New build and i would like opinions to many variables

[Pappo666]

Hi all so its time to do a new rig since I assume my mobo died not sure I will list the items and my thoughts behind it but nothing is final if you have a better recommendation. I am all ears.

Keep in mind this PC will be taken on payment plan meaning I get the stuff and pay monthly for 3 - 5 years so I would prefer the pc to max most games during the time if possible.

First I thought of these items:

Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus IX Extreme
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-rog-maximus-ix-extreme-intel-z270-socket-1151-ddr4-motherboard-mb-68l-as.html

Cpu:Intel Core i7-7700K
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/intel-core-i7-7700k-4.2ghz-kaby-lake-socket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-62f-in.html

Ram: Corsair Dominator Platinum / 16GB / (2x8GB) / 2400MHz / DDR4 / CL10
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-DOMINATOR-Platinum-16GB-Memory/dp/B01BMQAMGC

GPU: Aorus GeForce GTX 1080Ti "Waterforce WB Xtreme Edition"
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gigabyte-aorus-geforce-gtx-1080ti-waterforce-wb-xtreme-edition-11264mb-gddr5x-pci-express-graphics-gx-004-au.html
Would prefer EVGA 1080 TI Hydro Copper but sadly not sold where i live

But I did a little research and I noticed that 8700k is about to be released and according to Sweclockers it will be 51% faster then the 7700K auto translation might be needed https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/24294-intel-core-i7-8700k-ar-51-procent-snabbare-an-core-i7-7700k

And according to http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Explore/Fastest/12 it is the fastest cpu at the moment not sure how reliable it is tho

My thoughts about these items is that both motherboard and GPU comes with pre installed waterblocks and since I already have a custom waterloop in my case it would be easier and faster to install it and should be cheaper as well since waterblocks are generally not cheap or am I wrong with these thoughts?

But then I was talking to my wife since I noticed the Maximus IX only have 3 PCIE slots that it might not be enough since one will be GPU the second would be sound card and third a PCIE SSD since those seems faster and more reliable then a M.2. So I started thinking about ROG RAMPAGE VI EXTREME https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-RAMPAGE-VI-EXTREME/ and Intel Core i7-7820X https://www.overclockers.co.uk/intel-core-i7-7820x-3.6ghz-skylake-x-basin-falls-socket-lga2066-processor-retail-cp-639-in.html and slap a waterblock on both the motherboard and cpu like I did with my current Rampage IV Extreme and 3820 which lasted from release until now so a long life spand with good performance

So that are my ideas at the moment or do you have any better recommendations?

Also I know my English is not the best but I hope you all understood it well enough

 

[Shektron]

I don't know much about custom watercooling, but what I do know is that it is very much worth it to wait for the 8700K and get a Z370 motherboard instead of a 7700K with a Z270 motherboard, especially for a high-end system. The extra cores and speed will help in nearly everything from games to vidoe editign and rendering. don't go 7700K with the 8700K just a few hours from launch now.

As for your performance expectations, what resolution and refresh rate will your monitor be? If it's 4K, don't expect the 1080 Ti to last 5 years at max details - not in AAA titles anyway. But if you are willing to either lower the details or the resolution, then yes, it can last 5 years no problems.

 

[Jester Maroc]

Your English not bad at all, good job!

Is the primary purpose of this rig gaming? Or do you plan to use it for other tasks also?

So you plan to keep the PC for about 5 years? I agree with Shecktron that you will likely need to continue upgrading GPU during this time to maintain max FPS in new and upcoming games.

I would recommend taking a look at a Ryzen PC. The multiple cores are absolutely going to become relevant in gaming sooner rather than later.

EDIT: If you do think about going Ryzen you will need faster RAM.

 

[Pappo666]

Currently I am using 1080p monitor at 60hz which is more then fine 144hz wouldn't hurt tho so if the system allow it i will upgrade that later

Hmm nice catch did not know that they were releasing Maximus X I just hope it wont take to long for the extreme edition to be released but it seems to have the same issues as IX with very few PCIE slots :s

The Apex looks good, but it have only 2 RAM slots as I can see. The Hero looks good in RAM but have only few PCIE slots. So which one you meant?
And lets hope the extreme version have 4 RAM slots and more PCIE. Also why did you recommended the z370 instead of x299, it doesn't seem worth it to me, so what is the benefits of it?

 

[Shektron]

If you go with a Ryzen system, it's best you stick to 60 Hz, maybe 100 Hz if you really want to. I would suggest considering Intel only if you want to play at 144 Hz. With such a nice graphics card, I would suggest you go to 4K 60 Hz and get a Ryzen 7 build - if you are fine with 60 Hz, that is. If you do want to try 144 Hz, then either 1440p 144 Hz or 1080p 144 Hz (depending on how long you want to keep the 1080 Ti) will require a Coffee Lake CPU. So, pick your refresh rate first, because only that'll help you decide on the CPU.

 

[Shektron]

As for Z370 vs X299 - it's pretty simple - X299 is overpriced and Z370 is not. X299 is high-end while Z370 is mainstream. I recommend Z370 because they are more reasonably priced(or at least I hope they will be), and the processors that they house are much more sensibly priced. Intel's high-end 'X' CPUs almost never made sense for gaming, and the trend continues with X299. You could just get a cheaper Z370 board with all the features you want. Wait a few days, the Z370 boards will be dropping very soon.

 

[Pappo666]

Yes Jester the main purpose is gaming, streaming and a slight bit of video editing for youtube hence why I've been using Intel up to now. I heard Ryzen is good but my trust in AMD have been gone a long while and it will take time for it to come back after all these let downs they given me. About the extra cores, yes that is why I was thinking of X299 with the 8 core 7820X and I might add that I do plan to overclock everything as far as I can. I do not expect the 1080 TI to last 5 years on 60 fps but I sure hope it does.

 

[Jester Maroc]

If you only play on 60hz there is no need for an i7 7700K. A simple i5 or Ryzen 5 can easily play any AAA title while still maxing out the 60hz at 1080p. At the same time a GTX1080ti is also overkill if you do not upgrade your monitor.

Remember:
Higher refresh rate (regardless of resolution) = stronger CPU.
Higher resolution = stronger GPU.

I would try to get a 1440p 144hz monitor if I were in your shoes and was busy getting an upgrade with these components.

 

[Shektron]

If you only play on 60hz there is no need for an i7 7700K. A simple i5 or Ryzen 5 can easily play any AAA title while still maxing out the 60hz at 1080p. At the same time a GTX1080ti is also overkill if you do not upgrade your monitor.

Remember:
Higher refresh rate (regardless of resolution) = stronger CPU.
Higher resolution = stronger GPU.

I would try to get a 1440p 144hz monitor if I were in your shoes and was busy getting an upgrade with these components.

One thing, Higher refresh rate is actually = stronger GPU + stronger CPU.

 

[Pappo666]

4K or 144hz monitor has been in my plans since they came out and I was planning on getting one before my pc got fried and the reason but the whole resolution vs frame rate is over my head since i don't know how much 144 or higher frames would benefit me when i mostly play Starcraft 2 and single player FPS / Adventure games but I have been considering that for a while I will wait and keep my eyes open on the z370 and make up my mind when they are released so I can compare them better but at the moment i am only interested in the ROG series since I've used it in the past and trust them but you are making valid points and I thank you for that

 

[Jester Maroc]

Gotcha, so streaming and editing will require more cores than the i5/Ryzen5.

I would highly recommend Ryzen 5 1600X. AMD really produced a great series with Ryzen and there have been minimal issues. For your needs Ryzen will be great since it has more cores while still providing good gaming performance.

If you still want to go the Intel route I would suggest wait a bit to see how things shape up once their Coffee Lake series of CPUs have been thoroughly reviewed. The i7 8700K should be the one to focus on as it has 6 cores 12 threads.

 

[Jester Maroc]

If you only play on 60hz there is no need for an i7 7700K. A simple i5 or Ryzen 5 can easily play any AAA title while still maxing out the 60hz at 1080p. At the same time a GTX1080ti is also overkill if you do not upgrade your monitor.

Remember:
Higher refresh rate (regardless of resolution) = stronger CPU.
Higher resolution = stronger GPU.

I would try to get a 1440p 144hz monitor if I were in your shoes and was busy getting an upgrade with these components.

One thing, Higher refresh rate is actually = stronger GPU + stronger CPU.

4K or 144hz monitor has been in my plans since they came out and I was planning on getting one before my pc got fried and the reason but the whole resolution vs frame rate is over my head since i don't know how much 144 or higher frames would benefit me when i mostly play Starcraft 2 and single player FPS / Adventure games but I have been considering that for a while I will wait and keep my eyes open on the z370 and make up my mind when they are released so I can compare them better but at the moment i am only interested in the ROG series since I've used it in the past and trust them but you are making valid points and I thank you for that

I had the same opinion, why in the world would I want anything above 60fps?

However, I started talking to friends online who had upgraded to 144hz 1080p. They swear never to go back to 60hz as the experience at 144hz is completely different. Very smooth and immersive. So I am currently saving for a 144hz monitor.

@Shektron, at very low resolution the GPU does not really matter, even a budget GPU like a 1050ti can provide +150 fps at 720p with low graphics in most games, but only a high end multicore CPU would be able to keep up. So high fps puts more stress on the CPU, it is resolution and details that stress a GPU and limits its fps.

 

[Pappo666]

yeah I will wait reviews on both 8700k and wait for Maximus X extreme reviews and then make up my mind the purchase will be start to mid of November if the move me and my wife is doing goes well and if thre reviews state that its crap (which i doubt) i might give AMD a new chance havent used them since Phenom was top notch i will take everything you and Shektron said into consideration one last thing tho if i do go for Ryzen you said i would need faster ram how fast would you recommend the reason i picked the Platinum 2400mhz is because they seem to be the sweetspot between speed and low latency but ram always been my weak side

 

[Jester Maroc]

Generally the faster the memory the better. You can read this analysis.

 

[Pappo666]

Very interesting will read it when I have more time thanks again for all the help and ideas

 

[Shektron]

I would say DDR4-3000 is the way to go now. DDR4-3200 is also good, but much more difficult to achieve. Either would be fine, but 3200 is preferred.

As for high resolution vs framerate, here's my extremely subjective opinion - 60 Hz feels like all the smooth you need. Now, bear in mind that this comes from someone who's hardly ever seen 40 FPS stable, so 60 FPS looks heavenly to me. I think better details (resolution, that is) are worth it rather than high framerate, especially if you don't play competitively. 144 Hz is totally worth it if you play competitive online multiplayers, but otherwise, 60 Hz is the sweet spot.

Now again, before someone argues, this is my subjective opinion, and in no way do I wish to inflict it on someone. OP, the choice is up to you - resolution vs framerate. If you want to stream/edit videos, and you don't want high refresh rate, Ryzen will be a much better choice. If you want high refresh rate, Coffee Lake will be a better choice.