Need input for Budget build Please

amdwarrior

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Hello I was wondering if anyone can help me with a budget build? My budget is $600.00 or less I game casually but I like performance. I do some light web design, home video editing web surfing ect. I Thought about upgrading to a phenom II but can’t find anything on biostars website for upgrade path to that so it may not be able to. My current system uses about 640 MB ram during use but it bogs down bad and I haven’t found any spy ware, Trojans ECT. I have also been thinking of switching to Intel c2q.
 
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Sorry about that
Current specs.
amd 5000+ x2 oc'd to 3.1
Biostar t-force 550
ultra x550 power supply
2- 1 gb ddr2 800 patriot kit set at 4-4-4-12
xfx 7900 gs I do play fps and looking to play gta 4 and grid along with some of the new fps.
maxtor 160gb 7200rpm
also my system seems to lag alot even though it shows I am using only about 640 mb of ram even at loads.
I have not found any spy, mal, or trojans in the system either.
Oh dvd rw- 2 lite on 1 4x and the other a 16x both ide think i need to switch to all sata
 

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amd 7750+ or amd 6000+ cpu is really good, video card could bump up to 9600gt, ram is really cheap at ddr2 800 pi black g.skills. Tforce 550 is really old isn't it? because im not seeing anything below a 720.
 
GTA4 loves quads. There's a combo at Newegg for Phenom II 940 + GA-MA790GP-DS4H (that's a pretty good Crossfire). Total $333

http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/AddToCart.aspx?Submit=ADD&ItemList=Combo.155232

Don't buy a WD5000AAKS. A WD6401AALS is almost twice as fast and bigger and costs only $15 more. But you don't have to get that either, just reuse your current disk for now.

Add a 2x2GB DDr2-800 kit for $55.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231209&Tpk=DDR2-800 PI Black 4GB

This leaves you with 600-333-55=$211. There's a HD 4870 1GB for $215 IIRC.

Later: get a WD6401AALS, a 650W or larger PSU, a second video card, Windows 7.

Edit: actually, if you're not gaming that much, you won't need a larger PSU or a second video card. Never mind that part.

If you prefer an Intel version, try Q9550 + GA-EP45-UD3R. It's a bit faster than the Phenom II version and costs $395.

 

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Sure its possible to build a budget computer for $600 on a pII??

thats why i posted thos AMD 6000+ and 7750+ since he was showing his old spec of a amd.
 

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Here is my suggestion:
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?Submit=view
you can reuse the HDD you have now and OS and case. I would get a new PSU, because the one you have now is probably old and ready to be replaced, plus I'm not so sure on the brand, that one should be able to handle that configuration, Plus it comes with a $20 MIR rebate making it a great value at $30. You might be able to reuse the memory you have now, but that memory is very good and the reason your PC only uses a small portion of your ram might be because you have a bad module.
 
I'd take aevm's advice and get a Phenom II 940, GA-MA790GP-DS4H, G.SKILL PI Black 4GB, and 4870 1GB.

SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102801 $224.99 - $20 MIR

I don't know how strict your budget it, but if you have to you could go with this RAM to save $10:

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122 $44.99

I really like the PI Black since it has better timings, but if the $10 will put you over budget this RAM wouldn't be a bad substitution.
 

xthekidx

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I think for his budget the 512mb is a better option, its $175 after MIR. The Mushkin ram I chose has better timings than that G. Skill kit and only a couple dollars more. However if the OP can go over his $600 budget a little then the 1gb version would be the next upgrade.
 

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Those CPU's are not very good for home video editing, but will do fine for gaming. But I don't think the emphasis is that much on gaming and the PII would be much better for his other uses.
 

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The OP is on a tight budget and so I went with the cheapest high quality PSU that would do the job. The Corsair PSU would do just fine for that system. No Corsair PSU is "low end". Amperage is much more important than wattage when it comes to PSU's.
 

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Well the o.p doesn't need that 4870 then because that 4870 requires 500w+ and 2 6Pin pci-e connectors. crossfire 600w+ 4x6pin pci-e.

won't do you any good getting a 400w.

either make the budget a little more or get the hd 4850 and a good psu..
 

xthekidx

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ATI says 500w because simple minded people who do not understand what amperage is will buy a 500w PSU, which will usually have enough amperage on the +12v rail to support the video card. But wattage ratings differ from company to company and Amperage is much more important than wattage when it comes to determining if a PSU is sufficient for a system. That system does not need a 500w psu, it will not consume more than 300w at full load.

The Corsair 400cx is actually a 512w PSU if you add up all the max wattage from each rail 130+360+12.5+9.6, which is what most other companies do. Corsair is much more conservative in the ratings of their PSU's, which is one reason their PSU's are such high quality. You pay for an 850w psu, you get a 1000w psu. Many companies like Coolermaster will overrate their products, like the CM extreme power plus 460w, it can only deliver like 430w.
http://www.corsair.com/products/cx/default.aspx

You are right though about the video card, I forgot it needed 2 6pin connectors, so he can get a 4850 which will do just fine for his system
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102770
 

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I might suggest a 650w PSU, just to be safe.

G.Skill, Corsair, or OCZ, are the best according to who you listen too, The caviar is a good choice but you don't get the read and write bonus until you reach 750 MB. You might also choose Seagate:

Popular PSUs include:

PC Power & Cooling - VALUE
Silver Stone - QUALITY
CoolerMaster - POWER
OCZ - AWESOME NAME

lol though seriously, here is a HD Statistics Breakdown
Google Shopping Links at the bottom.

Western Digital

Maximum external transfer rate 300MB/s
Sustained data rate 145MB/s
Average read seek time 4.2ms

Spindle speed 7,200 RPM
Available capacities 750GB, 1TB
Cache size 32MB
Platter size 334GB
Idle power consumption 7.8W
Read/write power consumption 8.4W
Idle acoustics 24 dBA
Seek acoustics 29-33 dBA
Warranty length Five years
WD 500 GB: http://www.google.com/products?q=Western+Digital+500gb&scoring=p
WD 750 GB: http://www.google.com/products?q=Western+Digital+750gb&scoring=p
Seagate:

Maximum external transfer rate 300MB/s
Sustained data rate 105MB/s
Average rotational latency 4.16ms

Spindle speed 7,200-RPM
Available capacities 80, 160, 200, 250, 300, 320, 400, 500, 750GB 500GB, 750GB, 1TB
Cache size 2MB (80, 160GB)
8MB (80, 160, 200GB)
16MB (250, 320, 400, 500, 750GB) 16MB (500, 750GB)
32MB (500GB, 750GB, 1TB)
Platter size 250GB
Idle acoustics 2.5-2.7 bels
Seek acoustics 2.8-2.9 bels
Idle power consumption 8.0W
Seek power consumption 10.6-11.6W
Warranty length Five years
http://www.google.com/products?q=seagate+500gb&oe=utf-8&scoring=p

Raptor

Maximum external transfer rate 150MB/s
Maximum internal transfer rate 84MB/s 72MB/s
Read seek time 4.6ms 4.5ms
Write seek time 5.2ms 5.9ms

Average rotational latency 2.99ms
Spindle speed 10,000RPM
Available capacities 150GB 74GB

Cache size 16MB 8MB
Platter size 75GB 37GB
Idle acoustics 39dBA 32dBA
Seek acoustics 46dBA 36dBA
Idle power consumption 9.19W 8.40W
Read/write power consumption 10.02W 7.90W
Command queuing NCQ TCQ
Warranty length Five years
http://www.google.com/products?q=raptor+hard+drive&scoring=p