Build Advice New AMD build ?

[KLund1]

Hi,
I'm a AMD newbie. I've built intel systems since the 90's. My last amd build was a K2 cpu.
The new intel chips are not going to do it for me. The Ryzen 9 9900X looks about right for me. I'm not big gamer, but some. I edit personal video, & music. Database stuff. Program cross compiling, mostly general computing.

What I really like is fast SDD NMVE M,2 access, fast boot, fast program/data load, and saves. I will be running a raid 0 setup. Yes I have a very robust backup system. I've been using raid 0 for years on my main rig.
So I want a motherboard that can do raid 0 in PCIe 5, but not cut into the bandwidth of the CPU or the nvidia 3090 I'm going to use.

I'll need at least 6 sata ports for spin rust I still use. These do not need to be super fast, but usable. These should not cut into the raid 0 setup, as I will be moving data between HDD and the raid 0 drives
I have no clue about amd ram but I want something to is fast and has something like the intel's XMP. I'm thinking 32gb ram. Is 4x8Gb sticks or 2x16gb sticks better in amd land?
I'm not an RGB fan so don't worry about looks, except I don't like white mobo's. I'm partial to Assus boards, but am will to change if there are better options for my needs. Oh I'll need a new PSU for all this. What wattage?

All this will going in a mid-tower case I have.
Any advice and suggestions would be most welcome.
Thanks

 

[Zerk2012]

Raid on a M.2 drive is a big no, sounds good but can actually hurt performance.
High quality 1K /1200 watt PSU.
A set of 2X16gb or 2X 24gb if you need more than 32GB.
Good CPU cooler that CPU under load pulls in the 170watt area.

 

[KLund1]

Thanks for the quick reply
Understood.
Raid 0 on one drive, yes, is useless.
I would be using 2 (two) nvme m.2 drive sticks on the mobo in stripped raid 0. I probably should have more clear above. Sorry
I assume these should go through the same controller on the board to reduce latency?
Is there something about nvme m.2 standard that slows performance with 2 or more physical drives?

 

[Zerk2012]

Thanks for the quick reply
Understood.
Raid 0 on one drive, yes, is useless.
I would be using 2 (two) nvme m.2 drive sticks on the mobo in stripped raid 0. I probably should have more clear above. Sorry
I assume these should go through the same controller on the board to reduce latency?
Is there something about nvme m.2 standard that slows performance with 2 or more physical drives?

Yes I know you were saying raid on 2 drives still a big no no..
It's great for just running benchmarks but not for real world performance.

 

[KLund1]

Do you have any links explaining this a little further?
I am running raid 0 on my main rig but I built it about 7 years ago. (that is why I want to upgrade)
Back then, I tested speed with win 10 installed in single drive nvme m.2 128Gb drive for about a week. then built the raid 0 with 2 drives and saw a majorly huge improvement in speed in my general usage. Boots, program loads, data saves all were much faster. So I kept the raid 0 going all these years.
Have things changed that much over time?

 

[CountMike]

Do you have any links explaining this a little further?
I am running raid 0 on my main rig but I built it about 7 years ago. (that is why I want to upgrade)
Back then, I tested speed with win 10 installed in single drive nvme m.2 128Gb drive for about a week. then built the raid 0 with 2 drives and saw a majorly huge improvement in speed in my general usage. Boots, program loads, data saves all were much faster. So I kept the raid 0 going all these years.
Have things changed that much over time?

NVME SSDs are so much faster nowadays. even difference between slowest and fastest is hardly perceptible. Slowest NVMe will beat RAID0 SATA and even PCIe v3.0 SSDs by factor of 5-10 without inherent risks of RAID0. Stick an NVMe v5.0 of 1-2 TB and your old RAID will seem like mounted on a snail.

 

[KLund1]

Understood.
I was again probably not clear. I want to do raid 0 with 2 sticks of 1Tb each PCIe 5.0 nmve m.2 SSD's.
Not sata m.2's.
Is there a x870e board that can do that? These seem to be the latest amd chipset. I like the ubs 4.0 future extending feature.

 

[logainofhades]

The point is Raid 0, on M.2 NVME drives is not worth it. You get no benefit from it. Run a single large gen5 drive, even though in real world usage, even those aren't any better than a much cheaper 4.0 drive. You are literally throwing money away with a Raid 0 setup. A single 2tb Gen5 drive is cheaper than 2x1tb drives of the same model.

 

[ex_bubblehead]

Unless you're running a business that absolutely requires 100% uptime on your data there's absolutely NO reason for RAID. Also throw in the fact that Raid 0 violates the whole idea of RAID. That of "Redundancy". If a single drive in a level 0 array fails then the ENTIRE array fails with NO recovery possible from the remanents. This happens far more often than you may want to believe. You might want to actually listen to people here that have been involved in these things for many decades (yeah, I'm tryin' to make some of you old timers feel like the fossils you are )

 

[USAFRet]

Understood.
I was again probably not clear. I want to do raid 0 with 2 sticks of 1Tb each PCIe 5.0 nmve m.2 SSD's.
Not sata m.2's.
Is there a x870e board that can do that? These seem to be the latest amd chipset. I like the ubs 4.0 future extending feature.

RAID 0 + NVMe.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-950-pro-256gb-raid-report,4449.html

This is several years old, but I've not seen anything that refutes this.
Benchmarks look GREAT. Actual user facing performance, not so much.

tl-dr: It might even be a touch slower than individual drives.

 

[CountMike]

Understood.
I was again probably not clear. I want to do raid 0 with 2 sticks of 1Tb each PCIe 5.0 nmve m.2 SSD's.
Not sata m.2's.
Is there a x870e board that can do that? These seem to be the latest amd chipset. I like the ubs 4.0 future extending feature.

Practically all modern MBs have RAID capabilities but for true RAID0 both disks have to be identical and at same speed. For top performance both M.2, NVME ports have to be controlled from CPU and that may cut down on PCIe lanes available to GPU and that can hinder it's performance and you will have to choose what is more important.
PS. A single NVME PCIe v5.0 is twice the speed of v4-0 and will be faster than RAID0 with 2*v4.0. RAID0 with 2*v5.0 would already be too fast for rest of system to handle sou you couldn't take full advantage of it. RAID also has certain overhead so actual speed is not doubled,

 

[KLund1]

Understood about raid and Nmve.
Thanks for the lively discussion with out negativity. That is much appreciated.

Now lets look at video cards.
I thought I could afford an older card, a 3090. But no, that is much further out of my budget then I thought it would be,
I'm at the $300+ range. I was thinking I should say in the AMD side this time. so I was thinking about a RX 7700XT. Is this a good all around card? If so what manufactures would be good?
Oh I'm upgrading from a 1060ti so I know it will be a big improvement. But I'm looking for bang for the buck, and not the bleeding edge.

 

[helper800]

Understood about raid and Nmve.
Thanks for the lively discussion with out negativity. That is much appreciated.

Now lets look at video cards.
I thought I could afford an older card, a 3090. But no, that is much further out of my budget then I thought it would be,
I'm at the $300+ range. I was thinking I should say in the AMD side this time. so I was thinking about a RX 7700XT. Is this a good all around card? If so what manufactures would be good?
Oh I'm upgrading from a 1060ti so I know it will be a big improvement. But I'm looking for bang for the buck, and not the bleeding edge.

7700XT would be a massive upgrade, but there are some features that Nvidia has that AMD does not have or that AMD does a little worse, or has way less performance doing. Up to you.

 

[KLund1]

Ok thanks
Then on the green team. I was thinking of a 4060 rtx. But these only have 8bg while the 3060rtx has 12gb. Perhaps a rtx 3060ti?
Also I see these are 2 and 3 fan versions; what is the difference.

 

[helper800]

Ok thanks
Then on the green team. I was thinking of a 4060 rtx. But these only have 8bg while the 3060rtx has 12gb. Perhaps a rtx 3060ti?
Also I see these are 2 and 3 fan versions; what is the difference.

A 4060 ti or 3060 ti are faster than the 4060 and about the same performance.

 

[KLund1]

Thanks!
That is what I found.
But what is the next bump up, 4060ti $$ more is in still in budget.. ???
Or is a 2060TI or a 3060TI a better value?

 

[logainofhades]

Thanks!
That is what I found.
But what is the next bump up, 4060ti $$ more is in still in budget.. ???
Or is a 2060TI or a 3060TI a better value?

4060ti is slower than a 7700xt.

 

[KLund1]

Probably true, but AMD have less AI potential
plus the 7900 is 2x price of 3060ti
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3060-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XT/4090vs4141
I am not a high end gammer.
Is there something that I'm missing?
Oh, many thanks for the input!

 

[USAFRet]

Probably true, but AMD have less AI potential

What does that mean, and how does it relate to your actual usage?