Need upgrade help/suggestions...

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Hi, this forum is so god damn helpful! I love it... anyways...

I'm ONLY upgrading my video card right now, and I have ONLY 2 choices of what I want to do.

I have an athlon tbird running 1540 with a 140 fsb and 1gig sdram on a via kt133a. My video card is an 8500 64 running 290/310. My upgrade choices are either a 9600pro or a 9800pro. CPU/mobo upgrade won't happen for another year or two, I do mainly audio, but I want better gaming performance. I mainly play battlefield:vietnam and rtcw:et . Would either of these upgrades be worth the money or a waste? I'm on a cheap student budget so the 9600 (only pro) would cost me aroun $80 and the 9800 (pro or non-pro, not much of a performance difference am I correct?) around $160 (after selling the 8500). I need help!
 

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I have a Radeon 8500 too and I will keep it until August/September for these reasons :

1. X800/6800 will be out and the price on mid-range card will have dropped.
2. The Radeon 8500 still gives not that bad results in FarCry, I run the game in 800x600 with decent FPS.
3. It's summer, I will not play much games, there is tons of things to do outside during summer : swimming, cycling, beach party, music festival, etc... Montreal is an amazing city in summer there is always something free to do outside.

But, if you desperatly want to upgrade now you should buy a 9600PRO and save money to upgrade your complete PC later (or keep your 8500) and upgrade eveything later. Your old tbird will not be powerful enough in many games and it might not let your new 9600PRO shine as much as it should.

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cleeve

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With that rig you're not going to use the 9800 PRO to it's full potential in alot of games, so go for the 9600 PRO.

You'll see a boost and save some bucks.

Or better yet, get a used 9700 PRO off of ebay... should be able to score one for between $110 and $140 or so if you're patient, and if you get a genuine BUILT BY ATI card you're warranty will still work!
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not to the full potential of 9800Pro, but better than the 9600 Pro. I believe that most games today are optimized to make use more of the GPU than the CPU. Of course, it depends on the game.
For example, I have an Athlon XP 1.7 (stock speed is around 1.5), and I play FarCry with everything on max at 1024x768 with 9800 Pro. I doubt I could do that with 9600 Pro.
If you're really tight on budget, 9600Pro is more than OK. But I think the 9800 Pro it's worth the extra bucks...

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Ok, so most people think the 9800 is a bad upgrade choice. I agree with my system... so two choices - keep the 8500 and just wait it out (I'm sick of battlefield:vietnam running poorly on 800x600 medium settings, would a 9600 improve this performance?) or buy the 9600pro... how much of a difference would the 9600pro yield?
 

cleeve

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Off the top of my head, I'd guess a 20% increase in framerates... that is, unless, BV is CPU limited in the first place...

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Unless you have a buyer for your 8500, I would wait until you can upgrade more than just your video card... if you have $200 to spend, ask the guys here if a Mobile Barton and an NF7-S would be a better upgrade...

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cleeve

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I am loathe to recommend a system upgrade right now, especially to the Athlon XP, because that platform has a limited lifespan at this point.

A 1500 mhz T-bird is probably equivalent to a 1900+ Athlon XP, which aint all that bad.
The most bang for your buck right now would *probably* be a used 9700 PRO, because when you DO upgrade your system (say to a socket 939 Athlon64), your 9700 PRO will migrate with you and be able to stretch it's legs a bit.

But it's not a clear call, it really depends which games/apps you hope to run in the next year.

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That system sounds pretty old, if you were to get a 9700 or 9800 would your power supply be up to the task? If not thats another 50 or more dollars youll be spending.
 

cleeve

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Hmmmm... that's a good point. OK, buy a used 9700 PRO, and a solid PSU!

You're going to need it when you upgrade!

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Awesome guys, thanks for all the help. I just bought a refurb. radeon 9700 pro for $150 and just sold my 8500 for $50. Sounds good to me. I couldn't justify the 9600 as the performance of the 9700 pro is right up there with the 9800 and far superior to the 9600. This'll be great if I upgrade the base system in the future (not now as you're right, the xp does have a limited lifespan). Can't wait to install it.
 

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I would think a 9700pro with its eight pipes and seperate power connector would be a lot more of a burden on a psu than any 9600 series. But I could be wrong.
 

cleeve

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Yeah, I wouldn't trust a 9700 PRO with a generic 300w. It might work, but if you have system instability, it's a good chance it's the culprit.

Anyway, congrats on the card! You will not regret it.

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