New Build for heavy data work nvme vs sata ssd which should i buy?

[yoda369]

Hi, I am from India. And i am going to build a new workstation for my client components as follows. My major obstacle is the ssd kindly help me. 😀

• 
  Processor : i7 7700 no need for overclocking ie this model
  Motherboard : Asrock b250m pro or MSI b250 pro vdh or gigabyte ga b250m-d3h or asrock h110m-hdv
  ram : adata xpg ddr4 8tgb adt
  LG 20inch LED monitor
  PSU : antec bp450ps
  HDD wd2tb hdd
  GPU : geforce gt710 ddr5 (optional)will buy only if necessary
  Coolermaster 212evo cooler

now I can't decide between these two
1) Samsung 960 Evo NVMe ssd.

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B01LYFKX41/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I3NCO3DA5FI8HI&colid=IG8TMK50PSY3&psc=0

2) Samsung 850 evo sata ssd

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B00OAJ412U/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I2XCC4EXF43CB7&colid=IG8TMK50PSY3&psc=0


Purpose:

This PC is going to be used as small server in pharmaceutical distribution office. totaling 8Pcs. The major softwares going to run are sql server 2008, dot net 3.5 based invoicing software. ms office 2013. chrome, firefox and maybe vlc if they have time to watch movies. Other than these programs they will not use this pc for anything. 100% no games, no photoshop, no video audio editing

This machine will be used 100% for data crunching. main software will be installed in this pcs ssd. so the clients can use. LAN switch is gigabit. rest of the pcs have gigabit enabled lan. The wd hdd for only backup storage.

my question is there any significant improvement with PCIe ssd over sata ssd. OS is windows 7 Professional 64bit.only. And they are going to use this pc as server for next 8years or so.

Ps: the h110 series board will choose if sata ssd is sufficient. If anyone going to suggest better hardware please suggest from amazon.in website.

And PSU can i use generic psu such as below or do i need to stick with antec model above.

https://www.amazon.in/ZEBION-Switching-Supply-Desktop-Silver/dp/B0749JMP8S/ref=sr_1_24?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1516731369&sr=1-24&keywords=smps

will buy the nvme ssd if there is going to be a visible performance improvement on the mentioned criteria. if there is going to be negligible change then we can stick with sata model. my past experience with nvmes are i used them for hackintosh and gaming builds, video editing workstations i saw the improvement there but i am wondering that magic may not be visible in data builds that is why I am asking your help.

 

[EpIckFa1LJoN]

There is a significant difference but only under prolonged heavy read/write loads. Downloads it has 0 effect because even SATA SSDs are bottlenecked by download speeds from ISPs. Gaming it decreases load times substantially, and for say video editing it can read/write those videos from the drive incredibly quickly compared to SATA. So I'd say for this just go with the SATA SSD I don't think there is any reason to go NVMe over SATA for this.

 

[Darkbreeze]

There is a significant difference but only under prolonged heavy read/write loads. Downloads it has 0 effect because even SATA SSDs are bottlenecked by download speeds from ISPs. Gaming it decreases load times substantially, and for say video editing it can read/write those videos from the drive incredibly quickly compared to SATA. So I'd say for this just go with the SATA SSD I don't think there is any reason to go NVMe over SATA for this.

None of your commentary applies to the usage which has been put forth as the primary reason for this system. He even specifically bolded the fact that no gaming, video editing or graphics. Really wish you guys would start paying attention to the questions.

 

[EpIckFa1LJoN]

There is a significant difference but only under prolonged heavy read/write loads. Downloads it has 0 effect because even SATA SSDs are bottlenecked by download speeds from ISPs. Gaming it decreases load times substantially, and for say video editing it can read/write those videos from the drive incredibly quickly compared to SATA. So I'd say for this just go with the SATA SSD I don't think there is any reason to go NVMe over SATA for this.

None of your commentary applies to the usage which has been put forth as the primary reason for this system. He even specifically bolded the fact that no gaming, video editing or graphics. Really wish you guys would start paying attention to the questions.

That's why I suggested a SATA drive instead of NVMe because there would ONLY be a difference in those scenarios... Which the PC would NOT be used for...

really wish YOU would pay attention.

Most servers use an array of HDD's not a single drive anyway as in server applications, faster drives only increase speeds by fractions of a second. Actually one could argue that it is similar for gaming, I would say at most my NVMe saves me about 1 second or 2 on load screens, I also have both a 960 Pro 1TB and an 850 Pro 512GB, both are plenty fast for my purposes and I don't do heavy read/write either, so for the price it is not even worth it to the vast majority of people.

 

[Darkbreeze]

First of all, you are TOTALLY off base with your thoughts regarding the power supply. If this machine is intended to be used for the next 8 years, and if you wish for EVERYTHING else in the system to have any chance of actually LASTING more than three or four, you should be heavily investing in the highest quality power supply you can reasonably include with the system. There are very good reasons for this.

You don't need a high capacity power supply, but you DO want a high quality power supply, and I can assure you 100% that that Zebion unit is not only NOT high quality, it's probably not even loosely capable of being called low quality. A pure nightmare waiting to happen is what that is. Get the idea of using some off brand, no name, firestarter right out of your head or you might as well just stop right now with the idea that this unit is going to offer you any kind of long term, trouble free operation. It would be unlikely to even make it through the year without problems, especially in the known high ambient temperatures that you have in your region.

I can guarantee that unit, if it were ever reputably tested, would 100% show to have high, damaging levels of ripple and noise. This is a big problem for longevity as ripple and noise tend to cripple motherboards, hard drives and other components, by overheating the capacitors in a relatively short amount of time. These cheap units often also lack basic protections, opting instead to use cheap tricks to pass basic testing qualifications. For reliability, which is what you SHOULD be looking at, you want a good 350-450w (A little overkill in capacity, but likely to allow the unit to operate in a range unlikely to have potential heat issues causes by running TOO close to peak which can make them loud and hot) unit made by somebody like Delta, Seasonic, CWT, FSP or Super Flower, sold under the brand names of Seasonic, Antec, Corsair, Super Flower, EVGA, FSP or Delta.

And it's important to note that not EVERY unit sold by those brands is a good, reliable unit, but you are certainly more likely to find one that IS by sticking with them. I can certainly help you pick out a unit that WILL be reliable, efficient and safe.

You can find some good information on power supplies here:


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low-cost-psu-pc-power-supply,2862.html
And here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html


As to the storage drives, I'd stick with SATA unless the processes you know will be in use will be likely to involve transfers of very large sequential files OR will involve very high queue depth operations, neither of which it sounds as though will be the case, in your case.

Since you plan for this unit to have a very long lifespan I might even recommend to avoid SSD technology altogether, and go with an enterprise spinning hard drive that will have a much, much longer lifespan in most cases, at least as a backup of whatever important information will be stored for the purpose of DB and critical operations. Using a SATA SSD for the primary drive and a spinning enterprise hard drive as the backup would give you at least some measure of protection against data loss unless you have additional servers or network attached storage for this purpose.

Regardless of the data storage you really want to have some kind of regular basis back up of the primary drive as well so that in the even of a drive failure or data corruption you can instantly put the backup into service while dealing with the failed drive or data corruption. Which is another reason you do NOT want a cheap power supply. Brownouts caused by cheap power supplies, that are below the threshold you might notice indications of something being wrong at are not at all uncommon with low end units and this can cause nearly instant OR long term, silent corruption of data until these errors have infiltrated both your main and backup data to the point that it becomes either unusable or simply begins showing errors that you will never be able to pin down as far was where they are coming from. Not worth the risk.

 

[yoda369]

First of all, you are TOTALLY off base with your thoughts regarding the power supply. If this machine is intended to be used for the next 8 years, and if you wish for EVERYTHING else in the system to have any chance of actually LASTING more than three or four, you should be heavily investing in the highest quality power supply you can reasonably include with the system. There are very good reasons for this.

You don't need a high capacity power supply, but you DO want a high quality power supply, and I can assure you 100% that that Zebion unit is not only NOT high quality, it's probably not even loosely capable of being called low quality. A pure nightmare waiting to happen is what that is. Get the idea of using some off brand, no name, firestarter right out of your head or you might as well just stop right now with the idea that this unit is going to offer you any kind of long term, trouble free operation. It would be unlikely to even make it through the year without problems, especially in the known high ambient temperatures that you have in your region.

I can guarantee that unit, if it were ever reputably tested, would 100% show to have high, damaging levels of ripple and noise. This is a big problem for longevity as ripple and noise tend to cripple motherboards, hard drives and other components, by overheating the capacitors in a relatively short amount of time. These cheap units often also lack basic protections, opting instead to use cheap tricks to pass basic testing qualifications. For reliability, which is what you SHOULD be looking at, you want a good 350-450w (A little overkill in capacity, but likely to allow the unit to operate in a range unlikely to have potential heat issues causes by running TOO close to peak which can make them loud and hot) unit made by somebody like Delta, Seasonic, CWT, FSP or Super Flower, sold under the brand names of Seasonic, Antec, Corsair, Super Flower, EVGA, FSP or Delta.

And it's important to note that not EVERY unit sold by those brands is a good, reliable unit, but you are certainly more likely to find one that IS by sticking with them. I can certainly help you pick out a unit that WILL be reliable, efficient and safe.

You can find some good information on power supplies here:


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low-cost-psu-pc-power-supply,2862.html
And here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html


As to the storage drives, I'd stick with SATA unless the processes you know will be in use will be likely to involve transfers of very large sequential files OR will involve very high queue depth operations, neither of which it sounds as though will be the case, in your case.

Since you plan for this unit to have a very long lifespan I might even recommend to avoid SSD technology altogether, and go with an enterprise spinning hard drive that will have a much, much longer lifespan in most cases, at least as a backup of whatever important information will be stored for the purpose of DB and critical operations. Using a SATA SSD for the primary drive and a spinning enterprise hard drive as the backup would give you at least some measure of protection against data loss unless you have additional servers or network attached storage for this purpose.

Regardless of the data storage you really want to have some kind of regular basis back up of the primary drive as well so that in the even of a drive failure or data corruption you can instantly put the backup into service while dealing with the failed drive or data corruption. Which is another reason you do NOT want a cheap power supply. Brownouts caused by cheap power supplies, that are below the threshold you might notice indications of something being wrong at are not at all uncommon with low end units and this can cause nearly instant OR long term, silent corruption of data until these errors have infiltrated both your main and backup data to the point that it becomes either unusable or simply begins showing errors that you will never be able to pin down as far was where they are coming from. Not worth the risk.

hi, darkbreeze and epickfa1ljon. Thank you both for in-depth answers.Let me introduce myself, I am a longtime reader of toms forums with the user id of VDR369 unfortunately i forgot my password and unable to reset it. And I do chip-level repair in my town.

I agree with you on the psu. I've been using below psu in my pc for almost 7years without any issue.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094
I have used this psu in at least 100 builds.

but why i am asking the cheap psu is because of the budget. I gave quotation for BP450PS to my client.
https://www.amazon.in/Antec-BP450PS-450-Watt-SMPS/dp/B00O32KT8E/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1516735399&sr=1-1&keywords=antec

If NVMe ssd has just negligible effect then I will proceed with sata ssd and h110m board. is there any gain by choosing b250 series over the h110 if i am going to use sata ssd.

And can you suggest any good psu from amazon.in since the ssd matter has almost settled. And the WD hdd is for backup purpose they don't need industrial backup drive because their daily data gets uploaded to the cloud. that hdd almost stays just empty. they will hardly use 50gb from the hdd. They also store a backup in separate external hdd.

The reason I asked for the ssd is during their peak time all 8pcs will be used for invoicing and doing excel and access related tasks. all data is stored in server. the main invoicing software and its package its ODBC data will be stored in this server. sequential data stream will happen.

thank you both, eagerly awaiting your reply. sorry for spell errors. and the gpu is it really necessary for their work. will it help in anyway. if not i can adjust that money on a good motherboard or psu.

 

[Darkbreeze]

With those kinds of multiple workstation accesses it might really be advisable to look to an enterprise SSD, rather than a mainstream or enthusiast model. Both for overall speed AND longevity reasons.

There are clear differences in designs, such as the type of cells, processors, cache and controllers used, which we can get into but will forego for the moment. You can find lots of information on this with a quick Google search although I suspect you might have some knowledge of this already but I felt it was at least worth pointing out in the meantime. I'd highly recommend using an SSD INTENDED for these kinds of workloads versus one intended for a mostly read only mainstream gaming or browsing machine.


I really don't think there is a lot of difference between the H110 and B250 boards in regard to the storage controllers because we are long past the point where practically everything currently being made has long ago implemented the full specification of SATA 3, although obviously you are going to see faster theoretical speeds with M.2 PCIe. Also, you CAN get enterprise PCIe M.2, but you are going to pay dearly for it.

Most any modern board will work equally well for both HDD and SSD on SATA3, with the main differences among chipset/board models being how the lane structure is assigned, with some board opting to disable some of the SATA ports when M.2 is used along with a graphics card. Not 100% positive but since you'll be unlikely to NEED to use a PCIe graphics card with this system, and I probably wouldn't recommend doing so anyhow, you might actually not have to pay a pentalty on any M.2 PCIe capable motherboard since the lanes needed to use the PCIe graphics card will not be a factor. I'll check into that further if need be. Probably also matters how many actual drives will be used in this system.

 

[yoda369]

With those kinds of multiple workstation accesses it might really be advisable to look to an enterprise SSD, rather than a mainstream or enthusiast model. Both for overall speed AND longevity reasons.

There are clear differences in designs, such as the type of cells, processors, cache and controllers used, which we can get into but will forego for the moment. You can find lots of information on this with a quick Google search although I suspect you might have some knowledge of this already but I felt it was at least worth pointing out in the meantime. I'd highly recommend using an SSD INTENDED for these kinds of workloads versus one intended for a mostly read only mainstream gaming or browsing machine.


I really don't think there is a lot of difference between the H110 and B250 boards in regard to the storage controllers because we are long past the point where practically everything currently being made has long ago implemented the full specification of SATA 3, although obviously you are going to see faster theoretical speeds with M.2 PCIe. Also, you CAN get enterprise PCIe M.2, but you are going to pay dearly for it.

Most any modern board will work equally well for both HDD and SSD on SATA3, with the main differences among chipset/board models being how the lane structure is assigned, with some board opting to disable some of the SATA ports when M.2 is used along with a graphics card. Not 100% positive but since you'll be unlikely to NEED to use a PCIe graphics card with this system, and I probably wouldn't recommend doing so anyhow, you might actually not have to pay a pentalty on any M.2 PCIe capable motherboard since the lanes needed to use the PCIe graphics card will not be a factor. I'll check into that further if need be. Probably also matters how many actual drives will be used in this system.

Thank you again for the answer. I apologize for saying this i was unable to understand what you are saying. But the pro/industrial ssd is out of budget. And do that gt710 gpu gives any additional benefit for their work or should i skip that card and invest in mother board or better cooler for the cpu. Only two drives one ssd(boot drive) 2nd HDD (storage) no ODD. No raid. And is there any practical advantage or visible improvement if i buy the NVMe ssd. theoretical speeds doesn't work with my client.

If the gpu can improve the life of that pc then i will keep it if there is no advantage over it i can use that money elsewhere. Which b250 board will you suggest and the psu.will that BP450 work or should i buy the older model of VP450 from antec.

 

[Darkbreeze]

If you buy an Intel CPU with integrated graphics, practically anything from Skylake to Coffeelake will have more than enough graphics capability for any non-gaming usage. Even HD or Ultra-HD video watching. I do not see a need to buy the GT 710 as the HD graphics 630 or UHD graphics 630 found on Kaby and Coffee lake CPUs will likely be as good or better than what that card can provide anyhow, if you go with something from those families.

I'd put the money elsewhere in the build rather than into a graphics card that's not needed. Modern integrated graphics are highly advanced compared to those of the old days.

The BP450 or VP450 models are not terrible overall, in fact they used to be somewhat of go-to models for me on lower end builds, but I've had a lot of troubles, with multiple successive failures on VP450 units, and including also some separate but also questionable build quality issues on some of the VP450 variants like the VP450p, VP450f, etc.


That unit, FSP Hydro X 450w, is the best low cost option available in your region on Amazon, has all japanese capacitor selection and a gold efficiency rating. In will likely run quieter, longer and use less electricity and create less heat than any other low cost option available to you. Certainly a Seasonic unit might be a better long term solution, but they are also a lot more expensive through retail channels in India. This unit is far better investment than any of the BP or VP series units, even than the generally reliable EA earthwatts Antec units that I sometimes use on low end builds. Don't skimp here, it's not worth it to you or to the client in the long run. Reliability is key. This is a reliable unit, especially factoring in your typically high ambient temperatures that have a definite effect on capacitor life.

Clearly there are lots of ways you can go, but initially at least these would seem to be good, reliable choices.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250-HD3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (₹6352.83 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (₹6372.00 @ Amazon India)
Power Supply: FSP Group - Hydro X 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (₹5015.25 @ Amazon India)
Total: ₹17740.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-24 03:10 IST+0530


Review of the FSP Hydro X 450w unit.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fsp-hydro-x-450-power-supply,4495-10.html

 

[yoda369]

If you buy an Intel CPU with integrated graphics, practically anything from Skylake to Coffeelake will have more than enough graphics capability for any non-gaming usage. Even HD or Ultra-HD video watching. I do not see a need to buy the GT 710 as the HD graphics 630 or UHD graphics 630 found on Kaby and Coffee lake CPUs will likely be as good or better than what that card can provide anyhow, if you go with something from those families.

I'd put the money elsewhere in the build rather than into a graphics card that's not needed. Modern integrated graphics are highly advanced compared to those of the old days.

The BP450 or VP450 models are not terrible overall, in fact they used to be somewhat of go-to models for me on lower end builds, but I've had a lot of troubles, with multiple successive failures on VP450 units, and including also some separate but also questionable build quality issues on some of the VP450 variants like the VP450p, VP450f, etc.


That unit, FSP Hydro X 450w, is the best low cost option available in your region on Amazon, has all japanese capacitor selection and a gold efficiency rating. In will likely run quieter, longer and use less electricity and create less heat than any other low cost option available to you. Certainly a Seasonic unit might be a better long term solution, but they are also a lot more expensive through retail channels in India. This unit is far better investment than any of the BP or VP series units, even than the generally reliable EA earthwatts Antec units that I sometimes use on low end builds. Don't skimp here, it's not worth it to you or to the client in the long run. Reliability is key. This is a reliable unit, especially factoring in your typically high ambient temperatures that have a definite effect on capacitor life.

Clearly there are lots of ways you can go, but initially at least these would seem to be good, reliable choices.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250-HD3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (₹6352.83 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (₹6372.00 @ Amazon India)
Power Supply: FSP Group - Hydro X 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (₹5015.25 @ Amazon India)
Total: ₹17740.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-24 03:10 IST+0530


Review of the FSP Hydro X 450w unit.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fsp-hydro-x-450-power-supply,4495-10.html

Thank you for the helpful answer but the pricing is way too much without warranty:

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B01NCWF5M4/?tag=pcp03-21
https://www.amazon.in/dp/B01F5LX0WI/?tag=pcp03-21

sadly there is no better psu that is in budget all the good ones are above 7000rupee and no warranty in India. If you can find any model that is lower than 5000 and indian warranty that would be most helpful.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Let me look at this again this evening. I'll try to find some other options. Do you NEED it to be Amazon, or are you good with Newegg India or Flipkart/Snapdeal purchases as well?

 

[yoda369]

Let me look at this again this evening. I'll try to find some other options. Do you NEED it to be Amazon, or are you good with Newegg India or Flipkart/Snapdeal purchases as well?

Thank you so much, unfortunately yes it must be in amazon.in cause we have a business account ie we can get a bit discount so only amazon.in. sorry if i troubled you. see you soon. 😀

and please suggest an UPS I know a 600va ups can't support this pc but if there is any possibility please tell me.

 

[Darkbreeze]

If they can't afford a 5000inr power supply, they certainly can't afford ANY of the UPS models that are worth buying. The ones they CAN afford, are simply providing a false sense of security and are not actually providing any value or actual protection from anything. They'll likely spend more money in replacement batteries, because the cheap units come with SUCH cheap batteries, that they'd save way more buy buying ONE good one from the start.

I've been up and down this path with tons of Indian members in the past on UPS issues, and the end result is almost always the same. They buy cheap UPS against my recommendations, then a year later come back to say they've had to replace the batteries twice already and "please what was the model you gave me before bacause these batteries are too expensive to replace."

Either buy a GOOD model, ONCE, or don't use a UPS at all. Of course you'll still have to replace batteries in them at some point, but it will be a LOT less frequently AND they'll actually work when you need them to. Also, you will need to get a unit with pure sine wave, otherwise I 100% guarantee you will have issues with practically any modern power supply worth it's salt.

I have a feeling like maybe I am wasting my time even telling you any of this because I suspect, much as happens in a number of similar threads, you will probably end up doing exactly what you had planned to do from the start and were really just looking for encouragement that yes, you were doing the right thing from the beginning. But regardless, the information is here if you choose to listen to it in any case.


Also keep in mind that you will need to buy a CPU cooler if you go with the i7-7700k, because the K models do not come with CPU coolers. Better would probably be the i7-7700, which is only marginally slower on the clock speed overall and does come with a CPU cooler. Plus, you won't be overclocking anyhow and the i7-7700 is probably far more than you need in any case. Honestly, I might even suggest that a Xeon would be better suited for your needs, but then you'd need to purchase a graphics card so no sense in changing that.

Looking back at your original outline as well, I really doubt that 8GB of RAM is going to be enough for this machine if it will be serving applications AND handling file services for 8 other machines. 16GB would be the minimum you are likely to get by with unless you know something I don't or they are ok with needing to wait on operations, which kind of defeats the purpose of having the i7 for speed and simultaneous load handling.

Actually, you know what, I give up. Good luck. Amazon India sucks butt. I can't find practically ANYTHING on there that doesn't say either No warranty for India or just plain no warranty. I can't pick out parts like that. Waste of time. Amazon.in is WORTHLESS if you ask me.

 

[yoda369]

If they can't afford a 5000inr power supply, they certainly can't afford ANY of the UPS models that are worth buying. The ones they CAN afford, are simply providing a false sense of security and are not actually providing any value or actual protection from anything. They'll likely spend more money in replacement batteries, because the cheap units come with SUCH cheap batteries, that they'd save way more buy buying ONE good one from the start.

I've been up and down this path with tons of Indian members in the past on UPS issues, and the end result is almost always the same. They buy cheap UPS against my recommendations, then a year later come back to say they've had to replace the batteries twice already and "please what was the model you gave me before bacause these batteries are too expensive to replace."

Either buy a GOOD model, ONCE, or don't use a UPS at all. Of course you'll still have to replace batteries in them at some point, but it will be a LOT less frequently AND they'll actually work when you need them to. Also, you will need to get a unit with pure sine wave, otherwise I 100% guarantee you will have issues with practically any modern power supply worth it's salt.

I have a feeling like maybe I am wasting my time even telling you any of this because I suspect, much as happens in a number of similar threads, you will probably end up doing exactly what you had planned to do from the start and were really just looking for encouragement that yes, you were doing the right thing from the beginning. But regardless, the information is here if you choose to listen to it in any case.


Also keep in mind that you will need to buy a CPU cooler if you go with the i7-7700k, because the K models do not come with CPU coolers. Better would probably be the i7-7700, which is only marginally slower on the clock speed overall and does come with a CPU cooler. Plus, you won't be overclocking anyhow and the i7-7700 is probably far more than you need in any case. Honestly, I might even suggest that a Xeon would be better suited for your needs, but then you'd need to purchase a graphics card so no sense in changing that.

Looking back at your original outline as well, I really doubt that 8GB of RAM is going to be enough for this machine if it will be serving applications AND handling file services for 8 other machines. 16GB would be the minimum you are likely to get by with unless you know something I don't or they are ok with needing to wait on operations, which kind of defeats the purpose of having the i7 for speed and simultaneous load handling.

Actually, you know what, I give up. Good luck. Amazon India sucks butt. I can't find practically ANYTHING on there that doesn't say either No warranty for India or just plain no warranty. I can't pick out parts like that. Waste of time. Amazon.in is WORTHLESS if you ask me.

Thank you so much for your time and patience. I really appreciate it. I am thinking same thing about the ram and discussed it with the client. initially we will buy the 8gb within 1year another 8gb. The reason for this is single 8gb ddr4 ram is almost 7000inr. 1year before it was around 4000 so we are thinking the prices may reduce. and UPS is used for less than 2minit. The reason is they have an inverter power supply. Since it is a medical distribution they have a inverter and power generator. My question is do i really need 1000va ups.Xeon i thought about but moved on since it needs a ecc ram for full advantage and that price is much more and to use xeon fully they need a server OS but they are going to use windows 7. I changed it to i7. And there won't be any overclocking.

The main reason i chose i7 is the price only e3-1220 v5 is within budget but that is lower end processor compared to i7 in my opinion. motherboard and ram costing too much. And the Cooler master 212 evo model is that sufficient enough with i7-7700 since they won't be doing any overclocking(i know its a locked processor). Ram will be 16gb but not upfront. UPS sole purpose is to keep the pc running while switching power from ac to inverter vice versa.

The cases going to be either
https://www.amazon.in/Cooler-Master-Elite-Cabinet-Blue/dp/B00DVTCFLO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1516779948&sr=8-3&keywords=cooler+master+310

or
https://www.amazon.in/Corsair-Carbide-CC-9011050-WW-Mid-Tower-Gaming/dp/B00I6BJATW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1516779916&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+carbide

 

[Darkbreeze]

Prices are going to go up, not down. It will likely be until DDR5 is released before DDR4 prices go down because of the issues with a lack of fab and material shortages.

If you NEED 16GB, which I think you DO, it would be best that they bite the bullet and buy now. Prices are not likely to go back down anytime soon and have rather steadily been going UP over the last three months.

https://epsnews.com/2017/09/22/expect-tight-dram-supply-2018-possible-oversupply-nand-flash/


Xeon is exactly the same cores, same cache structure, same everything, at least traditionally, as their equivalent i5 and i7 siblings. They are the same architecture across the board unless something has changed in this or the last gen. Prior to that they have been identical minus the integrated graphics but I agree, because in this case you WANT the integrated graphics so you will not need to buy an additional graphics card that will largely go unused anyhow except for configuration of the system and occasional maintenance. I doubt much will be done on this system that will utilize the graphics processing capabilities in any capacity other than that.

I'd go with the Carbide series case simply for the better cooling capabilities. Lack of cooling on systems that people don't THINK need much cooling since they are not "gaming" or "graphics" machines, is often a big part of why these lower end server and workstation builds don't last as long as they should.

I think the UPS is up to you, but I'll point out this thread from another Indian member that I helped to spell out some of the regional problems you might encounter and why I say that a pure sine wave unit is critical. It may not be relevant in this case and I am unfamiliar with the need for an inverter in an industrial or residential power grid. Are you saying they need this because the grid power is DC and must be changed to AC for use with their devices? I've never heard such a thing from any Indian member before so I'm somewhat confused on this.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Actually, I can't find that thread. If I do I'll link to it here. Sorry.

 

[yoda369]

We live in a tier 2 City where power cuts are a common thing. Up until 3years back in summer we used to daily mandated power-cuts of 2hours. And my client being a medicine and life saving drugs distributors they need the inverter. They use two 850va Pure sign wave inverter units with 150ah tubular batteries for backup. in these two inverter one unit is just for the computers and the other is for refrigerators and cold room.

The power cuts are very rare nowadays but they do happen on weekly or monthly basis just a 10 to 15min. The UPS will be used just for the sake of os not getting corrupt cause of power-failure turnoff. simply put. If we didn't use the ups when the ac power out and inverter dc power kicking in that two split seconds time pc gets turned off. The sole purpose of the UPS is just this. Power grid is AC. but as I said above inverter is a backup power for power cuts.

And in our budget range only xeon e3 is available and i had very bad experience with e3 chips. That is major reason I went with i7 for this setup. And the ram first i chose corsair vengeance then moved to adata xpg ddr4. And I searched my local market thoroughly and find below model for 5200

https://www.amazon.in/Kingston-ValueRAM-KVR21R15S4-8HA-2133MHz/dp/B014R8KB8Q/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1516869924&sr=1-2&keywords=valueram+ddr4+8gb

https://www.amazon.in/ADATA-ADT-DDR4-U-DIMM-2400/dp/B01M0QPJ6O/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1516869709&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=adata+rpg+ddr4

the problem with the kingston ram is the seller won't sell the ram alone, that price is only when we buy all components from him and the pricing of other parts are 10% higher than amazon.in

almost all parts are decided except for the psu and ups. And the ram issue is just the price so what my buyer decided is to buy 16gb if it comes under 10000 rupee, if not buying 8gb initially and additional 8gb after a month or so checking the performance of the pc.

Once again thank you so much for every detailed answers.

 

[Darkbreeze]

You are welcome, and do them a favor, talk them into the ADATA memory over the Kingston ValueRAM if possible. I've used ValueRAM before, and it works out SOMETIMES, but I've had many issues with compatibility especially later when I tried to add additional memory to a module or modules that I had bought previously, or that a client had. Not worth the trouble.

Truthfully, I will no longer buy memory unless it is Micron/Crucial, G.Skill, Corsair, IBM, Mushkin, SK Hynix or Samsung. Occasionally, and only if there is a really good deal on it with a significant price difference, I will buy PNY, Kingston, Patriot or ADATA, but I usually avoid them as they tend to change up the ICs on their modules, even when they are the exact same part number, far too often to make later compatibility a painless process. Sometimes they are fine, but if I can get what I need without going that route, I do.

 

[yoda369]

You are welcome, and do them a favor, talk them into the ADATA memory over the Kingston ValueRAM if possible. I've used ValueRAM before, and it works out SOMETIMES, but I've had many issues with compatibility especially later when I tried to add additional memory to a module or modules that I had bought previously, or that a client had. Not worth the trouble.

Truthfully, I will no longer buy memory unless it is Micron/Crucial, G.Skill, Corsair, IBM, Mushkin, SK Hynix or Samsung. Occasionally, and only if there is a really good deal on it with a significant price difference, I will buy PNY, Kingston, Patriot or ADATA, but I usually avoid them as they tend to change up the ICs on their modules, even when they are the exact same part number, far too often to make later compatibility a painless process. Sometimes they are fine, but if I can get what I need without going that route, I do.

Thank you for the answers. Sorry for late reply. Couldn't come out due to fever. I tried my local markets for corsair vengeance but couldn't find them under budget. so ADATA is the final contender. Processor has been changed to 6700k thanks to lack of windows 7 support on kabylake. All is set except for cpu cooler. is there any performance difference between below two coolers? please tell me why? Do the gap between copper pipes reduces any cooling efficiency or can i buy the turbo model which has two pwm fans.

Cooler Master 212 LED & Turbo

Cooler Master 212 EVO

the Links for all three coolers.

CM212 LED Red :

CM 212 LED Turbo :

And CM 212 EVO

almost forgot : CM Hyper 212x

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yes, there is a difference. Unless you are overclocking the difference is not that significant. The 212 EVO is a better cooler though.

I don't think you actually need one that capable for the type of system you are going to be running this in though. A stock Intel cooler for an i7-6700 would work fine.

In reality, this is a better cooler than any of those, and is less expensive.

https://www.amazon.in/Deepcool-GAMMAXX-400-Universal-Cooler/dp/B007JEMXYQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517180803&sr=8-1&keywords=deepcool+gammaxx+400

 

[yoda369]

Yes, there is a difference. Unless you are overclocking the difference is not that significant. The 212 EVO is a better cooler though.

I don't think you actually need one that capable for the type of system you are going to be running this in though. A stock Intel cooler for an i7-6700 would work fine.

In reality, this is a better cooler than any of those, and is less expensive.

https://www.amazon.in/Deepcool-GAMMAXX-400-Universal-Cooler/dp/B007JEMXYQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517180803&sr=8-1&keywords=deepcool+gammaxx+400

Thank you,

Do i need Arctic MX-4 Thermal Compound

As I said earlier there will never be overclocking only stock speed. do arctic freezer i32 co offer any better performance or Should i just place the order for deepcool. is that single fan sufficient. In summer our city temps go above 45degree centigrade. Even though they use an air conditioner. If deepcool is clear winner then my build will complete.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I think the Gammaxx comes with paste, but TBH I like to use either Arctic MX-4 if that is what you have, or one of these.


https://www.amazon.in/noctua-NT-H1-Noctua-Thermal-Compound/dp/B002CQU14A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517184282&sr=8-1&keywords=Noctua+NT-h1


https://www.amazon.in/Arctic-Silver-Thermal-Compound-3-5G/dp/B0087X728K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517184321&sr=8-1&keywords=arctic+silver+5


Even most other stock thermal pastes that come with various coolers should be fine. You are not overclocking nor are thermals likely to be a big deal. From stock paste to high end liquid metal pastes there is only a few degrees difference anyhow, if that.

 

[yoda369]

everything is sorted out. final question is do i really need to buy it for them. Or the stock paste that comes with gammaxx is sufficient. I got a reputation in my town that my pcs lasts longer. So i didn't want to cheap out on paste. Already crossed budget. But if there is going to be benefit by using it i will go for noctua or arcitic. Since they are going to use this PC in AC room, I am having this question.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I don't know for sure that the Gammaxx comes with paste. Normally they do, but I can't remember if the last one I bought had paste or not because I normally use the Noctua or Cryorig paste. For me, I generally always use either Noctua NT-H1, Cryorig Cryopaste or Arctic Silver 5. If none of those is available I'd probably recommend the MX4, which I actually am looking at an unused tube of right now.

 

[yoda369]

I don't know for sure that the Gammaxx comes with paste. Normally they do, but I can't remember if the last one I bought had paste or not because I normally use the Noctua or Cryorig paste. For me, I generally always use either Noctua NT-H1, Cryorig Cryopaste or Arctic Silver 5. If none of those is available I'd probably recommend the MX4, which I actually am looking at an unused tube of right now.

Thanks,
Previously i used noctua for my personal builds and hackintosh builds. so as per your suggestion and my past experience i ordered noctua. Thank you so much for all help. 😀 although i crossed the budget by 7000/-

once again thank you so much 😀