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The only thing I would question is the 4 X 8 GB DRAM. I've recently seen an article that said 2 X 16 GB would be better. The motherboard is dual channel so populating 4 DRAM sockets might slow things down a bit although I doubt you would ever notice it.
 

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That cpu can handle more than the GPU, so you're in the more comfortable position.
Your GPU is way weaker than other parts. its good for non-gaming build though.
if you game you that gpu is around 9400 class if we compare to CPU, if you want to have better balance and squeeze best out of build, RTX 2070 super is your GPU
 

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Thanks for the replies. I will game on the pc but it wont be heavy gaming etc, i want to make it future proof if that makes sense. I built my last pc in 2009 on AM3+ platform running a 965 black edition and has lasted me all the way until now and its out of date now and want to build something to last me the same time and without having to upgrade any parts. The m.2 drive im not worried about as that will only have windows installed on it and then i will have a ssd for games and programs etc and hdd for files. I will look into the memory and graphics card.
 

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In all honestly I would avoid the actual Core i5 segment in any build that wants to be future proof. For me is the worst choice one can do today, simple not worth it.

To add to what logainofhades asked, I would also ask, Whats your resolution and refresh rate hopes for gaming?
 

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My budget would be £2k, in between 2009 and now i built a ryzen system based on a 1600x and i did not like it and sold that pc. Iv always had AMD based boards and want to go over to intel and see what its about
 

logainofhades

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You picked a bad time to consider Intel. Ryzen 3000 is where it's at. I replaced my 6700k, with a 3700x, myself. The current Intel platform, is a dead end.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£278.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£67.51 @ More Computers)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (£234.97 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3733 Memory (£79.42 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£99.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£202.86 @ Technextday)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card (£638.46 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£114.08 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£91.77 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1808.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Their next gen doesn't appear to be anything special either. Intel sat on their laurels for far too long.

 

RodroX

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If I had that amount to spend I will go with something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£454.38 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£147.97 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£229.99 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£145.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£140.62 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB AORUS Video Card (£539.92 @ More Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£91.49 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£155.34 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1905.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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You may be even able to squish an RTX 2080 super in too:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£454.38 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£147.97 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£229.99 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£145.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£140.62 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card (£638.46 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£91.49 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£155.34 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £2004.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Cheers
 

logainofhades

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A 1000w PSU is totally unnecessary for such a build. Even with overclocking, an 850w is more than enough.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£454.38 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£147.97 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£229.99 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£145.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£109.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card (£638.46 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£91.49 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£115.99 @ Box Limited)
Total: £1934.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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logainofhades

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You get 95% of the performance, for less money. Less heat, less power consumption. You also get an upgrade path. You can do a drop in upgrade to a 12 or 16 core cpu, in the future. Also x570 will be compatible with 4th gen ryzen, when they are released. The 9900k is a dead end. I modified my earlier build, and was able to squeeze in a 2080ti.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£278.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£67.51 @ More Computers)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (£234.97 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3733 Memory (£79.42 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£99.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£89.98 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING AMP Video Card (£965.34 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (£90.24 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£91.98 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1998.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Naveed_5

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Whats performance like with the ryzen cpu and overclocking wise? when i had the 1600x i felt like that pc was slow and laggy and didnt really notice much difference from my current am3 pc. Im stuck between which platform to go for as i dont want to be going back and fourth
 
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The only thing I would question is the 4 X 8 GB DRAM. I've recently seen an article that said 2 X 16 GB would be better. The motherboard is dual channel so populating 4 DRAM sockets might slow things down a bit although I doubt you would ever notice it.
Any chance you can find this article. Or explain why this is? Reason is I'm currently contemplating this decision right here (4x8 vs. 2x16) and looking for a good reason to do one, or the other.
 

RodroX

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A 1000w PSU is totally unnecessary for such a build. Even with overclocking, an 850w is more than enough.
lol I know that, I do agree with you, but if you have the money why wouldnt you use it :) (and yes I know, you can use it on other part, but I always wanted a 1000w psu).

And I do I agree with you, Ryzen should be the way to go. But seems the OP wanted to go Intel.
 
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logainofhades

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Whats performance like with the ryzen cpu and overclocking wise? when i had the 1600x i felt like that pc was slow and laggy and didnt really notice much difference from my current am3 pc. Im stuck between which platform to go for as i dont want to be going back and fourth

The 1600x should have been much faster, than any AM3. Something, I would say, was not configured properly, or was running on an early rev bios. Also if you were on an HDD, instead of an SSD, that could contribute to some of it. HDD are a huge bottleneck, to system responsiveness. I have used a 1600 non x, in 3 different builds, and they were smooth running rigs.

You do not have to overclock a 3700x. There are a some settings you will want to change, such as XMP, for the ram speed. Turn off gear down mode, for the ram I put in there, so it will run at the odd numbered timings. Go to infinity fabric settings, which should be under overclock options, and set it to 1866, so it will run 1:1 ratio, with the ram. Also you will want to enable PBO. Alternatively, you could run 3600 ram, and just set XMP, and enable PBO. The performance difference would be minor.

I personally use the 3700x, that 3733 Patriot, with a Gigabyte X570 Itx board. I chose that ram, as AMD early on stated 3733 was the fastest ram you could use, and keep a 1:1 ratio, on the ram, and I got it for cheap.
 

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So i was running these parts,

Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard
G.Skill Flare X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Kingston SSDNow V+200 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Along with a M.2 drive for windows 10
EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4 GB ACX 2.0 Video Card
Corsair RMx 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
It was watercooled with ekwb s240 kit
1600x cpu

For some reason when the rig was set up it wasnt accepting the full speed of the memory and in the end got it sorted

the only difference i felt was boot times and file transfer time. Other than that it felt the same as my am3 and i ended up selling the system after 3 months
 

logainofhades

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You have to enable XMP, in the bios, to get the full ram speed, and that ram is too slow, for Ryzen, as well. The bios could have also been out of date. I just put together this rig, for my sister in law's kids. Mostly old parts, that I had lying around, other than the CPU, MB, and Ram. I took advantage of Microcenter's $79.99 R5 1600 deal. It is a smooth running rig. Only game I played, on it, was WoW, because that is really all I play, these days. It was running smooth, 1080p ultra though.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($121.31 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX GT 29.5 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For $0.00)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($123.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SanDisk Ultra II 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4 GB Video Card
Case: Rosewill Neutron Mini ITX Desktop Case
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Custom: DEEPCOOL RF140 2in1, 2X140mm RGB LED PWM Fans with Fan Hub and Cable Extension, Compatible with ASUS Aura Sync ($45.29 @ Amazon)
Custom: DEEPCOOL RF140, 140mm RGB LED PWM Fan with Cable Controller Included ($34.45 @ Amazon)
Custom: DEEPCOOL 5050 RGB LED 35cm Lighting Strip with in-built magnet or ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $408.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-03 11:55 EST-0500
 

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Im kind of leaning towards ryzen now, your right about the memory because i remember reading it requires a faster ram. I might look into both systems compare and start buying parts. i think i will do a build based around
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8GHz 6 Core
what are your thoughts against this processor
 
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joeblowsmynose

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So i was running these parts,

Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard
G.Skill Flare X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Kingston SSDNow V+200 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Along with a M.2 drive for windows 10
EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4 GB ACX 2.0 Video Card
Corsair RMx 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
It was watercooled with ekwb s240 kit
1600x cpu

For some reason when the rig was set up it wasnt accepting the full speed of the memory and in the end got it sorted

the only difference i felt was boot times and file transfer time. Other than that it felt the same as my am3 and i ended up selling the system after 3 months
Here's my guess (aside from your slow memory - Ryzen REALLY likes fast memory) ... If you didn't notice a whole lot of difference from an AM3 part to the 1600x, then maybe what you use your computer for doesn't require a beefy CPU.

For example if you game, and pulled the 970 up from you AM3 build to the 1600x and were expecting a massive increase in gaming performance, you'd be disappointed, because the GPU does the gaming.

There's a bit (a lot) of over emphasis on how much a CPU affects framerates - because all the reviews are done in a not realistic scenario to emphasize difference as much as possible, to keep the graphs from being all the same (different CPUs that aren't bottlenecked all perform roughly the same in gaming).

So if my assumptions are correct (feel free to correct / clarify), and you game a reasonable amount, save money on CPU and get a better GPU for best improvement results.

Doing any heavy CPU work like rendering / encoding / compiling / etc. and you should have noticed a huge difference between those platforms, if you did and still didn't really notice the difference then something wasn't right ...

Right now I'd lean toward Ryzen just for the fact you have at least a small upgrade path. I'm pretty sure AM4 will be coming to end after Zen3 (Ryzen desktop 4xxx), but in that frame it still would allow you to update to say a 12 core Zen3 part in the future.

If you do go Ryzen route -- Fast ram: 3200 or 3600 minimum, and tight timings.
 
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Im kind of leaning towards ryzen now, your right about the memory because i remember reading it requires a faster ram. I might look into both systems compare and start buying parts. i think i will do a build based around
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8GHz 6 Core
what are your thoughts against this processor
3600 non X is a better value, and can OC to roughly the same levels as the 3600x. Other than that there is no downside to that processor. Its a solid choice, but consider the 3600 or 3700x as well.
 

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Im kind of leaning towards ryzen now, your right about the memory because i remember reading it requires a faster ram. I might look into both systems compare and start buying parts. i think i will do a build based around
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8GHz 6 Core
what are your thoughts against this processor

I went through this same process a few months ago. I hadn't built an AMD rig since the Athlon II days.

Plenty of statements in this thread about the benefits of Ryzen. Yes a 9600k/9900k can squeeze out a few more frame rates in some game titles compared to a comparable AMD but the Ryzen is a better all around cpu for the money.

For me I weighed the following;
  1. CPU socket: AMD wins as the Ryzen 4000's will be supported on x570. I have an upgrade path that Intel couldn't match.
  2. Motherboard: So this one only a crystal ball can answer as far as "future proofing" but PCIe 4.0? Yes please.
  3. Cost: For the money AMD is where it's at.
  4. Performance: The real test is actual use. Gaming with a 3800x and RTX 20270S at 1440p is smooth as silk. I love this PC!
I'm not a fanboy of either company. I just want the best product I can get for my money. Right now it's AMD.
 

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