New AMD Bristol Ridge

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I've got a Ryzen 1600 already. But was just noticing Newegg seems to now have AMD Bristol ridge quads for about 60 bucks. I'm guessing these are apus? What do you guys think?

For someone just getting into the game, these could potentially be good care of they can be overclocked as for 200 or so, you could have a cpu, board, and ram. Add ram at about 65 for 8gb, an RX 560 for 110 and a PSU for 40 and same for a cheap case, you could have a budget gamer for what just over 400? Could be interesting.

Granted you won't see any records but it is nice to see them hitting Intel more.

 

[4745454b]

Not really. They are lower end APUs that have been out for a long while. You can do exactly what you are talking about with a Pentium G 4xxx CPU with Intel. I wouldn't bother with such a setup.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

As I said I'm already set just seemed interesting to have someone be able to start with a 300 or 400 dollar setup and upgrade into the upper end.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

They are not based on Zen architecture, they're the old Excavator architecture. Nothing new except the upgrade path to Ryzen. The Athlons don't have integrated graphics, the A12 does.

But yeah it's something cheap that has a cheaper upgrade path than Intel. I'm sure they will get outdone pretty bad by Pentium G4560 though.

*I guess I shouldn't say nothing new, it is Excavator V2. Maybe there will be noticeable or worthwhile improvements.

 

[mdd1963]

If you already have a 1600, why would you want a weaker CPU and system with mere entry level graphics, solely because they are integrated?

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I don't want one lol. I'm a tech. So always just looking at the new stuff and thinking what can be put together on the cheap.

 

[4745454b]

What upgrade path? They run on the older FM2 socket don't they? It's not a good idea to get one of those at this time.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

No. Newegg had them in socket am4 form. So I added up with no GPU and someone could potentially put together about a 300ish solar system, add agpu, then potentially swap for say an 1800x if they felt the need lol.

 

[-Fran-]

As a "stopgap" solution until you get either the Zen-based APUs or a proper RyZen CPU with a GPU, it's not that bad of an idea.

I'd be wary of the "AM4" promise though. They did it with Llano and FM1, then out of the blue they announced FM2 and FM2+. So I would just say wait until they do announce any official information on sockets and motherboards for the Zen-based APUs.

Cheers!

 

[4745454b]

I'd be wary of the "AM4" promise though. They did it with Llano and FM1, then out of the blue they announced FM2 and FM2+. So I would just say wait until they do announce any official information on sockets

Seems these are super new Yuka. I hadn't seen any announcement about these.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Bristol+Ridge+&N=-1&isNodeId=1

They are AM4, and should drop into AM4 boards. The old APUs didn't have DDR4 controllers so these have to be tweaked in some ways. I'd get one if I had to, but only if I couldn't afford a Ryzen right now. Anyone have a real link on what they can do?

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Found some info.

For what they are does not appear terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8UXHFk_yck

Looks like they are just a stop gap until Raven Ridge.

However some addition on newegg says this.

Athlon x4-60 bucks
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113456

ASRock B350 board-60
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157763

GSKill 8gb ddr4 2400-61.99
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232601

DIY Brand case-35
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353061

EVGA 450 BV PSU-20
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438119

Seagate 1TB hard drive 42.99
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5AD5WK9829

Total for that shows 279.99. Unheard of previously. So for under 300 you can be into a system that competes with the pentium g4650 essentially with the ability to possibly overclock and add in a gpu.

Not that any of us would want a system like this, but it's nice that a user could start with a build like this add on a 1050ti or 1060, then drop in an r5 1600 or something later and go from bargain basement to mid range to top tier gaming pc.

 

[-Fran-]

I'd be wary of the "AM4" promise though. They did it with Llano and FM1, then out of the blue they announced FM2 and FM2+. So I would just say wait until they do announce any official information on sockets

Seems these are super new Yuka. I hadn't seen any announcement about these.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Bristol+Ridge+&N=-1&isNodeId=1

They are AM4, and should drop into AM4 boards. The old APUs didn't have DDR4 controllers so these have to be tweaked in some ways. I'd get one if I had to, but only if I couldn't afford a Ryzen right now. Anyone have a real link on what they can do?

Yes. When I mention "be wary", is because these might drop in AM4 socket now, but AMD has been not very consistent with their socket promises with new products. They did it with s754 to s939 and then to AM2(s940)->AM2+->AM3(s941?)->AM3+ and the FM1 socket. I am just paraphrasing: "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me".

I do concede this time around they seem to have a better plan on what to do, but still passing the warning.

Found some info.

For what they are does not appear terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8UXHFk_yck

Looks like they are just a stop gap until Raven Ridge.

However some addition on newegg says this.

Athlon x4-60 bucks
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113456

ASRock B350 board-60
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157763

GSKill 8gb ddr4 2400-61.99
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232601

DIY Brand case-35
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353061

EVGA 450 BV PSU-20
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438119

Seagate 1TB hard drive 42.99
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5AD5WK9829

Total for that shows 279.99. Unheard of previously. So for under 300 you can be into a system that competes with the pentium g4650 essentially with the ability to possibly overclock and add in a gpu.

Not that any of us would want a system like this, but it's nice that a user could start with a build like this add on a 1050ti or 1060, then drop in an r5 1600 or something later and go from bargain basement to mid range to top tier gaming pc.

I don't think they are terrible, but they *are* stopgaps. On every single account, the Zen-based APU will be better. Not on the iGPU side of things necessarily, but better overall: more mature process, polished iGPU (Vega based) and lower power requirement to play around with speed (turning in better performance, perhaps).

Cheers!

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I agree. This seems to be where they felt they have to push out something while they wait.

 

[4745454b]

When I mention "be wary", is because these might drop in AM4 socket now, but AMD has been not very consistent with their socket promises with new products. They did it with s754 to s939 and then to AM2(s940)->AM2+->AM3(s941?)->AM3+ and the FM1 socket. I am just paraphrasing: "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me".

None of that even made sense to me. If anything AMD has done an incredible job keeping the sockets going. The FM vs AM is the worse it's been recently. I don't know what your issue, but from what I can gather it doesn't belong in this thread.

So for under 300 you can be into a system that competes with the pentium g4650

I disagree with this as I understand the CPU(?). If it's still using dozer cores, it doesn't compete with the Pentium G at all. If all they did was give the dozer core a DDR4 controller and popped it onto an AM4 socket, that won't let it keep up with the Pentium G. The faster ram might help, but dozer wasn't really close. It does provide an upgrade path, but the PentG does as well. And the 7700 is still (one of?) the best CPU to be running for gaming. This can be a stop gap CPU to run, but it's nothing amazing. Just a cheap CPU to run in an AM4 board if you can't afford anything better. I'd be excited for a real new CPU that fits that bill.

 

[PurpleZ]

dont

 

[-Fran-]

When I mention "be wary", is because these might drop in AM4 socket now, but AMD has been not very consistent with their socket promises with new products. They did it with s754 to s939 and then to AM2(s940)->AM2+->AM3(s941?)->AM3+ and the FM1 socket. I am just paraphrasing: "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me".

None of that even made sense to me. If anything AMD has done an incredible job keeping the sockets going. The FM vs AM is the worse it's been recently. I don't know what your issue, but from what I can gather it doesn't belong in this thread.

And I thought that was clear enough. Oh well.

AMD has changed sockets after a single generation of CPU/APU in the market without previous announcement. I gave you two examples: FM1 to FM2 and s754 to s939. I'm being generous with AM3 to AM3+, since it's the same socket, but they decided to make Piledriver exclusive to AM3+ even though the pin-layout was the same, but the chipset wasn't. Same happened with FM2 and FM2+, didn't it?

Hence, again, the *warning* of not trusting AMD too much with the promise that AM4 will be used for Bristol Ridge nor Zen2 incarnations. I would not be surprised if they say "hey, guys... AM4 is dead, AM4+ is the future!".

Cheers!