to help.

From about 4mins he'll explain a few things about Ryzen memory overclocking and PocODT from 6:30.

Thanks for the reply and the video! I tried this but it crashed even with that setting set to 60 ohms I have also changed the voltage from 1.35 (rated) to 1.36, 37 and 38 (with 38 seeming to last longer but crashes the same way every game.
I also changed command rate from Auto to 1 (no luck) and to 2 no luck)

 

[boju]

Looks like the motherboard isn't liking the memory. Early gen Ryzen's were fussy with memory using certain types of IC chips. Common IC chips (Those black chips soldered on the stick) used on various memory brands can be Hynix, Micron and Samsung to name a few. Bios updates addressing the Agesa code fixed lot of the compatibility issues Ryzen had with ram running faster than standard Jedec profile.

Overclocking the cpu a bit, adding more voltage to help the cpu's memory controller can help.

Plan B to look into, replace memory modules with those using Samsung B-die IC chips. Most if not all CL 14 & 15 ram use Samsung which Ryzen likes best and less hassles running higher speeds. Higher CL timing ram are more common to use different IC chips i mentioned earlier.

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

 

[pabloxavez]

Looks like the motherboard isn't liking the memory. Early gen Ryzen's were fussy with memory using certain types of IC chips. Common IC chips (Those black chips soldered on the stick) used on various memory brands can be Hynix, Micron and Samsung to name a few. Bios updates addressing the Agesa code fixed lot of the compatibility issues Ryzen had with ram running faster than standard Jedec profile.

Overclocking the cpu a bit, adding more voltage to help the cpu's memory controller can help.

Plan B to look into, replace memory modules with those using Samsung B-die IC chips. Most if not all CL 14 & 15 ram use Samsung which Ryzen likes best and less hassles running higher speeds. Higher CL timing ram are more common to use different IC chips i mentioned earlier.

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

Thanks so much for your reply and time Boju
I will look into how to overclock the cpu as I have never done it and how high I can go while being safe and see if that gets me better results.

 

[boju]

Your welcome and good luck.

I would help you with overclocking the cpu but i wouldn't know exactly which settings for Ryzen are involved besides vcore. There's plenty of guides out there though.

Keep an eye on cpu temps

 

[AMDynamic]

I couldn't get mine to run properly at first. I reset bios to defaults and ram was reading 2133.

After that I checked enable XMP and a drop down list appeared I chose the 2400 setting and saved and exit.

The went back into bios and disabled XMP and set speed to 2933 and moved voltage from the 1.26 to 1.35 also setting sub timings to 16 16 16 36 and seems to work.

In your case if you have 3000 ram what options does it give on xmp list

 

[pabloxavez]

Your welcome and good luck.

I would help you with overclocking the cpu but i wouldn't know exactly which settings for Ryzen are involved besides vcore. There's plenty of guides out there though.

Keep an eye on cpu temps

Hello again Boju, I did some overclocking to the cpu following this guide

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZpYBdKdjBE&t=

I managed to maintain 3.9ghz (base is 3.4) following the guide in the video and it seems speed and temps are stable.
Still no luck getting to 2933 or even 2800 without crashing in every game or ram tests, the higher it can go is 2667, BUT I felt games last longer without crashing if I increase voltage from 1.35 (rated) to 1.37 or 1.38, I don't know how high I can go without damaging the ram long-term

 

[pabloxavez]

I couldn't get mine to run properly at first. I reset bios to defaults and ram was reading 2133.

After that I checked enable XMP and a drop down list appeared I chose the 2400 setting and saved and exit.

The went back into bios and disabled XMP and set speed to 2933 and moved voltage from the 1.26 to 1.35 also setting sub timings to 16 16 16 36 and seems to work.

In your case if you have 3000 ram what options does it give on xmp list

Hmmmm I might look into resetting the whole bios maybe that will give me a kind of restart into this whole matter, my two xmp profiles are 2800 and 2933 but both of them crashes my game, I have also a list called "Memory-Try it!" which lets me choose from a list of many frequencies with their own timings, like 2933 16-16-16-36, 2933 18-18-18-38 and so on, but anything higher than 2667 14-16-16-34 (or 36, don't remember) will cause crashes
Thanks for the reply!

 

[boju]

If nothing else works think you should go for a set of Samsung bdie Gskill cl14 3200 ram. I dont think your motherboard is liking the Patriots.