[SOLVED] New build

[tjwine22]

So I just bought some new components which will be listed at the bottom, whenever I put all 4 sticks of ram in i get a BSOD with NTFS.sys failed, I think it's a ram/motherboard slot problem since when I use 1 or two sticks it is stable, I've ran though all 4 sticks and boot it up one stick at a time and it works, I'm really at a loss here and some help would be nice

CPU: i5-9600k With cooler master evo 212
MOBO: Z390 UD
Ram: 4 x 8gb DDR4 3200MHZ corsair vengeance
Gpu: GTX 970 Turbo
PSU: corsair CX 450

 

[Darkbreeze]

Did all four DIMMs come in ONE set, or is it two sets with two DIMMs in each set?

 

[helpstar]

update the BIOS of the motherboard within BIOS using Q-FLASH and the unzipped BIOS file on an USB pen drive.
https://www.gigabyte.com/webpage/20/images/utiltiy_qflash_uefi.pdf
https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/Z390-UD-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios

check the CPU socket of the motherboard for broken or bent or discolored pins

 

[Darkbreeze]

Updating the BIOS is a good idea, but I doubt it's the problem here. The problem here is likely twofold.

One, you may need to bump the DRAM (Memory) voltage UP by .005-.020v increments, going no further than 1.38v maximum for a set of four sticks at the XMP configuration profile settings. Four DIMMs OFTEN need more voltage than two AND in some cases you may not be able to achieve the rated speed of the kit when using four DIMMs on a dual channel system because maximum memory speeds may be based on a two DIMM configuration. Often the use of four DIMMs on some platforms will require a drop in speed to do so. In this case, that is not likely to be true, and running four DIMMs at 3200mhz on Z390 should not be a problem but you may still need to bump the DRAM voltage up AND/OR configure a minor overclock on the CPU. Increasing the CPUs POST performance configuration in the BIOS can sometimes help as well, if overclocking is not desirable.

Two, that power supply.

It is underpowered for a GTX 970 equipped system, especially one with four 1.35v DIMMs, and even more so if there IS any overclocking of the CPU or GPU card happening.

But, I agree that making sure you have the latest BIOS version for your motherboard should be the first priority. Stick to stable BIOS versions. Avoid Beta BIOS versions unless they directly address the exact issues you are experiencing.

 

[Karadjgne]

Max wattage on that pc, under extreme duress is only @ 350w, before any OC, so a CX 450 is capable, if in reality not recommended as such for a gaming rig. So it'll work, but the term 'pushing your luck' applies.

9th gen Intel cpu on a Z390 should have absolutely no need for a bios update unless there was serious oversight on the bios revision at time of manufacture.

My best guess is as Darkbreeze asked, 2x seperate kits of identical ram at 2x8Gb were cheaper than a single 4x8Gb kit, and the assumption that it's identical so therefore won't be an issue.
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...e-memory-kits!-The-meat-and-potatoes-overview
In a nutshell, the outsides are identical, but the insides most definitely are not, being manufactured from different sheets of silicon.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yes, that is the other obviously possible problem, incompatibility between two sets of identical or mixed sticks. If this is four DIMMs made up of anything other than four sticks that came all together in one kit, then you can almost be sure that it is the problem.

 

[tjwine22]

so the ram i bought was the same exact one bought twice, so after BSOD over and over i checked windows event viewer to see if i could find the problem there and my entire SSD was corrupted, after unplugging it i havent had a BSOD, now the problem is formatting it so i can use it again without BSOD

 

[Darkbreeze]

Data drive corruption only happens four ways.

1. The device is faulty. Period.

2. There is a lack of adequate and stable power to the device, which has allowed write operations to become corrupted.

3. The data being written to the device was corrupted due to an unstable memory or CPU configuration.

4. An infection or malware of some kind has infected the system and corrupted the data.

I can't think of any other ways this happens.

I would think figuring out which of them it is, so that you can avoid it happening AGAIN, would be your next course of action. I would start by checking the S.M.A.R.T information for that drive using one of the drive health monitoring utilities, and then run an extended health test using either Seatools for windows or WD digital lifeguard tools. If there are any issues, at all, try replacing the SATA data cable and using a different SATA power cable from the PSU. If there are still issues after that, throw the drive away and replace it.

If there are no issues at all with the drive during testing, then I'd test the memory. Memory configuration or physical faults can cause SERIOUS corruption of data and it doesn't take very long for it to happen either.

Memtest86​

Go to the Passmark software website and download the USB Memtest86 free version. You can do the optical disk version too if for some reason you cannot use a bootable USB flash drive.

Create bootable media using the downloaded Memtest86 (NOT Memtest86+, that is a different, older version and is outdated). Once you have done that, go into your BIOS and configure the system to boot to the USB drive that contains the Memtest86 USB media or the optical drive if using that option.

Click here to download Memtest86 USB package​

Create a bootable USB Flash drive:

1. Download the Windows MemTest86 USB image.

2. Right click on the downloaded file and select the "Extract to Here" option. This places the USB image and imaging tool into the current folder.

3. Run the included imageUSB tool, it should already have the image file selected and you just need to choose which connected USB drive to turn into a bootable drive. Note that this will erase all data on the drive.


No memory should ever fail to pass Memtest86 when it is at the default configuration that the system sets it at when you start out or do a clear CMOS by removing the CMOS battery for five minutes.

Best method for testing memory is to first run four passes of Memtest86, all 11 tests, WITH the memory at the default configuration. This should be done BEFORE setting the memory to the XMP profile settings. The paid version has 13 tests but the free version only has tests 1-10 and test 13. So run full passes of all 11 tests. Be sure to download the latest version of Memtest86. Memtest86+ has not been updated in MANY years. It is NO-WISE as good as regular Memtest86 from Passmark software.

If there are ANY errors, at all, then the memory configuration is not stable. Bumping the DRAM voltage up slightly may resolve that OR you may need to make adjustments to the primary timings. There are very few secondary or tertiary timings that should be altered. I can tell you about those if you are trying to tighten your memory timings.

If you cannot pass Memtest86 with the memory at the XMP configuration settings then I would recommend restoring the memory to the default JEDEC SPD of 1333/2133mhz (Depending on your platform and memory type) with everything left on the auto/default configuration and running Memtest86 over again. If it completes the four full passes without error you can try again with the XMP settings but first try bumping the DRAM voltage up once again by whatever small increment the motherboard will allow you to increase it by. If it passes, great, move on to the Prime95 testing.

If it still fails, try once again bumping the voltage if you are still within the maximum allowable voltage for your memory type and test again. If it still fails, you are likely going to need more advanced help with configuring your primary timings and should return the memory to the default configuration until you can sort it out.

If the memory will not pass Memtest86 for four passes when it IS at the stock default non-XMP configuration, even after a minor bump in voltage, then there is likely something physically wrong with one or more of the memory modules and I'd recommend running Memtest on each individual module, separately, to determine which module is causing the issue. If you find a single module that is faulty you should contact the seller or the memory manufacturer and have them replace the memory as a SET. Memory comes matched for a reason as I made clear earlier and if you let them replace only one module rather than the entire set you are back to using unmatched memory which is an open door for problems with incompatible memory.

Be aware that you SHOULD run Memtest86 to test the memory at the default, non-XMP, non-custom profile settings BEFORE ever making any changes to the memory configuration so that you will know if the problem is a setting or is a physical problem with the memory.

 

[tjwine22]

problem is whenever i plug in the SSD it gives me the BSOD at any point, even right when i get to bios

 

[Darkbreeze]

Have you tried a different SATA data cable? A different SATA power cable from the PSU?

Is this an internal or external SSD?

If the drive is an internal SSD and it gives you a BSOD anytime the drive is connected, but does not do it when the drive is not connected, then try connecting it to a different SATA header on the motherboard and try using a different cable. If it still does it then you need to RMA or replace the drive. That's really all there is to it.