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[chipsar]

Hello all, i am a newbi here and also a newbi at building.

I just build my computer with the following parts

- GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3 (AM4, AMD Promontory B350, DDR4, USB3.1,)
- Processor AMD Ryzen 5 1600X, 3.6 GHz, Cache 16MB, AM4
- VGA ASUS GTX1060 DUAL OC 3Gb
- Memory RAM PC Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1x8GB) DDR4 2666 Mhz
- SAMSUNG SSD 850EVO 250GB / SSD 850 EVO 2.5" 250 GIGA
- Seasonic S12II-620 620W - 80+ Bronze Certified
- casing: phanteks p400s

i was surprised to not see a cooler with the CPU but i foud out that the X serie do not have one, so i ordered today a Cooler Master Hyper 212 LED - Fan Cooler but it is not installed yet.

So i boot the computer without the Cooler and in the BIOS i coud se my CPU is a 75degrees and it raise 1 degrees every 2-3 second when in the bios, after less than a minute the machine turns off.

Is it normal the computer turns off so fast since no cooler installed yet, or is there a probleme?

thanks a lot for your help

 

[Darkbreeze]

You don't EVER run the system without a cooler. PERIOD.

If you are lucky, you didn't fry the CPU.

IF you did this several times, to the point where it shut off, then it's very possible you did. Don't do this again or you WILL be buying a new CPU, and maybe a motherboard too. Yes, that is normal when some numbskull runs the system with no cooler installed.

What did you think would happen with no cooler installed? Did you think that having a CPU cooler was just somehow OPTIONAL? It's not.

Install the cooler and hope that you didn't permanently damage anything.

 

[chipsar]

ok lets see tonight, il receive the cooler and ill let you know, thanks for the info

 

[Darkbreeze]

I'll cross my fingers for you. Hopefully nothing was damaged.

 

[chipsar]

I'll cross my fingers for you. Hopefully nothing was damaged.

just installed the cooler, the CPU is now at 19 degrees in the bios, everything looks ok. is there something i should be looking in order to know if i damaged my CPU or motherboard?

 

[Darkbreeze]

Download CoreTemp. Install it. Open CoreTemp and click on the options menu, click settings. On the Advanced tab check the box next to "Show distance to TJmax in temperature fields".

Save settings and exit back to the main screen. Distance to TJmax should never go below 10° distance to TJmax and a minimum of 15-20 would be a lot better. Those are figures for full load while running Prime95 version 26.6 (ONLY version 26.6, do not run newer versions unless you know that you use AVX instructions in specific applications) or another recommended stability and thermal compliance testing utility.


Prime95 v26.6 is THE primarily accepted way to do the majority of baseline stability and thermal limit testing running the Small FFT option.

Prime95 Version 26.6 download


Further, you can find extensive information regarding the Intel CPU architectures and specifications at the following link which is a somewhat definitive guide on that subject. The information below is taken directly from conversations with Computronix who is also the author of the Intel temperature guide, found here:

The Intel temperature guide

For AMD systems, specifically Zen/Ryzen, this should offer similar albeit not nearly as detailed information on that architecture.

Ryzen overclocking guide

This is probably about the most referred to overclocking guide around, and it's principles can be applied to a variety of generations and platforms.

The Ultimate Overclocking Guide



This pretty well sums things up and is equally relevant whether working with an Intel or an AMD system.

I can think of several reasons why x264 encoding or AVX / AVX2 / FMA3 apps won't work as a unilateral metric for thermal testing.

(1) A steady-state workload gives steady-state temperatures; encoding does not.

(2) Simplicity in methodology; most users would find encoding apps unfamiliar and cumbersome to accomplish a simple task.

(3) Most users such as gamers never run any apps which use AVX or FMA, so adaptive or manual voltage aside, it makes no sense to downgrade your overclock to accommodate those loads and temps unless you KNOW you will be making significant use of AVX/FMA/AVX2.

(4) Standardization; Prime95 has been around since 1996; many users are familiar with it. It is TRIED and TRUE.

For the minority of users who routinely run AVX/FMA apps, then P95 v28.5 or later can be useful for tweaking the BIOS for thermal and stability testing on THOSE types of systems only. For others, it is not recommended.


regardless of platform or architecture, Prime95 v26.6 works equally well across ALL platforms. Steady-state is the key. How can anyone extrapolate accurate core temperatures from workloads that fluctuate like a bad day on the stock market? They can't. That's why steady state is necessary for testing of thermal compliance and for baseline stability verification.

I'm aware of 5 utilities with steady-state workloads. In order of load level they are:

(1) Prime95 v26.6 - Small FFT's (Important. NOT Blend or Large FFT)
(2) HeavyLoad - Stress CPU
(3) FurMark - CPU Burner
(4) Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool - CPU Load
(5) AIDA64 - Tools - System Stability Test - Stress CPU

AIDA64's Stress CPU fails to load any overclocked / overvolted CPU to get anywhere TDP, and is therefore useless, except for giving naive users a sense of false security because their temps are so low.

HeavyLoad is the closest alternative. Temps and watts are within 3% of Small FFT's.

-Computronix