New Build Advice

[Philip_62]

HI all,

First time DIY building a computer. Putting together a list of parts, but as all new builders are, I'm a little bit nervous about my selections; whether they are "right". Mainly want the pc for gaming, nothing VR, but just general PC gaming - with the most intensive games being some of the recent AAA games. Been looking at a lot of articles and have been tweeking my list for a few days; her is the pcpartpicker list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jLQLRG

Couple of points: Went for the i5, initally went i7, but upon reading around, it turns out this is an unimportant upgrade - minimal performance for an extra £100. Also, slowly going bigger and badder with graphics as I initially had a 1050, and a friend sent me a link to the benchmark that basically said the 1060 was 80% better for about another £50. Lastly, it has both SSD types listed at the moment as I haven't decided which is better.

I would be much appreciated if anyone could have a look through; point out flaws or improvements etc.. i.e. Don't spend £x on that, can get same part for cheaper etc...

(I know the case is quite expensive, but it looks really pretty - think its my only true visual purchase for the build)

Thank you all in advance

 

[madmatt30]

Ryzen 1600+1080 for less money mate.

It'll absolutely wipe the floor with a 7600k+1060.

That said you want to be looking at a 1440p+ screen as its extreme overkill for 1080p

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£188.94 @ PC World Business)
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (£137.80 @ Alza)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£131.65 @ Novatech)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£88.87 @ More Computers)
Storage: Toshiba - 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£73.70 @ Eclipse Computers)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card (£499.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Corsair - 780T ATX Full Tower Case (£149.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£83.97 @ Amazon UK)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WN881ND PCI-Express x1 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter (£11.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Corsair - Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition (2-Pack) 62.7 CFM 120mm Fans (£22.47 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1389.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-23 09:28 BST+0100

 

[Philip_62]

Ryzen 1600+1080 for less money mate.

It'll absolutely wipe the floor with a 7600k+1060.

That said you want to be looking at a 1440p+ screen as its extreme overkill for 1080p

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£188.94 @ PC World Business)
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (£137.80 @ Alza)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£131.65 @ Novatech)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£88.87 @ More Computers)
Storage: Toshiba - 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£73.70 @ Eclipse Computers)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card (£499.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Corsair - 780T ATX Full Tower Case (£149.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£83.97 @ Amazon UK)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WN881ND PCI-Express x1 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter (£11.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: Corsair - Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition (2-Pack) 62.7 CFM 120mm Fans (£22.47 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1389.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-23 09:28 BST+0100

I've always been slightly hesitant with AMD processors. Mainly because someone said to me a long time ago; that they were an inferior item than the intel counterparts - I am talking several years back now though, so this point may have become outdated.

Because I know less on the AMD motherboards, is that a newer/older one? Been thinking that i need to buy a new-ish board so that I can futureproof as best i can?

 

[madmatt30]

^ indeed they were , until recently amd were still running chipsets , sockets & CPU's from 2012.

The ryzen & b350/x370 are this years releases.

With the 1600 you've got an overclockable 6 core/12 threaded CPU at a pricepoint similar to a locked i5 4c/4t CPU

While that 7600 is stronger on a single core performance level the ryzen is overclockable on the stock cooler & at 3.8ghz its within spitting distance.

What You've got with the ryzen is a huge amount of reserve CPU power , a whole lot of extra future proofing- amd have guaranteed the b350/x370 as a current chipset for a minimum of 4 years.

Kably lake probably has less than a year left production wise.

I honestly cannot see any reason for anyone to buy a straight quad i5 nowadays, if you absolutely MUST have Intel i7 minimum now.

Ryzen fps wise in current AAA titles ??
90-110fps.
An i7 could push upto mid 120's.

Ryzen + a 1080 ? On a 1440p screen you'd likely get around the 100fps mark at max settings.

A 7600k & a 1060 ?? You'd do about the same but at 1080p.

 

[Philip_62]

^ indeed they were , until recently amd were still running chipsets , sockets & CPU's from 2012.

The ryzen & b350/x370 are this years releases.

With the 1600 you've got an overclockable 6 core/12 threaded CPU at a pricepoint similar to a locked i5 4c/4t CPU

While that 7600 is stronger on a single core performance level the ryzen is overclockable on the stock cooler & at 3.8ghz its within spitting distance.

What You've got with the ryzen is a huge amount of reserve CPU power , a whole lot of extra future proofing- amd have guaranteed the b350/x370 as a current chipset for a minimum of 4 years.

Kably lake probably has less than a year left production wise.

I honestly cannot see any reason for anyone to buy a straight quad i5 nowadays, if you absolutely MUST have Intel i7 minimum now.

Ryzen fps wise in current AAA titles ??
90-110fps.
An i7 could push upto mid 120's.

Ryzen + a 1080 ? On a 1440p screen you'd likely get around the 100fps mark at max settings.

A 7600k & a 1060 ?? You'd do about the same but at 1080p.

Thanks for the advice. Think i'll need to start gathering the parts. - Only thing I've noticed on that build; there is no cpu cooler? are they not required for the ryzen in the same way as the Kaby Lake? Did look at adding the corsair AIO again, but pcpart flags up incompatibility issues with the backing plate.

 

[madmatt30]

The ryzen coolers (the 1600 comes with the biggest wraith spire) are the best stock coolers ever released.

4ghz (which is ryzens sensible overclocking limit) is doable on the 1600 with one.

You can add aftermarket but its not essential.

The corsair AIO is compatible but you need to order a bracket separately still I believe.

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/am4-amd-retention-bracket-kit-for-hydro-series-coolers

 

[Philip_62]

The ryzen coolers (the 1600 comes with the biggest wraith spire) are the best stock coolers ever released.

4ghz (which is ryzens sensible overclocking limit) is doable on the 1600 with one.

You can add aftermarket but its not essential.

The corsair AIO is compatible but you need to order a bracket separately still I believe.

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/am4-amd-retention-bracket-kit-for-hydro-series-coolers

Ok,

(sorry for asking so many questions) - and in your opinion, for gaming etc.., would I need an aftermarket? (besides the fact that I think it looks kinda cool - but that is £100 of visuals... again)

 

[madmatt30]

In my opinion ??
No absolutely unnecessary mate (in the UK anyway with our ambient temps)
In that case the stock cooler will do absolutely fine.
A decent 120/140mm tower will keep that CPU below 60c at half the cost.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cryorig-h5-ultimate-single-tower-heatsink-with-140mm-fan-black-frame-hs-007-cy.html

& free am4 bracket

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cryorig-am4-bracket-for-h5-c1-m9a-coolers-type-a-hs-00t-cy.html

Aesthetically I see your point with the aio's but on a price/performance level they're not a good buy.

I would personally negate buying an aftermarket for now , you can always add one at a later date if you're unhappy.
If I were adding one it would be the h5 listed above personally.

 

[Philip_62]

In my opinion ??
No absolutely unnecessary mate (in the UK anyway with our ambient temps)
In that case the stock cooler will do absolutely fine.
A decent 120/140mm tower will keep that CPU below 60c at half the cost.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cryorig-h5-ultimate-single-tower-heatsink-with-140mm-fan-black-frame-hs-007-cy.html

& free am4 bracket

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cryorig-am4-bracket-for-h5-c1-m9a-coolers-type-a-hs-00t-cy.html

Aesthetically I see your point with the aio's but on a price/performance level they're not a good buy.

I would personally negate buying an aftermarket for now , you can always add one at a later date if you're unhappy.
If I were adding one it would be the h5 listed above personally.

Ok. Thanks for all the advise. (I'm only concerned about cooling right now, as insufficient cooling has absolutely destroyed my msi laptop, biggest piece of crap I ever bought - and still costs more than the pc rig you sent me!)

 

[madmatt30]

Wraith spire on the left , stock Intel 95w cooler on the right

Bearing in mind that generally the Intel's run hotter than the ryzen it doesn't take that much imagination to realise how capable the ryzen cooler is, its close to 4 times the volume & has a far better fan.

Choice is yours obviously still , I just fins a £120 240mm aio absolutely overkill & not good value.

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJggwV9HxRM"][/video]

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3HxRuiWp1k"][/video]

Couple of straight comparison videos between the 2 CPU's paired with a 1080 at 1440p.