[SOLVED] New build after 10yr. Check my ingredients!

[SH3ra2]

Hey guys, hope you're all well.
My aim: to build a gaming pc that plays 4k at some level, and has good future proofing

The parts:
Motherboard: x399 AORUS gaming 7
Cpu: ryzen threadripper 1920X 12 core
Ram: corsair vengeance LPX 2x8 gb 3000mhz
Gpu: msi radeon 5700 8gb
Psu: corsair tx650 m
The storage: Western digital green m2 ssd 256gb
And seagate barracuda 1 tb 7200rpm internal hdd
Case: Corsair carbide 275r

Please give your opinions, in general and on component compatibility: I know the ram is 3000 mhz and motherboard without oc is 2333. And I've got 2 sticks for quad channel board. If I've researched correctly: ram will just work at the slower speed and you can use dual channel config for a quad channel board.

A few considerations I would like your opinions on:
1) I could go with a good b450 motherboard. And a ryzen 5 3600. Then I have 200 quid that can be put into the gpu and get a rtx 2070super. The future proofing just takes a colossal hit, ill have to change cpu and motherboard sooner

2) The Ps5 and xbox are going to have much better gpu than this on arrival. 12 teraflops xbox, 10 ps4. Gtx 2070 super is 9 terraflops. This card probably about... 7? Games will be made to Ps5 and xbox specifications. This Gpu might get outdated really quickly?

3) Wonder what you think of my plan: I was thinking, because 5700 has 8gb of vram. In a year, 2 years, 3 even. Get a second 5700, they'll be much cheaper then aswell. and crossfire it. 14gb is plenty for 4k.

What you guys saying? Thanks very much! Sheraz

Edit. Budget aiming for £1k , but flexible if its worth it. Based in UK

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Even though you are gaming in 4k where the CPU matters far less than the graphics card, NO Threadripper CPU should be purchased for solely gaming. They are not designed for gaming, and have very poor latency compared to their AM4 Ryzen counterparts that are more "gaming-oriented."

Also, x399 and a 1920x will only have upgrades to 1st and second-generation Threadripper, not 3rd generation or newer since they changed the socket.

More cores don't always mean more "future proof" in cases like this.

What exactly are your budget and region?

RX5700 doesn't officially support crossfire, and even if it did, most games do not see much benefit from it.

For 4k, I would buy CPU like a Ryzen 5 3600 with 16gb ram and a 1tb NVME then and buy the strongest GPU you can afford.

 

[USAFRet]

What you guys saying? Thanks very much! Sheraz

1. Overkill (but old) CPU and bottom of the barrel storage drives.
2. Don't obsess over what may or may not be happening in the console world. Has zero to do with PC.
3. future proofing is not a thing.

 

[Nemesia]

This is the build below you want to buy. This is not a really good build. That motherboard is not cheap and is out of stock everywhere. Don't buy a threadripper. That green drive is horrible.

I would go with a 3700X, 3600MHz RAM 2x8GB CAS16, best GPU you can buy. A crucial P1 1TB SSD. A normal 1-2TB seagate barracuda HDD and a good X570 motherboard with good VRM's like the X570 TUF Gaming or the X570 Aorus Elite. With a X570 board you can update to the new Ryzen 4000 series CPU coming out later. So that's an upgrade path.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Threadripper 1920X 3.5 GHz 12-Core Processor ($311.73 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X399 AORUS Gaming 7 ATX sTR4 Motherboard ($415.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($83.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Green 240 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($61.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 5700 8 GB MECH OC Video Card ($329.99 @ Walmart)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower Case ($73.99 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Corsair)
Total: $1433.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-07 21:44 EDT-0400

 

[SH3ra2]

Even though you are gaming in 4k where the CPU matters far less than the graphics card, NO Threadripper CPU should be purchased for solely gaming. They are not designed for gaming, and have very poor latency compared to their AM4 Ryzen counterparts that are more "gaming-oriented."

Also, x399 and a 1920x will only have upgrades to 1st and second-generation Threadripper, not 3rd generation or newer since they changed the socket.

More cores don't always mean more "future proof" in cases like this.

What exactly are your budget and region?

RX5700 doesn't officially support crossfire, and even if it did, most games do not see much benefit from it.

For 4k, I would buy CPU like a Ryzen 5 3600 with 16gb ram and a 1tb NVME then and buy the strongest GPU you can afford.

Hey, thanks man,
Budget aiming for £1k , but flexible if its worth it. Based in UK.

Useful info, seems counterintuitive to go 8 core when 12 is same price but the general consensus agrees with what you say. I guess in that case I'll look to x570 and 3600 or 3700x.

 

[SH3ra2]

This is the build below you want to buy. This is not a really good build. That motherboard is not cheap and is out of stock everywhere. Don't buy a threadripper. That green drive is horrible.

I would go with a 3700X, 3600MHz RAM 2x8GB CAS16, best GPU you can buy. A crucial P1 1TB SSD. A normal 1-2TB seagate barracuda HDD and a good X570 motherboard with good VRM's like the X570 TUF Gaming or the X570 Aorus Elite. With a X570 board you can update to the new Ryzen 4000 series CPU coming out later. So that's an upgrade path.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Threadripper 1920X 3.5 GHz 12-Core Processor ($311.73 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X399 AORUS Gaming 7 ATX sTR4 Motherboard ($415.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($83.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Green 240 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($61.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 5700 8 GB MECH OC Video Card ($329.99 @ Walmart)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower Case ($73.99 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Corsair)
Total: $1433.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-07 21:44 EDT-0400

Thanks man, very useful, I'm redoing my prospective build

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Sure, you get more cores, but you also get far lower gaming performance due to the older architecture, lower clocks, and bad latency. Plus the motherboards are pricy.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor | £155.50 @ AWD-IT
Motherboard | MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard | £94.97 @ Amazon UK
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory | £69.98 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive | £59.44 @ Amazon UK
Video Card | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card | £497.99 @ Technextday
Case | Aerocool Shard ATX Mid Tower Case | £38.95 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | SeaSonic CORE GM 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | £80.47 @ Scan.co.uk
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | £997.30
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-08 19:09 BST+0100 |

For 4k, you want as powerful of a GPU as possible. This CPU is rather powerful but cheap and allows you to get a 2070 super within budget.

 

[Nemesia]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£256.10 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£108.50 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (£108.61 @ Newegg UK)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£59.44 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£109.98 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card (£497.99 @ Technextday)
Case: Aerocool Shard ATX Mid Tower Case (£38.95 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£101.94 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1281.51
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-08 22:27 BST+0100

 

[Rogue Leader]

2) The Ps5 and xbox are going to have much better gpu than this on arrival. 12 teraflops xbox, 10 ps4. Gtx 2070 super is 9 terraflops. This card probably about... 7? Games will be made to Ps5 and xbox specifications. This Gpu might get outdated really quickly?

Teraflops is not how you measure GPUs.

Future proofing is a myth.

Crossfire is no longer supported.

A Threadripper is a waste of money for a Gaming system especially considering the massive compromises you're making otherwise to get it in there.

The builds suggested above by everyone else are significantly better for your dollar.

 

[SH3ra2]

Sure, you get more cores, but you also get far lower gaming performance due to the older architecture, lower clocks, and bad latency. Plus the motherboards are pricy.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor | £155.50 @ AWD-IT
Motherboard | MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard | £94.97 @ Amazon UK
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory | £69.98 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive | £59.44 @ Amazon UK
Video Card | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card | £497.99 @ Technextday
Case | Aerocool Shard ATX Mid Tower Case | £38.95 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | SeaSonic CORE GM 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | £80.47 @ Scan.co.uk
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | £997.30
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-08 19:09 BST+0100 |

For 4k, you want as powerful of a GPU as possible. This CPU is rather powerful but cheap and allows you to get a 2070 super within budget.

That sounds solid, and if I were to increase the budget abit. Say 1100-1200, i could get an x570 board and a 3700x?
What are your thoughts on the budget x570 baords? The reviews of the Asus x570-p or the asrock x570 phantom gaming 4 are pretty good.
If I got 1 of these a couple years down the line could replace a 3600 (or a 3700x, although I'd expect this to last 4+ years ) with a 4th gen ryzen?
Appreciate the help

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Yes, you can upgrade to 4th gen down the road according to AMD.

I'd get the X570p from asus. Avoid ANY cheap MSI x570. Will give you better upgrade path and PCIe4.

I wouldn't get a 3700x over the 3600 as i doubt you will see any difference at 4k.

 

[Nemesia]

Actually the 3700X is the best option for gaming and it has 4 more threads over games that are taking 12 threads like Warzone. The 3700X is a little bit future proofing compared to the 3600.

If I had to recommend a X570 board to you it would be the X570 TUF GAMING or the X570 Aorus Elite. I wouldn't go below these 2.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

At 4k, the game is going to be GPU limited, even if it can use more than 12t.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

The 3700X is a better buy for the next few years.

Could stress it more, but, that game will be more GPU demanding most likely aswell, so you are probably going to not be any ahead with a 3700x even then.

If you have more money get a 3700x, but personally, I wouldn't.

I don't think you will lose much/any performance from having "only" 12 threads in the next few years, especially at 4k with games getting more and more graphically demanding just as they are more and more CPU demanding.

 

[Nemesia]

Could stress it more, but, that game will be more GPU demanding most likely aswell, so you are probably going to not be any ahead with a 3700x even then.

If you have more money get a 3700x, but personally, I wouldn't.

I don't think you will lose much/any performance from having "only" 12 threads in the next few years, especially at 4k with games getting more and more graphically demanding just as they are more and more CPU demanding.

I understand. It's just me. I like the headroom I bought a 3900X and I don't even need that CPU so xD

 

[johnsoner13]

What are your thoughts on the budget x570 baords? The reviews of the Asus x570-p or the asrock x570 phantom gaming 4 are pretty good.

View: https://youtu.be/OMRUhtMs9Ok

Pick one of these, ASUS TUF is probably your best choice as Nemesia recommended.
Definitely go for the 3600 for 4k gaming.

 

[Nemesia]

The only reason why I would buy the Aorus Elite again over the TUF Gaming is for the Intel LAN port instead of RealTek. If you don't mind about that get the TUF Gaming.

 

[cryoburner]

Useful info, seems counterintuitive to go 8 core when 12 is same price but the general consensus agrees with what you say. I guess in that case I'll look to x570 and 3600 or 3700x.

The 1920X might offer more cores, but the newer Zen2 architecture used by the Ryzen 3000 chips offers more performance per core, by around 20% or so compared to first-gen Ryzen. Games are only designed to utilize a certain number of threads, and at this time, there tends to be little difference in gaming performance between a 6-core, 12-thread 3600 and an 8-core, 16-thread 3700X (aside from the 3700X pushing slightly higher clocks), so with a 12-core, 24-thread CPU, half the cores will just be sitting idle and not contributing to performance. It's possible that some years down the line, that many cores may provide some additional benefit in some titles, but I wouldn't trade the higher per-core performance of the 3600 and 3700X for it.

And as has been mentioned, if you are hoping to play recent demanding titles at native 4K with high settings, you will want all the graphics hardware you can get. Performance at 4K is not going to be great in many titles with an RX 5700, and even a 2070 SUPER may struggle to maintain over 60fps at high settings in some titles. Native 4K is arguably a bit of a stretch with today's graphics hardware, and any graphics card on the market today is not likely to hold up for particularly long at 4K without reducing settings.

Even the "4K" consoles will undoubtedly be using tricks like upscaling from lower resolutions in many titles, especially after a few years. At this time, resolutions like 1440p are arguably more reasonable to aim for. Thankfully, Nvidia and AMD have been improving upscaling and sharpening routines over the last year, so resolutions like 1440p can look rather good on a 4K screen while performing a lot better. 1440p offers nearly double the pixels of 1080p, while 4K is four times the pixels of 1080p, so that resolution massively reduces performance, just to make the image a bit sharper.

What are your thoughts on the budget x570 boards?

Another option, if you are not building immediately, might be to wait a bit and get a B550 motherboard. Those should be getting released in just a little over a month, and should offer most of the benefits of X570 at a lower price point. It will likely be possible to get a high-quality B550 board for less than the cost of a lower-end X570 board.

 

[SH3ra2]

Could stress it more, but, that game will be more GPU demanding most likely aswell, so you are probably going to not be any ahead with a 3700x even then.

If you have more money get a 3700x, but personally, I wouldn't.

I don't think you will lose much/any performance from having "only" 12 threads in the next few years, especially at 4k with games getting more and more graphically demanding just as they are more and more CPU demanding.

Hey, can you check something for me please
final prospective build

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/SH3RAZ/saved/cCR9NG

or if this link doesnt work then:
cpu: AMD ryzen 3700x
ASUS TUF gaming x570
corsair vengeance lpx 16gb 3000mhz
Western Digital Blue 500gb m.2 2200 SSD
Gigabyte geforce rtx 2070 super 8gb windforce OC 3x video card
corsair 275R Airflow ATX mid tower
Seasonic Core GM 650W 80+ Gold certified semi-modular ATX power supply.

1) With the PSU - I get this caution in pc part picker
"The Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the SeaSonic CORE GM 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it." is there a good PSU you can recomend that has this 4 pin?

2) With the rtx 2070 super, theres a £100 difference between this and a normal 2070. Do you think this is worth it? it seems it translates to a 10fps difference.

3) The reason I'm going x570 and 3700x is because these are strong components, stronger than is needed at the moment. But the pcie 4.0, better build quality/component quality, 3700x means....in 3-4years, when the gpu is old, I can just rip out old GPU and replace with new top end GPU. No need to respec the build. (maybe add in more RAM if need be). obviously no one has a crystal ball but you reckon this will work?

Thanks very much
Sheraz

 

[SH3ra2]

I understand. It's just me. I like the headroom I bought a 3900X and I don't even need that CPU so xD

Hi mate, can you please also given your opinion on that I've posted above, thanks