Build Advice New Build Upcoming -- advice sought

[joseph2011]

Greetings All! The last eight new builds I created all turned out great! Since 2011, all of my builds were based on great advice from this forum. I'm in the early stages of planning my next Windows build.

My previous build was a new Math and Science Linux Workstation in 2019. It's still running flawlessly and does everything I ask it to.

The build I am looking to replace is from 2011. It still runs Windows 10 and is fine for my Microsoft Office tasks, but it's now over 13 years old and will need to be replaced in the near future. The build is for my business and I can budget for $3,000 to $5,000 for it.

I'm looking to move to a smaller, sleeker design that is super quiet. My two current cases are from Antec, which was known for quiet cases, but I was not impressed with the quality of work from Antec in my 2019 build. I won't be using an Antec case again.

What modern small, quiet case designs exist these days? I'd like one that's all black, without gamer bells and whistles or see-through sides with carnival lights flashing inside! LOL!

Components I'm considering are:
-- latest, greatest, fastest form of memory -- at least 64MB
-- latest and greatest Intel or AMD upper-end processor and compatible upper-end motherboard
-- compatible liquid-based cooling for the processor
-- NVMe drives -- at least 4 TB each (maybe several of those)
-- latest and greatest graphics card than can easily power my two ASUS MX34VQ Series monitors.

I strongly considered going to all Linux, but I still need Windows for Microsoft Office, which I am heavily reliant on. Running MS Office on Wine is a little tricky, and Office 365 in the cloud is too weak for my needs, it lacks features, and it does not cut it.

Many thanks in advance for any advice! This forum has always come through with great build advice, and I'm sure it will again!

Cheers,
Joseph

 

[ilukey77]

4090
7800x3d
x670e mobo
arctic liquid freezer ii 360mm case is subjective ..size wise what are you looking for small form factor , mid tower or full tower ..
alot of that case size depends on components

 

[Why_Me]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 4.5 GHz 16-Core Processor ($516.72 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: *ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: *Asus ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($439.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: *G.Skill Flare X5 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($91.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: *Samsung 870 Evo 4 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($286.69 @ Amazon)
Storage: *Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($309.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: *Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($309.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: *Asus ProArt OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($879.99 @ B&H)
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case ($96.99 @ Adorama)
Power Supply: *SeaSonic VERTEX GX-850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($190.00 @ B&H)
Total: $3467.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-12 19:02 EST-0500

 

[joseph2011]

Awesome! Thanks @ilukey77 and @Why_Me ! Those are definitely solid starting points for my upcoming build! Much appreciated!

Cheers,
Joseph

 

[geofelt]

What are the components from your 2011 build?
What kinds of office tasks do you run?
Do you run heavy multithreaded batch apps?
Sounds to me like your needs are modest.
I might assume no gaming involved.

On the case, do you have a need for 5.25 dvd bays?
Newer cases rarely have them.

Small/quiet high powered is a tough combination for a case.
For size, perhaps start with a smaller MATX case like the Fractal design pop mini:
https://www.newegg.com/black-fracta...-tower/p/N82E16811352165?Item=N82E16811352165

Intel seems to not get much love here, but I suggest a i9-14700K.
28 threads fully loaded will indeed require liquid cooling. But for more modest tasks. A good air cooler Like a noctua NH-D15s will suffice.
That gets you a very quiet system.
The processor just loafs most of the time, and when you need performance, it will turbo up a couple of threads to near 6.0
Do not heed fears about heat; read this article:
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/intel-core-13900k-cooling-tested

A Z790 based MATX motherboard might be <$200.
As to ram, Intel does not require fast ram for performance.
A 2 x 32gb ram kit is reasonable. Now, you can even get a 2 x 48gb ddr5 ram kit.

Likely, you will want a discrete graphics card with two DP connectors to run your two lovely monitors.
It need not be a gaming monster.
Have you considered one of the Intel A750 cards like this:
https://www.newegg.com/sparkle-arc-a750-sa750c-8goc/p/N82E16814993002?Item=N82E16814993002

 

[ilukey77]

Intel seems to not get much love here, but I suggest a i9-14700K.

the 14700k is probably the best of the bunch ..

But you can understand why the 14th gen is little to no uplift over the 13th and the socket is dead now ..

Where as AM5 will probably do another 2 gens ..

I just bought a 14600kf for my all intel build and super happy with the price and nearly $100 aud cheaper than the 13600k and 13600kf

really wanted the 13600k or 13600kf but stupid not to buy a 14600kf at $100aud cheaper !!

I personally have nothing against intel CPU's ive got a 10850k in another build but i prefer the longer socket life AMD offers ..

With x3d and if they can sort the cache issues that ruined the 7900x3d and 7950x3d then intel will have little chance of competing with anything until they follow suit and extend socket life !!

 

[King Dranzer]

Greetings All! The last eight new builds I created all turned out great! Since 2011, all of my builds were based on great advice from this forum. I'm in the early stages of planning my next Windows build.

My previous build was a new Math and Science Linux Workstation in 2019. It's still running flawlessly and does everything I ask it to.

The build I am looking to replace is from 2011. It still runs Windows 10 and is fine for my Microsoft Office tasks, but it's now over 13 years old and will need to be replaced in the near future. The build is for my business and I can budget for $3,000 to $5,000 for it.

I'm looking to move to a smaller, sleeker design that is super quiet. My two current cases are from Antec, which was known for quiet cases, but I was not impressed with the quality of work from Antec in my 2019 build. I won't be using an Antec case again.

What modern small, quiet case designs exist these days? I'd like one that's all black, without gamer bells and whistles or see-through sides with carnival lights flashing inside! LOL!

Components I'm considering are:
-- latest, greatest, fastest form of memory -- at least 64MB
-- latest and greatest Intel or AMD upper-end processor and compatible upper-end motherboard
-- compatible liquid-based cooling for the processor
-- NVMe drives -- at least 4 TB each (maybe several of those)
-- latest and greatest graphics card than can easily power my two ASUS MX34VQ Series monitors.

I strongly considered going to all Linux, but I still need Windows for Microsoft Office, which I am heavily reliant on. Running MS Office on Wine is a little tricky, and Office 365 in the cloud is too weak for my needs, it lacks features, and it does not cut it.

Many thanks in advance for any advice! This forum has always come through with great build advice, and I'm sure it will again!

Cheers,
Joseph

Push another year with that build. As you are set to get crazy performance bump on both CPU and GPU this coming Gen.

All the rumors and leaks out are indicating towards a solid performance uplift on both. And actually not even a full Year you will most probably can get the build by end of this year.

But yes. I strongly advise to hold off on it for now. Seeing how long you run your hardware and expect them to last. It be absolutely worth the wait.

 

[joseph2011]

@geofelt Thanks for your feedback, recommendations, and insights.

My previous Windows build from 2011/12 includes:

Case -- 1 Antec Sonata Series SOLO II Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
MB -- 1 Intel BOXDZ77GA70K LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
PSU -- 1 High Current Pro HCP-750 750W TX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.92 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
CPU -- 1 Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K
RAM -- 1 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-16GXM
SSD -- 1 OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-256G 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
DVD -- 1 ASUS DVD Burner Black SATA Model DRW-24B3ST/BLK/G/AS
Case Cooling -- 2 Antec TrueQuiet 120 120mm Case Fans
CPU cooling -- COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+
Video Card -- 1 EVGA 04G-P4-2673-KR GeForce GTX 670 Superclocked+ w/Backplate 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

It still works flawlessly and does everything I ask of it. The most intense things I do involve Excel, but I've migrated most of that workflow to pandas dataframes and python on my much stronger Linux Math and Science Workstation. I definitely won't need 5.25 dvd bays, and no gamer capabilities.

@King Dranzer Thanks for your feedback, recommendations, and insights. I can definitely milk my Windows PC for another year. Great points about the advancements in technology pending for later this year leading to a better build. It's definitely worth waiting for.

My 2019 Linux build also works flawlessly and does most of my heavy lifting with Python and lots of math and science processing. It includes:

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor
Asus PRIME X570-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard
Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Samsung 970 Evo 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Samsung 970 Evo 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Asus DUAL GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB Video Card
Antec P110 Silent ATX Mid Tower Case
SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Platinum 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
CORSAIR HYDRO Series H100i PRO
Asus MX34VQ 34.0" 3440 x 1440 100 Hz Curved Monitor
Asus MX34VQ 34.0" 3440 x 1440 100 Hz Curved Monitor
Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard
Logitech M325 Wireless Optical Mouse
APC Back-UPS 1500 UPS
Case cooling - several 120mm fans

I will say that when I apply multithreading with python using 'max_workers=12' my processor temp starts to hit 80°C or so. I throttled that back to 'max_workers=8' and it functioned adequately with lower temps. A couple of times, I resorted to taking off the side panel and using a large room fan to vent it during the most intense data-processing tasks. That also dialed down the temps.

Cheers,
Joseph

 

[joseph2011]

@Colif -- Please mark this thread as solved. All of the proposed solutions from @ilukey77 @Why_Me and @geofelt were excellent, but I think it's best to wait until later this year per the advice of @King Dranzer in this response, so that is my selected solution for now.

I'm not sure why the option to mark a proposed solution as [solved] is not available, so I followed your advice here.

Thanks!

Kind regards,
Joseph