[SOLVED] New build for HD & 4K editing in Premiere PRO - how to get the best bang for buck?

[Talupoeg]

Hi

I am mostly editing HD and 4K footage - SONY, PANASONIC, RED etc. I do the grading in Premiere PRO, sometimes use After Effects. How do you rate this build and what is the bottle neck in this setup?

CPU - AMD RyzenTM 9 5900X protsessor (12c24t, kuni 4.80GHz, 64MB)
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-5900x

GPU - MSI GeForce RTX 3060 VENTUS 2X 12G OC GEFORCE RTX 3060 VENTUS 2X 12G OC
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-3060-VENTUS-2X-12G-OC/Specification

MOTHERBOARD - GIGABYTE X570S AORUS ELITE
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570S-AORUS-ELITE-rev-10#kf

RAM - CORSAIR MEMORY DDR4 VEGEANGE LPX 64GB3200 (2*32GB) CL16
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE-LPX/p/CMK64GX4M4E3200C16

OS SYSTEM - KINGSTON 250GB NV1 M.2 2280 NVMe SSD SNVS250G
https://www.kingston.com/en/ssd/nv1-nvme-pcie-ssd

ADOBE APPS CACHE, SCRATCH - SAMSUNG EVO PLUS 970 NVME 1TB

970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD 1 TB | MZ-V7S1T0BW | Samsung Eesti

Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe SSD with a latest V-NAND and Samsung†s intelligent TurboWrite technology delivers the next-generation SSD performance

www.samsung.com

VIDEO EDITING FILES, VIDEOS, MUSIC - SAMSUNG EVO PLUS 970 NVME 2TB

970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD 2 TB | MZ-V7S2T0BW | Samsung Eesti

Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe SSD with a latest V-NAND and Samsung†s intelligent TurboWrite technology delivers the next-generation SSD performance

www.samsung.com

PROJECTS ARCHIVE - SEAGATE BARRACUDA 5400 RPM 2 x 4TB RAID
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-Internal-3-5-Inch-ST4000DM004/dp/B071WLPRHN

WINDOWS 10

POWER - FRACTAL DESIGN 760W

Ion+ 760W Platinum

The Ion+ Platinum is a high-performance fully modular PSU with whisper-quiet operation, enhanced cable flexibility and superior output quality

www.fractal-design.com

COOLER & FANS - Be quiet! Cooler CPU Dark Rock 4, 3x Arctic P12 PWM PST

 

[Lutfij]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

Go with a dual channel DDR4-3600MHz ram kit as opposed to the DDR4-3200MHz option, will get the most out of your platform. Given how your platform can take advantage of CIE 4.0 SSD's, I'd look into the Samsung 980 Pro's or their ilk as opposed to getting something prior gen from Samsung's camp.

Case for your build to go into?

 

[geofelt]

Do you have a budget?
You might want to read this article from PUGET systems on recommendations.
As I read it, 12th gen intel is likely to be a better price/performer.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recomm...obe-Premiere-Pro-143/Hardware-Recommendations

You should also plan on external backup.
Raid protects explicitly from device failure, but not from other perils.
That might include ransomware, user error, fire and so on.

 

[Why_Me]

 

[Talupoeg]

Thank you for the benchmark table.

I am usually editing camera footage - SONY, PANASONIC, RED. My budget is around 2500€/$. Building a Intell with 12900K will pump up the price even more. This means that my CPU is 200€ higher + more expensive motherboard and cooler. I can't afford RAM DDR5.

Should I downgrade on the 3 NVME-s and save money with SSD for an Intell chip?

 

[Talupoeg]

Do you have a budget?
You might want to read this article from PUGET systems on recommendations.
As I read it, 12th gen intel is likely to be a better price/performer.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recomm...obe-Premiere-Pro-143/Hardware-Recommendations

You should also plan on external backup.
Raid protects explicitly from device failure, but not from other perils.
That might include ransomware, user error, fire and so on.

Thank you for the benchmark table.
I am usually editing camera footage - SONY, PANASONIC, RED. My budget is around 2500€/$. Building a Intell with 12900K will pump up the price even more. This means that my CPU is 200€ higher + more expensive motherboard and cooler. I can't afford RAM DDR5.
Should I downgrade on the 3 NVME-s and save money with SSD for an Intell chip?

I am going to back up also on external drives for extra safety.

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90856638
ASUS TUF Gaming H670-Pro WIFI D4 €184,03

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-GAMING-H670-PRO-WIFI-D4/

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90857886
MSI MAG H670 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 €184,93

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-H670-TOMAHAWK-WIFI-DDR4

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90853515
Intel Core i7-12700F €295,71

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...2700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

Intel Core i7-12700 + Intel B660 Review

Today we have a combo review of all-new Intel hardware, our first look at the affordable Intel B660 platform, the non-K Core i7-12700 and Intel's latest box...

www.techspot.com

 

[Talupoeg]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

Go with a dual channel DDR4-3600MHz ram kit as opposed to the DDR4-3200MHz option, will get the most out of your platform. Given how your platform can take advantage of CIE 4.0 SSD's, I'd look into the Samsung 980 Pro's or their ilk as opposed to getting something prior gen from Samsung's camp.

Case for your build to go into?

There are some tests that show Premiere performing a bit better with3200MHz.

Some tests show that nvme M.2 aren't going to boost the editing by a lot compared to a fast SSD non-nvme M.2. Is upgrading to a 980 PRO beneficial?

 

[King Dranzer]

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-12900 2.4 GHz 16-Core Processor (€547.90 @ Alza)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler (€44.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B660M-A WIFI D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€155.90 @ Alza)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€119.90 @ Alza)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€93.90 @ Alza)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB Vision OC Video Card (€1384.99 @ Caseking)
Case: Corsair 4000D ATX Mid Tower Case (€84.87 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€175.89 @ Caseking)
Total: €2608.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-05-03 07:56 CEST+0200

High Quality High Performance Build suited for your needs. That RTX 3080 Ti with 12GB VRAM is good to handle decent loads in After Effects while the i9-12900 will do faster processing tough RAW footage needs lot more processing power in general like HEDT platform but in Mainstream i9-12900 will do just fine. No need to go for K(OC) version over this.

 

[King Dranzer]

Listen. Going for HDDs in RAID1 is best for storage. Specially External Storage. But you can figure that out after few months. When you get your budget up. For now 1 SSD for Running OS, Software and Storage gonna do Fine. Unless you plan to go crazy on multiple heavy Projects at once or in short period of time. In that case we need to figure out way to cut down the cost.

 

[Talupoeg]

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-12900 2.4 GHz 16-Core Processor (€547.90 @ Alza)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler (€44.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B660M-A WIFI D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€155.90 @ Alza)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€119.90 @ Alza)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€93.90 @ Alza)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB Vision OC Video Card (€1384.99 @ Caseking)
Case: Corsair 4000D ATX Mid Tower Case (€84.87 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€175.89 @ Caseking)
Total: €2608.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-05-03 07:56 CEST+0200

High Quality High Performance Build suited for your needs. That RTX 3080 Ti with 12GB VRAM is good to handle decent loads in After Effects while the i9-12900 will do faster processing tough RAW footage needs lot more processing power in general like HEDT platform but in Mainstream i9-12900 will do just fine. No need to go for K(OC) version over this.

Thank you so much for taking the time. In order to keep in the the 2600€ price range, how about downgrading the GPU and getting some separate nvme-s + additional 32GB RAM?

For editing 4K and large projects, the RAM has to be 64GB . Also, keeping the project files and cache on separate nvme-s gives a boost.

1. RAM has to be 64GB - this means+ 119,90

1. OS system 250GB nvme +33€
2. Separate storage nvme 1TB for chache and scratch files +93,90€
3. Windows 10 +100€

1. What about this GPU Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 GAMING OC 10G (rev. 2.0) NVIDIA 10 GB GDDR6X - 1069€

https://arvutitark.ee/est/tootekata...d-VGA-NVIDIA-GeForce-GeForce-30-Series/541269

CPU: Intel Core i9-12900 2.4 GHz 16-Core Processor (€547.90 @ Alza)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler (€44.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B660M-A WIFI D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€155.90 @ Alza)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€119.90 @ Alza)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€93.90 @ Alza)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB Vision OC Video Card (€1384.99 @ Caseking)
Case: Corsair 4000D ATX Mid Tower Case (€84.87 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€175.89 @ Caseking)

 

[Why_Me]

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-12900 2.4 GHz 16-Core Processor (€547.90 @ Alza)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler (€44.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B660M-A WIFI D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€155.90 @ Alza)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€119.90 @ Alza)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€93.90 @ Alza)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB Vision OC Video Card (€1384.99 @ Caseking)
Case: Corsair 4000D ATX Mid Tower Case (€84.87 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€175.89 @ Caseking)
Total: €2608.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-05-03 07:56 CEST+0200

High Quality High Performance Build suited for your needs. That RTX 3080 Ti with 12GB VRAM is good to handle decent loads in After Effects while the i9-12900 will do faster processing tough RAW footage needs lot more processing power in general like HEDT platform but in Mainstream i9-12900 will do just fine. No need to go for K(OC) version over this.

That board is going to struggle with an i9 due to its VRM's. Once that cpu hits turbo boost and that board warms up its going to throttle down.

 

[King Dranzer]

That board is going to struggle with an i9 due to its VRM's. Once that cpu hits turbo boost and that board warms up its going to throttle down.

Nope it will not. I think you are mixing it up with P version Board. This is A and will not have that issue at all.

 

[King Dranzer]

Thank you so much for taking the time. In order to keep in the the 2600€ price range, how about downgrading the GPU and getting some separate nvme-s + additional 32GB RAM?

For editing 4K and large projects, the RAM has to be 64GB . Also, keeping the project files and cache on separate nvme-s gives a boost.

1. RAM has to be 64GB - this means+ 119,90

1. OS system 250GB nvme +33€
2. Separate storage nvme 1TB for chache and scratch files +93,90€
3. Windows 10 +100€

1. What about this GPU Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 GAMING OC 10G (rev. 2.0) NVIDIA 10 GB GDDR6X - 1069€

https://arvutitark.ee/est/tootekata...d-VGA-NVIDIA-GeForce-GeForce-30-Series/541269

CPU: Intel Core i9-12900 2.4 GHz 16-Core Processor (€547.90 @ Alza)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler (€44.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B660M-A WIFI D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€155.90 @ Alza)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€119.90 @ Alza)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€93.90 @ Alza)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB Vision OC Video Card (€1384.99 @ Caseking)
Case: Corsair 4000D ATX Mid Tower Case (€84.87 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€175.89 @ Caseking)

It depends. Like for AE higher V-RAM gonna benefit. And the higher GPU compute performance as well. Going with 32GB RAM does leave you with upgrade path for 64GB by adding another kit is 32GB RAM over time. But if you scale down on GPU getting higher requirements matched as per requirements later on will not be possible as you will be stuck with that GPU unless you wanna throw down huge amount again.

That choice is up to you. I can only advise to choose the path with easy an lower budget upgradability

 

[King Dranzer]

And forget about activating Windows 10. It will do fine without it. Or fetch $20-30 one. Either way spending $100 or more on it is not meaningful in 2022.

 

[Why_Me]

Nope it will not. I think you are mixing it up with P version Board. This is A and will not have that issue at all.

That board was meant for an i5 hence the reason it has an 8 phase power design.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWJXj3e6Kc&t=140s

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3o1Ebk_jCA&t=830s

 

[Why_Me]

There are some tests that show Premiere performing a bit better with3200MHz.

Some tests show that nvme M.2 aren't going to boost the editing by a lot compared to a fast SSD non-nvme M.2. Is upgrading to a 980 PRO beneficial?

It's easier to enable XMP with DDR4 3200mhz RAM. The difference between an i7 and i9 in regards to productivity is slim not to mention the i7 uses less power and produces less heat. It's the better buy all around. Pair it up with a dual tower cooler such as that be quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 in your first post.

This board has a 12 phase power design and will run an i7 all day long. Pair it up with DDR4 3200 + that 1TB Samsung M.2 SSD in your first post along with a Samsung 2TB SATA SSD.

https://www.hinnavaatlus.ee/2333615/msi-mag-b660m-bazooka-ddr4-s1700-ddr4/
MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-BAZOOKA-DDR4

https://www.hinnavaatlus.ee/2353240/intel-socket-1700-core-i7-12700f-box/
Intel Core i7-12700F

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...2700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

 

[King Dranzer]

It's easier to enable XMP with DDR4 3200mhz RAM. The difference between an i7 and i9 in regards to productivity is slim not to mention the i7 uses less power and produces less heat. It's the better buy all around. Pair it up with a dual tower cooler such as that be quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 in your first post.

This board has a 12 phase power design and will run an i7 all day long. Pair it up with DDR4 3200 + that 1TB Samsung M.2 SSD in your first post along with a Samsung 2TB SATA SSD.

https://www.hinnavaatlus.ee/2333615/msi-mag-b660m-bazooka-ddr4-s1700-ddr4/
MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-BAZOOKA-DDR4

https://www.hinnavaatlus.ee/2353240/intel-socket-1700-core-i7-12700f-box/
Intel Core i7-12700F

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...2700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

That board was meant for an i5 hence the reason it has an 8 phase power design.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWJXj3e6Kc&t=140s

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3o1Ebk_jCA&t=830s

The guys testing them did show relevant info besides the fact that top guy was kinda not taking it for what it is. Like come on who in the world gonna pair i9-12900K or even i7-12700K or any K variant with a non OC Board like B660. Wouldn't you be spending up on for like Z690 instead. And the Locked CPUs like i9-12900 not gonna have that kind of continuous power draw over the Top. You have to realize that. That hardly gonna go close to 200W burst potential which the ASUS board can handle very easily. And 175W continuous draw is no issue for it at all. It can even go up to 185W. Not worried about it at all. You have to remember that we are discussing i9-12900 and not i9-12900K.

And MSI Intel Motherboard. No way man. That had very high failure rate over the Past Decade. MSI for AMD is kinda better than MSI Intel. MSI has worst QC. I have no issue with their GPUs as they are really good. But Motherboards are really bad. I myself have had 7 boards from different Generations out of which only 1 is barely working with only 2 ram slots functioning. Okay if you consider me unlucky then go check forums over past decade you can collect huge info regarding MSI Intel board failures. ASUS and Gigabyte being most reliable. ASRock is also much better than MSI.

 

[ocer9999]

And MSI Intel Motherboard. No way man. That had very high failure rate over the Past Decade. MSI for AMD is kinda better than MSI Intel. MSI has worst QC. I have no issue with their GPUs as they are really good. But Motherboards are really bad. I myself have had 7 boards from different Generations out of which only 1 is barely working with only 2 ram slots functioning. Okay if you consider me unlucky then go check forums over past decade you can collect huge info regarding MSI Intel board failures. ASUS and Gigabyte being most reliable. ASRock is also much better than MSI.

I share the same feelings, by personal experience the MSI boards are the most inconsistent of all other brands. That was actually one of the reasons I start using Asrock and after many years zero complains, rock solid boards and generally all of them really good deals.