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i'm looking for a new card butt what would be better (maybe dumb question) 9600Pro 256MB(€132), 9600pro 128MB(€122), 9600xt 128 (€164) 9600 Turbo o/c 400/600 128MB (€132) ro a FX5900 XT(€195)
1 dollar = 0.80 euro

is the xtra money worth the extra performance from the fx5900 and the 9600 XT ??
 

pauldh

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I guess it depends on your system specs and wether you would see a difference. On a slower system, no difference. If the rest of your system is high end, the 5900XT will be faster in most games than the 9600Pro or XT. I can't see spending the extra money on it though as your Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB price is close to ours, but your FX5900XT price is much higher than ours; definately too high in my eyes. My vote would be the 9600 Pro 128MB. If your mobo/cpu/ram are top notch, then maybe consider checking prices on the Radeon 9800 pro.

It isn't a dumb question at all. I am not aware of the Turbo, but all the other cards you mention are very good.

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9600pro 128mb is the best price/performance on that list in my opinion.

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i'm probably goona run it on a PIV 3.0HT

the turbo is a 9600 with a clock speed of 400mhz and a memroy speed at 600 mhz<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Rank_one on 02/11/04 07:23 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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This place does get kind of old with people asking the same questions over and over again doesn't it...

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cleeve

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The 5900XT is the best card in that lineup, although the 9600XT is close behind.

If I were you, id either get a nice 9600 PRO and overclock it like stink, or I'd get the 5900XT.



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pauldh

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I agree the 5900XT is for the most part the fastest card he mentioned, but isn't 195 Euros ($244 US) alot of money compared to the 9600 pro 128 he mentioned for almost $100 US less? Great card from what I read, but is it worth roughly 66% more than the 9600 Pro? Not to me.

If he is going to be building a P4 3.0C system, and he is a gamer, I'd recommend lowering the cpu to a 2.8C or 2.6C and put the extra money into a Radeon 9800 pro, if a good price can be found. Unless he can afford to do the 3.0C and 9800 pro. Not sure what that will cost him, but it beats paying that much of a premium to step up from a 9600 Pro to a 5900XT.


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cleeve

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True, but a couple factors are involved here...

He didn't list a 9800 PRO, or even a 9800 non-pro... and in Euros I think the price difference might not be worth it. Premium cards seem to go for alot more overseas. Hell, even here in Canada they carry a rediculous premium.

Is a 5900XT worth the 66% more than a 9600 PRO? Well, in the same vein, is a 9800 non-pro worth 200% the price of a 9600 PRO over here? I mean, you get the fastest card you can afford... the idea being, it pays off in the long run. I do believe you'd get maybe 6 more months of usable service out of a 5900XT over the life of the card. So I guess that's subjective.

But like I said, I recommend you get a 9600 PRO and overclock it, if you want the best bang for the buck. but if you want something that would last a little longer, get a 5900XT (which you can also overclock, to be fair)

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pauldh

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Yeah, i have no idea what his availablity/costs are. And no, my thinking doesn't come with an understanding that a radeon 9800 non pro could possible cost 200% more. Here it is only the very top cards, the 9800XT and 5950ultras that demand such a high premium. Our prices in the US are very good now on 9800 pros. I am just comparing the cost/performance and think the 9600 Pro or XT is the better choice for the prices he mentioned. Since he mentioned a P4 3.0C, I just wanted him to look into the costs of the 9800 pro, if he hasn't. If it is 225-250 euro range, I think the jump from 5900XT to 9800 Pro is worth far more than the jump from 9600 pro or XT to the 5900XT. If it is 300+ euros, obviously forget about it. Then I would much rather buy the 9600 Pro and like you said OC it. Or at least OC it someday when it starts to drop the framerates too low. I think by the time games come out that make the 9600 Pro/XT obsolete, the 5900XT will be obsolete at the same time. They aren't that far apart in performance. With AA/AF, the 9600XT and 5900XT are virtually a draw. Obviously it depends on the individual game and wether it is OpenGL or DX, etc. Until those games come out, we won't know. The Radeon 9600 Pro might dog the 5900XT in HL2 while the reverse in Doom3. We just don't know.(yet)

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pauldh

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Just make sure that the 9600 pro isn't the PowerColor 9600 pro EZ version, clocked 400/400 instead of 400/600. That would change my recomendation.

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to explain something on the money. i'm willing to put down around 700-850 euros.
reason why 9800 isnt in the list is that its very expensive
you say it couldn't be 200% more costing than the 9600 well it is baby the 9600 pro is 130 and the 9800 pro comes for a little 240 and the 9800 XT goes for little less then 500 euro's. thats a bit too extreme for me.

for every who replied so far i'm really getting lots of help here thank you all. but i'm still not confinced.(not your problems). whats a goable price for a FX5900? (cause you all say its too overpriced)
 

pauldh

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Yes, the EZ version clocked 400/400 is much slower than the real deal clocked 400/600.

Look at this review, #59 is a 400/400 version. Much lower fps.

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pauldh

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Where are you from? I'd love to hear of prices from around the globe, and also what sites people use to find prices.

Here in the US, pricewatch.com is a very good place to start looking for prices. But you must know exactly what you are looking for and not fall for cheasy advertising. Newegg.com has very fair prices and outstanding service.

Without looking too hard, our best prices for OEM (whitebox) cards are:

9600 Pro 400/600 (Transend) $114 - won't last long
9600 Pro EZ 400/400(Power Color) - $131
9600 Pro 400/600 (Saphire) $149
9600XT (saphire) $150
9600XT BB ATI Retail w/ HL2 coupon $179
9800 Pro Saphire $215
9800XT Saphire $416
9800XT BB ATI retail w/ HL2 Coupon $439
FX5900XT -EVGA $182

People may know of better prices, but these are simple to find. Some local or retail stores sometimes have the best deals on retail packages, especailly for those who don't mind rebates.



The 9800 pro has dropped in price bigtime over the past few weeks. It is the best deal now IMO

The Transend 9600 pro was a great price, but they are currently sold out at Newegg. I'd rather have a better known brand though.

Then 9600XT for $150 is a better deal than the 9600 pro or the 9600 pro EZ.

The FX5900XT for $182 is a good deal too. But for the same price you can have a retail built by ATI 9600XT with HL2 coupon.

The 9800XT is still too costly for the small gains over a 9800Pro

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...IMO...9600pro 128mb looks to be the best price/perf followed by the 9600XT... cant see a midrange chipset making much use 256mb... 5900XT is a firly good Nvidia but too expensive...

Does komplett deliver to your neck of the woods, if so at the mo they have a 5900 standard going for £135GBP which should be around 180-200 euros i think

Trust me I know what I'm doing... ooops, grab the cat...<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by marneus on 02/12/04 01:38 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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i set my mind in another direction
9800 pro!! is €240 good price?? or overpriced.
it s best in its class right??

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Rank_one on 02/12/04 11:33 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

pauldh

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Short Version: The Radeon 9800 Pro is awesome. I love mine. Get it. :smile:

Longer (less emotional/more informative) version:
I wish I could help you, but I just don't know anything about availability and Pricing over in the Netherlands. Maybe someone else can point you to a better price if one exists.

Your Price of 240 euro's based on the 80 euros = 100$ you mentioned, is $300, which is about what ours were selling for a few months back. I believe that we were still $269 plus around Christmas time. 240 euro's is about 100% higher than the 9600 Pro 400/400 you mentioned. IMO, yes that is by far worth twice the price. Don't buy a 400/400 9600pro. If however we were talking 200% more, I'd say no way. All I can say is I am thrilled with my Saphire radeon 9800 pro.

So your Choices are:
Radeon 9800 Pro 240 Euro ($300) US
FX5900XT 195 Euro ($244)
Radeon 9600XT 164 Euro ($205)
Radeon 9800 Pro EZ (400/400) 122 Euro ($154)
Radeon 9600 Pro 400/600 ????
Radeon 9700 pro ???
Radeon 9800 non-pro ???
GF FX 5900 non-ultra ???
GF FX 5900 Ultra ???

Does anyone know of a better deal on these cards, shipped to the Netherlands?

They are pretty evenly spaced. Very proportionate to our prices. If you find a real radeon 9600 pro clocked 400/600 for 122 Euro, that is the best bargain.

I like to shop around alot. If fact I am always shopping around for hardware, since I build and sell systems. It's fun too. So if it were me, I'd check and see what prices are for a few other cards also. Does a GREAT deal jump out at you. For instance, If a Radeon 9800 non-pro (not SE), Radeon 9700 Pro, or FX5900 non ultra were the same price or cheaper than the FX5900XT, than right away I'd rule out the FX5900XT. If these cards can't be found for under 220 Euro, than I'd say rule out these cards and decide between the others you have mentioned. Now maybe you have already done that, so sorry for backtracking then. I just wanted to mention it.

Does the Radeon 9600XT price you mentioned,come with a HL2 coupon or not. If so, I'd definately rather buy that than the FX5900XT for 30 Euro more.

When are you building this system? If it is 2 months away, best off just waiting, with the new cards/games coming soon and all. Prices will be different then, so no need to worry about it now.

Do you hope to use AA/AF settings on this new system? Is that important to you, or could you really care less either way. It will enhance the look of the game bigtime, but to me I'd give it up quickly if the framerates dropped too low. If you say yes, I definately want to play with AA/AF on, the Radeon 9800 Pro is easily worth the extra 45 Euro. If you can't budget it, what would buying a P4 2.8 instead of a P4 3.0 save you? Enough to get the Radeon 9800 pro in you budget? If gaming is your thing, definatelty do not skimp on the video card.

Also, the Radeon 9600XT is completely on par at this time with the FX5900 XT. And the image quality of ATI's smooth vision is superior to the FX line. So If AA/AF is a definate, the radeon 9600XT should be worth as much to you as the FX5900. Especially if you can get HL2 with it for under 195 Euro. If AA/AF is optional and you'd gladly play without it, the FX5900XT is currently faster than the R9600XT. I say currently, because drivers get reworked, and games such as HL2, Doom3, etc aren't out yet to test these cards on. I know people are very happy playing the Far cry demo on Radeon 9600Pros and faster. I get 15-20fps higher on a Radeon 9800 pro than with my Radeon 9500 pro on that demo. So 1280x1024 highest details are a possibility now, where before they were not. The 9500 pro does great at 1024x768 with all settings on High. AA/AF doesn't work in that demo, so can't tell ya how that changes things. But the game looks beatiful without it. We shall see only when the final code is put before us.

Anyway, I hope this information was worth taking the time to read. I also hope that other people can help you on finding better pricing in your area, if it exists.

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Well if you wanna go for the gold than the 5900xt would be a good one. Otherwise get the 9600xt.

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it was a long post but it was real helpfull.
i'm planning on waiting a week or 2.
is this wise?? or should i wait a little longer?
when are wich new card comming out? and what will they do with prices? enough to wait for??
I think i'll let the PIV 3.0 take a walk and get a Athlon 64 3200+ (better imo)