Need help with Gaming pc Build .

[yaboymartin]

CPU-Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504- $200

MotherBoard-GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H LGA http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544- $140

GPU-GeForce GTX 770 2GB -http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121770-$370

Memory-G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231672 - $170

Storage-Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=22-148-834&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo- $100

SSD-Kingston SSDNow V300 Series SV300S37A/120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721107 - $90

Optical drive-SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151267-$17

Operating system- Windows 8-$100

Total-$1170

I know im missing a power supply and a case , does anyone recommend a case and i don't know how to calculate how much power i need , sorry im new to this . Lastly can anyone let me know if all the components are compatible with witch each other ? thank you !

 

[mikestogy]

Yes, all of those will work together in tandem. I have pretty much the exact same build, except different model ram, and an i7 4770k, and another gtx 770. the GTX 770 is a beast, you will easily be able to max out stuff like BF4. Totally recommend this build. I personally never used a i5 3570k, but I imagine its very good for the price, and stock cooling should be more than enough. As for a case, I would suggest the HAF X by Coolermaster. Awesome case with toolless design, plenty of space, and AWESOME air flow. Not to mention it looks magnificent. Here's a link; http://www.frys.com/product/6273980?source=googleps&gclid=CPH9s9Kn17sCFeo9QgodKi0A0w. I also have this case and there is more than enough room for a 240mm water cooler if you ever decide to go that route, it also supports one SSD so that's good for you. As for the PSU, I would say a 1000watt gold certified FULLY MODULAR PSU, so if you ever decide to do sli with the 770/overclocking/water cooling you have plenty of head room. Something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/301008703335?lpid=82

Have any questions, feel free to ask. Sorry if this didnt help too much, rather new to the whole forums thing. Cheers, and good luck.

 

[Jameson Clark]

First of all use this site to keep all your build ideas in one place: pcpartpicker.com it will give you estimates on how much power your build will max consume at stock as well as a compatability checker although done completely trust either one. Power wise I would say 750 to 850 watts will be enough even f you OC and sli in the future but 1000W would be more efficient. Case wise the one I went with for a very similar build was the rosewill blackhawk, lots of fans and airflow for a mid tower case. One more suggestion would be to get some sort of CPU cooler like the hyper 212 evo since you have an overclocking CPU and mobo you will want better than the stock heat sink

 

[endeavour37a]

You have a very nice build going on there. Just a couple suggestions if your open to them.

I would go for some 1866 memory say at CL9 or even CL8, it would save you some money and you will not see much difference in performance, most 1866 quality stuff OCs to 2000 anyway. In gaming the memory is not a bottleneck much anymore and 1866 is a good bang for the buck price wise, not much more than 1600.

I always recommend a CPU cooler, the stock one is just not that good, why buy a "k" CPU and not OC it, you won't get far with the one it comes with. Most here recommend the CM 212 EVO as an entry level cooler that works really well. They just did a build here using a Enermax ETS-T40-TB and it looks pretty good and performed really good, for $35 it seems to be a great buy.

I like the Fractal Design ARC Midi R2 case, it is a mid size yet can hold anything you want to stuff in it, as far as water cooling it can pretty much fit everything you want including all the 140 and 280mm stuff. It is a simple design, not flashy at a very good price.

If you don't add another 770 in SLI then a good 650-700W PS in a Gold rating would do you fine, if you plan on SLI with perhaps 3 screens down the road then perhaps 750-850W is what you would want to get now, also in a Gold rating. XFX, SeaSonic, Antec, Corsair are all good brands you can count on.

 

[endeavour37a]

Just wanted to add this to my comment, it never ever hurts to have extra power, no such thing as too much power for a stable system. In the comments above they recommend larger PSUs, that is always a good thing. The numbers I gave you is what will work, but having some extra juice is icing on the cake and will not tax your PS as much.

Your set up with a pair of 770s in SLI should draw close to 649W when Oced, just for reference. So I guess I would add 50W to my recommendations on a PS to be on the safe longevity side. More than that I don't really feel is needed.

 

[yaboymartin]

You have a very nice build going on there. Just a couple suggestions if your open to them.

I would go for some 1866 memory say at CL9 or even CL8, it would save you some money and you will not see much difference in performance, most 1866 quality stuff OCs to 2000 anyway. In gaming the memory is not a bottleneck much anymore and 1866 is a good bang for the buck price wise, not much more than 1600.

I always recommend a CPU cooler, the stock one is just not that good, why buy a "k" CPU and not OC it, you won't get far with the one it comes with. Most here recommend the CM 212 EVO as an entry level cooler that works really well. They just did a build here using a Enermax ETS-T40-TB and it looks pretty good and performed really good, for $35 it seems to be a great buy.

I like the Fractal Design ARC Midi R2 case, it is a mid size yet can hold anything you want to stuff in it, as far as water cooling it can pretty much fit everything you want including all the 140 and 280mm stuff. It is a simple design, not flashy at a very good price.

If you don't add another 770 in SLI then a good 650-700W PS in a Gold rating would do you fine, if you plan on SLI with perhaps 3 screens down the road then perhaps 750-850W is what you would want to get now, also in a Gold rating. XFX, SeaSonic, Antec, Corsair are all good brands you can count on.

thank you so much for your suggestions , i am very excited on building my first PC ! what are the benefits of running a pair of 770's in comparison to just 1 ? isn't one 770 enough to run games on ultra ? also does my motherboard support 2 gpus or if later if i decide to upgrade will i have to buy a new motherboard ? and do i really need 16Gb of ram or is 8 enough ? could you list any links for the Ram that you suggested for me please as i don't know which ones really give me a good value for my money. i know its alot of questions but you've been a great help , thanks dude !

 

[Jameson Clark]

You only need 8 gb of ram and it is one of the easiest components to upgrade later on if you want to. Also ram prices are really high right now so that's another reason to stick with 8 gb. As for sli vs single 770 here's. A link to some comparison benchmarks. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1037?vs=1064 for right now though get the most powerful single gpu you can afford then later on go with sli when your performance isn't what you want it to be anymore. That mobo will handle 2 gpus fine

 

[endeavour37a]

Your welcome, building your own rig is pretty fun and I think you will enjoy doing it. It really gives a leg up knowing how everything works together instead of buying a box off the shelf and having no idea what makes it tick.

If your running a single screen then one 770 will be all you need, it's a powerful card and you'll be able to max most everything out. Say in a year or so games come out you want to play that need more graphic performance a good upgrade path is to just add a second card of the same type to SLI them together, instead of getting a new more powerful and expensive card, it's cheaper and will give you more performance for the dollar. Or if you want to add a couple more screens to game on 3 then SLI really shines in that area. So 1 is just fine for now, but you will have the option open later down the road (if you get a PS that can handle SLI now, you would not need to change it later).

The MB will handle SLI just fine, it has two PCIe 3.0 slots for 2 graphics cards, when you are running just one it runs it on 16 lanes, if you add another it runs them with 8 lanes each. 8 lanes are plenty of bandwidth for a 770 and they would run great. A pair of 770s should give you better frame rates than the latest and greatest 780Ti. But I think all you need is just 1 for right now.

For gaming all you will need is 8GB, I was suggesting 16GB generally because memory was pretty cheap, but now the prices have really went up so perhaps 8GB will be better to save some cash, you can always add later on if needed for video rendering if you get into doing that. The 1866 is not that much more than 1600 and it OCs a bit better. They just did a build here with some G.Skill 1866 and got it up to 2133 by dropping the timing from 9 to 10. Low profile sticks will avoid problems with large CPU coolers, so I sort of suggest them, the stuff does not get that hot anyway.

Maybe something like these would do a good job for you

G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231460

G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-1866C9D-8GAB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231550

or some CL8 stuff that is a little faster but has larger fins on them, the cooler yu are getting is not that big and should not be a problem with these...

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL8D-8GBXM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231538

Hope this answers your questions OK.....

 

[yaboymartin]

You only need 8 gb of ram and it is one of the easiest components to upgrade later on if you want to. Also ram prices are really high right now so that's another reason to stick with 8 gb. As for sli vs single 770 here's. A link to some comparison benchmarks. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1037?vs=1064 for right now though get the most powerful single gpu you can afford then later on go with sli when your performance isn't what you want it to be anymore. That mobo will handle 2 gpus fine

does my mobo support 4 sticks of ram or 2 ? and whats better (2x4gb) or (1x8gb) i would prefer 1x8gb because ill have more ram capacity if later i decide to upgrade . i will also be getting a 1000W Psu , because i plan on upgrading to a water cooler , and sli ; is it possible to run a cpu cooling fan and a water cooler at the same time ? thanks for your help.

 

[yaboymartin]

Your welcome, building your own rig is pretty fun and I think you will enjoy doing it. It really gives a leg up knowing how everything works together instead of buying a box off the shelf and having no idea what makes it tick.

If your running a single screen then one 770 will be all you need, it's a powerful card and you'll be able to max most everything out. Say in a year or so games come out you want to play that need more graphic performance a good upgrade path is to just add a second card of the same type to SLI them together, instead of getting a new more powerful and expensive card, it's cheaper and will give you more performance for the dollar. Or if you want to add a couple more screens to game on 3 then SLI really shines in that area. So 1 is just fine for now, but you will have the option open later down the road (if you get a PS that can handle SLI now, you would not need to change it later).

The MB will handle SLI just fine, it has two PCIe 3.0 slots for 2 graphics cards, when you are running just one it runs it on 16 lanes, if you add another it runs them with 8 lanes each. 8 lanes are plenty of bandwidth for a 770 and they would run great. A pair of 770s should give you better frame rates than the latest and greatest 780Ti. But I think all you need is just 1 for right now.

For gaming all you will need is 8GB, I was suggesting 16GB generally because memory was pretty cheap, but now the prices have really went up so perhaps 8GB will be better to save some cash, you can always add later on if needed for video rendering if you get into doing that. The 1866 is not that much more than 1600 and it OCs a bit better. They just did a build here with some G.Skill 1866 and got it up to 2133 by dropping the timing from 9 to 10. Low profile sticks will avoid problems with large CPU coolers, so I sort of suggest them, the stuff does not get that hot anyway.

Maybe something like these would do a good job for you

G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231460

G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-1866C9D-8GAB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231550

or some CL8 stuff that is a little faster but has larger fins on them, the cooler yu are getting is not that big and should not be a problem with these...

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL8D-8GBXM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231538

Hope this answers your questions OK.....

Yeah i decided ill get a 1000W psu just incase when i upgrade to sli , and heres the same questions i asked "Jameson Clark" does my mobo support 4 sticks of ram or 2 ? and whats better (2x4gb) or (1x8gb) i would prefer 1x8gb because ill have more ram capacity if later i decide to upgrade . i will also be getting a 1000W Psu , because i plan on upgrading to a water cooler , and sli ; is it possible to run a cpu cooling fan and a water cooler at the same time ? thanks for your help. i want to hear a different range of opinions , thanks alot

 

[endeavour37a]

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does my mobo support 4 sticks of ram or 2 ? and whats better (2x4gb) or (1x8gb) i would prefer 1x8gb because ill have more ram capacity if later i decide to upgrade . i will also be getting a 1000W Psu , because i plan on upgrading to a water cooler , and sli ; is it possible to run a cpu cooling fan and a water cooler at the same time ? thanks for your help.
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Yes your MB has 4 RAM slots, 2 x 4GB is best for you right now. You don't want just one 8GB stick, you would be losing 50% of your memory system performance that way. Your CPU has a duel channel memory controller in it, it's made to handle 2 banks of memory, that is why you want to have at least 2 sticks in your rig. If you stick in 4 sticks then each controller will handle 2 sticks.

It is not necessary to add 1000W PS for WCing, the pump and fans do not take that much power, a high quality 850W in a Gold rating is all that you would need. But if you feel better with a 1k PS then by all means get one, you will never have to worry about the juice

 

[endeavour37a]

Just a bit more on memory, your chipset will only address 32GB of main memory. With that in mind, if you think you will ever need 32GB in the future then get 2 x 8GB (16GB) now, then you could add another 16GB later to max out your MB.

I don't understand your question about running a CPU air and water together?

 

[yaboymartin]

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does my mobo support 4 sticks of ram or 2 ? and whats better (2x4gb) or (1x8gb) i would prefer 1x8gb because ill have more ram capacity if later i decide to upgrade . i will also be getting a 1000W Psu , because i plan on upgrading to a water cooler , and sli ; is it possible to run a cpu cooling fan and a water cooler at the same time ? thanks for your help.
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Yes your MB has 4 RAM slots, 2 x 4GB is best for you right now. You don't want just one 8GB stick, you would be losing 50% of your memory system performance that way. Your CPU has a duel channel memory controller in it, it's made to handle 2 banks of memory, that is why you want to have at least 2 sticks in your rig. If you stick in 4 sticks then each controller will handle 2 sticks.

It is not necessary to add 1000W PS for WCing, the pump and fans do not take that much power, a high quality 850W in a Gold rating is all that you would need. But if you feel better with a 1k PS then by all means get one, you will never have to worry about the juice

yeah i dont think ill ever need 32Gb of ram so ill go 2 x 4Gb than upgrade to 4 x 4Gb , and im saying if you have a water cooler , do you need a cpu fan ? or can you run both at the same time ?

 

[endeavour37a]

Yes getting 2x4 now then another 2x4 later is the smart way to go. The only reason a person would need 32GB of RAM is if they were doing professional video rendering and 3D CAD work, in our world 16GB is the sweet spot that will let us multi-task to our hearts delight and do all the hobbies graphics work we will ever need to.

Aside: there is also the issue of 4 high capacity sticks in getting a stable timing worked out. If you needed 32GB, I would suggest you buy them now in a matched set with a better MB that has "T" etch topography instead of "serial" that your MB is using. Or move up to a X79 platform with a quad memory controller.

On WCing, you can go water or air on your CPU, but not both. Think about it, how could you physically mount 2 coolers on 1 CPU?

You can WC the CPU and use air on your GPUs (like a lot of people do with AIO set ups) or water the whole rig down. Would you like to talk about WCing?

 

[yaboymartin]

Yes getting 2x4 now then another 2x4 later is the smart way to go. The only reason a person would need 32GB of RAM is if they were doing professional video rendering and 3D CAD work, in our world 16GB is the sweet spot that will let us multi-task to our hearts delight and do all the hobbies graphics work we will ever need to.

Aside: there is also the issue of 4 high capacity sticks in getting a stable timing worked out. If you needed 32GB, I would suggest you buy them now in a matched set with a better MB that has "T" etch topography instead of "serial" that your MB is using. Or move up to a X79 platform with a quad memory controller.

On WCing, you can go water or air on your CPU, but not both. Think about it, how could you physically mount 2 coolers on 1 CPU?

You can WC the CPU and use air on your GPUs (like a lot of people do with AIO set ups) or water the whole rig down. Would you like to talk about WCing?

yeah please tell me about WCing , i wont need watercooling with 1 gpu right ? i should just wait till i get 2 770's right ?

 

[endeavour37a]

Well it all depends on how you want to go, there are a few options. I assume you have never put together a water loop. If not then I would hesitate in recommending a custom loop for a first time builder, sort of need to get your feet wet before you dive into something complex. The basic idea is pretty simple but you need to be a bit careful with water, it can damage stuff of course.

There are some good starter kits from XSPC to get going, they are more or less a parts package with everything you need to cool your CPU, they sell at a good price and a good starting point to expand on.

Or you could get an AIO sealed unit to start off with for your CPU and just run your graphics on the cooler it comes with, your links to your parts do not seem to be working, what graphics card are you getting?

 

[yaboymartin]

Well it all depends on how you want to go, there are a few options. I assume you have never put together a water loop. If not then I would hesitate in recommending a custom loop for a first time builder, sort of need to get your feet wet before you dive into something complex. The basic idea is pretty simple but you need to be a bit careful with water, it can damage stuff of course.

There are some good starter kits from XSPC to get going, they are more or less a parts package with everything you need to cool your CPU, they sell at a good price and a good starting point to expand on.

Or you could get an AIO sealed unit to start off with for your CPU and just run your graphics on the cooler it comes with, your links to your parts do not seem to be working, what graphics card are you getting?

i will be getting 1 geforce gtx 770 at first than upgrading to 2

 

[endeavour37a]

What 770 are you getting? There are a lot of them from different venders and several models...

 

[yaboymartin]

What 770 are you getting? There are a lot of them from different venders and several models...

ASUS GTX770-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX 770 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

 

[endeavour37a]

You sound like a guy that is thinking ahead, down the road a bit and that is GREAT! So many people do not plan for later expansion when building a new machine, glad you are. Could I make some more suggestions concerning WCing and the capability to expand?

 

[yaboymartin]

You sound like a guy that is thinking ahead, down the road a bit and that is GREAT! So many people do not plan for later expansion when building a new machine, glad you are. Could I make some more suggestions concerning WCing and the capability to expand?

yeah go right ahead man im learning alot lol

 

[endeavour37a]

For you I would recommend this for WCing your CPU, I would just forget about the air cooler and get this. It is expandable so you can add in your graphics cards later. It is the best AIO on the market as far as I am concerned, has the best pump there is in any sealed unit, the radiator is copper/brass, not the crappy aluminum everyone else uses, it is also all PWM controlled from your MB, no need for software that has added problems. It is a re-branded Swiftec H220, they had to quit selling them in the US because of a law suit from Antec I think, so CM partnered up with them to get them back on the market.

Cooler Master Glacer 240L – Expandable CPU Liquid Water Cooling System with 240mm Copper Radiator and 2 Fans
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=35-103-196&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo

more in next post....

 

[endeavour37a]

That ASUS card is one of the best made, great choice. But something to think about anyway.

People get the Glacier for their CPU then later add in anther radiator and their graphics card, they get a full GPU block and just plum it in. The thing is, most venders will void the card warranty if you remove the factory cooler, EVGA will not. They don't care if you change the air cooler for a water block, they still stand behind their warranty. Also EVGA is know for having the best customer service in the industry, they really take care of their customers.

If down the road you want to go all water perhaps an EVGA card would be the way to go now, they make good stuff. Something like this.....

EVGA SuperClocked w/ ACX Cooling 02G-P4-2774-KR GeForce GTX 770 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130921

 

[yaboymartin]

That ASUS card is one of the best made, great choice. But something to think about anyway.

People get the Glacier for their CPU then later add in anther radiator and their graphics card, they get a full GPU block and just plum it in. The thing is, most venders will void the card warranty if you remove the factory cooler, EVGA will not. They don't care if you change the air cooler for a water block, they still stand behind their warranty. Also EVGA is know for having the best customer service in the industry, they really take care of their customers.

If down the road you want to go all water perhaps an EVGA card would be the way to go now, they make good stuff. Something like this.....

EVGA SuperClocked w/ ACX Cooling 02G-P4-2774-KR GeForce GTX 770 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130921

So this is going to be my build , and i plan to overclock the cpu to about 4.3 ghz , and also overclock the ram and the gpu ; i will learn how to overclock all these components ; will the water cooler hold up to these overclocks ? also when i upgrade to another 770 , will i have to change my build or just leave it the same ? thanks alot man this has been a learning experience lol

Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148834

ASUS GTX770-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX 770 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

SAMSUNG Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model SH-118BB

CORSAIR RM Series RM1000 1000W ATX12V v2.31 and EPS 2.92 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply

G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K

Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM

Kingston SSDNow V300 Series SV300S37A/120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, come with Five Fans, window side panel, top HDD dock

Cooler Master Glacer 240L – Expandable CPU Liquid Water Cooling System with 240mm Copper Radiator and 2 Fans

 

[endeavour37a]

Yes, this AIO will let you OC your CPU farther than air ever would, your build looks great! And when you decide to add in your ASUS card to the loop, EKWB makes a water block that will fit that card perfectly. Water really helps keep graphics cards nice and cool allowing a better OC on them.

One thing, make sure that case will fit your Glacer, some cases have problems getting a WC to fit inside.

Could you please hit the solution button on one of my comments, that would help me out a bit. It does not mean we will stop talking about your rig. Just hoping you don't forget, that is if I helped you out on your set up that is....