New CPU seems to be just as slow as my old one....

[Will_66]

I have recently upgraded my cpu from an amd fx 6300 to an intel i7 6700k. Now, my reasoning for buying this upgrade along with my fancy fan (noctua U12S) and 16 gigs of ram (corsair vengeance) was so that I could achieve faster real time editing in sony vegas and carry that onto premier eventually. The only problem here is that it seems to have made zero difference...

I allocated 10 gigs of ram to the program, set it at high priority, and it seems to be working the exact same way as it did before. Now my question is, is this even a cpu problem in the first place?
I also doubt it has anything to do with my ram at this point.

everything on my computer is loaded to my 4tb 5900rpm
I have an extra 1tb hard drive waiting to be defragmented with an rpm of 7200
I have my old gtx 750
A 550 psu
MSI B250 pc mate motherboard

My only conclusion to this problem would be either my gpu not keeping up (doubt it), my power supply may not be able to keep up or something (doubt that even more), or the program itself....

If anyone has any idea what is happening here please let me know

 

[Karadjgne]

This post is old, might might shed some light.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2874868/good-gpu-video-editing-rendering.html

If you are using Sony through the gpu, it's a safe bet that is the issue, you'd either be better off using something like Handbrake and using the cpu's power, or using an AMD gpu of some decent power. That gtx750 won't cut it either way.

 

[DJDeCiBeL]

Well, the slow HDD certainly isn't helping. To that end, I'd say try using a RAM disk to see what happens. It wouldn't be a permanent solution, especially with only 16GB of RAM, but it will give you an idea of whether or not slow storage speed is the problem.

 

[USAFRet]

1. 4tb 5900rpm
2. old gtx 750

I recently changed from an i5-3570k/16GB RAM to an i7-4790k/32GB RAM.
As a test, I timed importing 100 RAW files into Adobe Lightroom. Approx 3.1GB total.

The new CPU was 25% faster, importing the same number and size files.

 

[Will_66]

as the night goes on I am very thankful for all these responses, I also have been thinking about setting up a raid 0 with 2 ssds to boost preformance and have an extra ssd for all my program files to sit while i edit videos.

I know my gpu is not fitted for this type of work so I'm also wondering how to use more cpu than gpu as
Karadjgne stated earlier

not so sure about that whole ram disk that was mentioned either.

 

[USAFRet]

RAID 0 + SSD:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,3485.html

tl-dr = Don't bother.

 

[Will_66]

RAID 0 + SSD:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,3485.html

tl-dr = Don't bother.

So raid is overrated? do you have an ssd in mind that would work for me at the moment? Also do you think that this is the key factor in getting my computer back up to where it should be with an intel i7 inside there?

 

[USAFRet]

RAID 0 + SSD:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,3485.html

tl-dr = Don't bother.

So raid is overrated? do you have an ssd in mind that would work for me at the moment? Also do you think that this is the key factor in getting my computer back up to where it should be with an intel i7 inside there?

RAID 0 with HDD's used to be a somewhat good way for a performance boost.
It doesn't scale the same way with SSD's.

Your current slow drive isn't helping things. Nor is your old GPU.
Any SSD would help things along.

 

[Karadjgne]

There's no real benefit for SSDs in raid array. Ssd speeds are more than the cpu can handle so that raid is moot, and the whole idea about data redundancy is based around mechanical errors, so that's moot. A good NVMe can handle anything you could use it for.

The idea of the ram disk was just an attempt at ssd speeds for data transfer, since you only mentioned hdds, it would show if the hdd transfer speeds are what was creating a lag in performance without having to go out and buy a ssd first.

Best bet would be OS on primary drive with just the Sony Vegas loaded there, and use the hdd as mass storage. Because everything goes through the os/SV, the SSD acts as a cache drive, so everything runs at ssd speeds and data is stored back onto the hdd as allowed without interfering with the program. Just don't fill the SSD. Leave plenty of space for working cache.
As far as ram goes, this is one case where more is better. There's pros who complain that 128Gb of ram isn't enough. Mostly it'll depend on the size files you are using and just how intensive any rendering is.

 

[Will_66]

RAID 0 + SSD:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,3485.html

tl-dr = Don't bother.

So raid is overrated? do you have an ssd in mind that would work for me at the moment? Also do you think that this is the key factor in getting my computer back up to where it should be with an intel i7 inside there?

RAID 0 with HDD's used to be a somewhat good way for a performance boost.
It doesn't scale the same way with SSD's.

Your current slow drive isn't helping things. Nor is your old GPU.
Any SSD would help things along.

Ok that actually clears some things up, I also read something about how they don't shine as well as they used to...

Now, I'm very new to the whole ssd thing... didn't really see their true purpose until I noticed something missing in my system. Also a bit of a newbie as far as storage is concerned altogether. I just wanted to ask about separation of programs and project files

I been hearing that you should separate the videos and project files from the actual programs running them to boost speed requiring 2 ssd drives. Do you know anything of the topic?

 

[Will_66]

There's no real benefit for SSDs in raid array. Ssd speeds are more than the cpu can handle so that raid is moot, and the whole idea about data redundancy is based around mechanical errors, so that's moot. A good NVMe can handle anything you could use it for.

The idea of the ram disk was just an attempt at ssd speeds for data transfer, since you only mentioned hdds, it would show if the hdd transfer speeds are what was creating a lag in performance without having to go out and buy a ssd first.

Best bet would be OS on primary drive with just the Sony Vegas loaded there, and use the hdd as mass storage. Because everything goes through the os/SV, the SSD acts as a cache drive, so everything runs at ssd speeds and data is stored back onto the hdd as allowed without interfering with the program. Just don't fill the SSD. Leave plenty of space for working cache.
As far as ram goes, this is one case where more is better. There's pros who complain that 128Gb of ram isn't enough. Mostly it'll depend on the size files you are using and just how intensive any rendering is.

Thanks so much for spending the time to talk about this for me.

only question I still have is that everyone is saying put the os and sony vegas on the ssd.... would that mean my copy of windows?

Also, would those be the only 2 things inhabiting the ssd at all times? meaning I would require a second one to put project files and videos to as well?

 

[USAFRet]

Ok that actually clears some things up, I also read something about how they don't shine as well as they used to...

Now, I'm very new to the whole ssd thing... didn't really see their true purpose until I noticed something missing in my system. Also a bit of a newbie as far as storage is concerned altogether. I just wanted to ask about separation of programs and project files

I been hearing that you should separate the videos and project files from the actual programs running them to boost speed requiring 2 ssd drives. Do you know anything of the topic?

In almost all of my system, there are multiple drives.
1 for the OS and applications, 1 or more for other things.

My current main system has 4 SSD's and 1 HDD

SSD 1 - OS and applications
SSD 2 - photo work
SSD 3 - CAD and video work
SSD 4 - Games and other random stuff
HDD - backups, mostly.

 

[Will_66]

Ok that actually clears some things up, I also read something about how they don't shine as well as they used to...

Now, I'm very new to the whole ssd thing... didn't really see their true purpose until I noticed something missing in my system. Also a bit of a newbie as far as storage is concerned altogether. I just wanted to ask about separation of programs and project files

I been hearing that you should separate the videos and project files from the actual programs running them to boost speed requiring 2 ssd drives. Do you know anything of the topic?

In almost all of my system, there are multiple drives.
1 for the OS and applications, 1 or more for other things.

My current main system has 4 SSD's and 1 HDD

SSD 1 - OS and applications
SSD 2 - photo work
SSD 3 - CAD and video work
SSD 4 - Games and other random stuff
HDD - backups, mostly.

alright that puts things into perspective pretty well actually. Do you recommend any specific ssd for my type of work or at least what read and write speeds would work?

 

[USAFRet]

alright that puts things into perspective pretty well actually. Do you recommend any specific ssd for my type of work or at least what read and write speeds would work?

For the OS drive, possibly the Samsung 960 Pro
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12K54C9773

NVMe, unrivaled speed.

Or the 960 EVO for much less $$
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147594

 

[Will_66]

alright that puts things into perspective pretty well actually. Do you recommend any specific ssd for my type of work or at least what read and write speeds would work?

For the OS drive, possibly the Samsung 960 Pro
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12K54C9773

NVMe, unrivaled speed.

Or the 960 EVO for much less $$
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147594

Given my pc only has 2 m.2 slots, would I be able to hook any extra ones up to regular sata or am I just clueless. Sorry about asking so much I just really needed a human to explain these things since I guess I just can't figure out what to google at this point

 

[USAFRet]

Yes. Regular SSD's, like any 2.5" form factor drive will connect to regular SATA ports on the motherboard.
That's how mine are.

They connect just like regular hard drives.

 

[Will_66]

Yes. Regular SSD's, like any 2.5" form factor drive will connect to regular SATA ports on the motherboard.
That's how mine are.

They connect just like regular hard drives.

Thank you very much for all the help you have given me tonight, do you suppose I buy a faster ssd for my os and programs and cheap out on the project files ssd? just trying to get the most for my money and not overspend on these 2 investments here

 

[USAFRet]

Yes. Regular SSD's, like any 2.5" form factor drive will connect to regular SATA ports on the motherboard.
That's how mine are.

They connect just like regular hard drives.

Thank you very much for all the help you have given me tonight, do you suppose I buy a faster ssd for my os and programs and cheap out on the project files ssd? just trying to get the most for my money and not overspend on these 2 investments here

Yes, that works.
Note that all of those SSD's in my system did not happen at the same time. They got added over time.

That is ~2TB of SSD space. 500+250+250+960.
A few short years ago, 2TB of SSD would be a choice of drive space or a nice used car...lol

 

[Will_66]

Yes. Regular SSD's, like any 2.5" form factor drive will connect to regular SATA ports on the motherboard.
That's how mine are.

They connect just like regular hard drives.

Thank you very much for all the help you have given me tonight, do you suppose I buy a faster ssd for my os and programs and cheap out on the project files ssd? just trying to get the most for my money and not overspend on these 2 investments here

Yes, that works.
Note that all of those SSD's in my system did not happen at the same time. They got added over time.

That is ~2TB of SSD space. 500+250+250+960.
A few short years ago, 2TB of SSD would be a choice of drive space or a nice used car...lol

haha that's crazy. what speed do you run at?

 

[USAFRet]

haha that's crazy. what speed do you run at?

Speed of what?
You can read the system specs if you hover over my avatar at the left.

 

[Will_66]

haha that's crazy. what speed do you run at?

Speed of what?
You can read the system specs if you hover over my avatar at the left.

oh I see, I was just wondering what ssd contained the you're os and programs but I guess it's not all that important

 

[Karadjgne]

My system is somewhat behind in technology advances, but is not really diminished for it. I7-3770K, 128Gb Samsung 840Pro and a 1Tb WD hdd. What's on the SSD is the OS (Win10Pro) and any of its associated stuff, like Adobe, Office, Photoshop, iTunes, Steam, etc. Those are the working programs. The hdd is purely storage, so music, media, game files etc are kept there. So, when I open Photoshop, it's working at ssd speeds. It'll load from the hdd any pictures I happen to want to work on and all those will then be done at ssd speeds. If I hit save, it'll start saving to the hdd, but will still be accessed from the SSD cache. Same with any games, the game files are loaded through Windows and steam, so are now accessed through the SSD cache, once loaded from the hdd. It's slightly slower, just on the load, but after that works the same as if fully loaded on the SSD.

As long as the working program is on the SSD, that's where it's keeping its temp file, the cache file it uses for working, so if the working program is on the hdd, it's temp file is on the hdd, so works at hdd speeds.

For info read/write speeds
Average internal 7200rpm drive 80-160Mb/s
Average USB2 external 20-30 Mb/s
Average USB3 external 50-100 Mb/s
Average Sata3 SSD 320-500 Mb/s
Average NVMe SSD 800-1000 Mb/s

With your 4Tb 5400rpm, you'd be looking at the low end of the internal hdd, with a normal Sata 3 ssd you'd be working at 4x-5x faster speeds minimum.
Roughly. Drop in a m.2 NVMe like the Samsung 950/960 Pro and you are looking at 10x faster performance. Roughly. So think about a picture taking 1 minute to load now loading in 6 seconds. Roughly. Can be a huge impact in some programs.

And thats not even mentioning the fact my cold boot time, went from almost 3.5 minutes to 23 seconds from button push to Internet access.

 

[jwcrellin]

NVMe ssd will make your whole system feel snappy. Look for good prices this year on 500GB models.

 

[Will_66]

My system is somewhat behind in technology advances, but is not really diminished for it. I7-3770K, 128Gb Samsung 840Pro and a 1Tb WD hdd. What's on the SSD is the OS (Win10Pro) and any of its associated stuff, like Adobe, Office, Photoshop, iTunes, Steam, etc. Those are the working programs. The hdd is purely storage, so music, media, game files etc are kept there. So, when I open Photoshop, it's working at ssd speeds. It'll load from the hdd any pictures I happen to want to work on and all those will then be done at ssd speeds. If I hit save, it'll start saving to the hdd, but will still be accessed from the SSD cache. Same with any games, the game files are loaded through Windows and steam, so are now accessed through the SSD cache, once loaded from the hdd. It's slightly slower, just on the load, but after that works the same as if fully loaded on the SSD.

As long as the working program is on the SSD, that's where it's keeping its temp file, the cache file it uses for working, so if the working program is on the hdd, it's temp file is on the hdd, so works at hdd speeds.

For info read/write speeds
Average internal 7200rpm drive 80-160Mb/s
Average USB2 external 20-30 Mb/s
Average USB3 external 50-100 Mb/s
Average Sata3 SSD 320-500 Mb/s
Average NVMe SSD 800-1000 Mb/s

With your 4Tb 5400rpm, you'd be looking at the low end of the internal hdd, with a normal Sata 3 ssd you'd be working at 4x-5x faster speeds minimum.
Roughly. Drop in a m.2 NVMe like the Samsung 950/960 Pro and you are looking at 10x faster performance. Roughly. So think about a picture taking 1 minute to load now loading in 6 seconds. Roughly. Can be a huge impact in some programs.

Alright this makes much more sense to me now. Thanks again for the time you spent making this response!