Build Advice New Gaming Build advice

[morker]

Hi all, I´ve finally decided to upgrade my gaming build since my old one is from 2014 and can´t really keep up anymore. I want to basically start from almost scratch. any advice? Below the specifics. Thanks in advance!

Approximate Purchase Date: Probably after the new year as soon as I get a few days off to actually buy everything

Budget Range: 2-3K (not really a fixed budget, I can be flexible but I also don´t have to go overboard)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming /light work with Microsoft suite/ occasionally SPSS

Are you buying a monitor: At the moment no but I would like to buy a new one in the future (4k)



Parts to Upgrade: Everything except Mouse, Keyboard and Monitor

Do you need to buy OS: No
Please note that if you're using an OEM license of Windows, you will need a new one when buying a new motherboard.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon

Location: Germany

Parts Preferences: No Preference

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: now I have 1280x1024 Monitor but in the future (next couple of months probably I would like to get something nice and fancy with 4K

Additional Comments: I usually play Open world games but would really like something that can rock Cyberpunk, Elden ring, Witcher, Diablo 4 etc...Absolutely no FPS

Thanks Guys!

 

[Bob.B]

Hi all, I´ve finally decided to upgrade my gaming build since my old one is from 2014 and can´t really keep up anymore. I want to basically start from almost scratch. any advice? Below the specifics. Thanks in advance!

Approximate Purchase Date: Probably after the new year as soon as I get a few days off to actually buy everything

Budget Range: 2-3K (not really a fixed budget, I can be flexible but I also don´t have to go overboard)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming /light work with Microsoft suite/ occasionally SPSS

Are you buying a monitor: At the moment no but I would like to buy a new one in the future (4k)



Parts to Upgrade: Everything except Mouse, Keyboard and Monitor

Do you need to buy OS: No
Please note that if you're using an OEM license of Windows, you will need a new one when buying a new motherboard.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon

Location: Germany

Parts Preferences: No Preference

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: now I have 1280x1024 Monitor but in the future (next couple of months probably I would like to get something nice and fancy with 4K

Additional Comments: I usually play Open world games but would really like something that can rock Cyberpunk, Elden ring, Witcher, Diablo 4 etc...Absolutely no FPS

Thanks Guys!

My picks.

Cpu......12700/13700.....non-k.
Gpu......3080/4080.
Ram......2x16GB....ddr5.
Psu........quality 850w.

 

[Why_Me]

Intel is due to release their locked cpu's along with the B760 boards January 3rd. Seeing how you want to rock Cyberpunk I would look at a 1440P / 2K G-Sync compatible IPS gaming monitor. I used Geizhals but you can easily look up these components on Amazon.de

https://geizhals.eu/lian-li-lancool-216-a2847029.html
Lian Li LANCOOL 216 Mid Tower Case €109,90

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-lancool-216-review

B760 DDR5 Motherboard €200,00 - €225,00 if I had to guess. Here's an example of one of those boards.

https://www.techpowerup.com/302215/msis-b760-mag-tomahawk-pictured-ahead-of-official-launch

Intel Core i5 13400 / 13400F Processor €225,00 if I had to guess.

https://geizhals.eu/deepcool-ag620-r-ag620-bknnmn-g-1-a2851789.html
DeepCool AG620 CPU Cooler €54,90

or

Intel Core i7 13700 / 13700F Processor €400,00 if I had to guess.

https://geizhals.eu/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-4-bk022-a1794846.html
be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 CPU Cooler €77,31

https://geizhals.eu/noctua-nh-d15-chromax-black-a2152704.html
Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black CPU Cooler €99,90

https://geizhals.eu/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-acfre00068a-a2152640.html
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 AIO €102,85

https://geizhals.eu/g-skill-flare-x5-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-f5-6000j3636f16gx2-fx5-a2816008.html
G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 32GB (2x16GB) CL36 €171,98

https://geizhals.eu/western-digital-wd-blue-sn570-nvme-ssd-2tb-wds200t3b0c-a2614242.html
Western Digital WD Blue SN570 2TB M.2 NVMe SSD €130,19

https://geizhals.eu/corsair-rmx-series-rm850x-2021-850w-atx-2-52-cp-9020200-eu-a2501845.html
Corsair RM850x (2021) 850W 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply €143,34

https://geizhals.eu/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-oc-12g-gv-n3080gaming-oc-12gd-a2663424.html
GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3080 Gaming OC 12GB Graphics Card €1069,00

or

https://geizhals.eu/corsair-rmx-series-rm1000x-2021-1000w-atx-2-52-cp-9020201-eu-a2501686.html
Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000W 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply €183,43

https://geizhals.eu/?cat=gra16_512&xf=9816_03+05+17+-+RTX+4080
RTX 4080 16GB Graphics Card (starting at €1340,00)

https://geizhals.eu/asus-tuf-gaming-vg27aq1a-90lm05z0-b02370-a2402267.html
ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ1A €272.65

TUF GAMING VG27AQ1A｜Monitors｜ASUS Global

TUF Gaming monitors are ideal for competitive gamers on a budget, delivering a carefully selected set of high-end gaming features at palatable prices. Immaculate visuals are now within reach.

www.asus.com

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-t...pus-and-b760-motherboards-on-january-3rd-2023

Intel B760 Motherboards & 13th Gen Non-K CPUs To Launch on 3rd January, 2023

Intel will be launching its mainstream B760 motherboards and 13th Gen Non-K CPUs on the 3rd of January, just around CES 2023.

wccftech.com

 

[Ar558]

I would suggest
13600K
32GB DDR4 3600 (DDR5 isn't worth the massive price differential, people on here keep recommending it but it doesn't make any value sense)
B660 Mobo
Prob 2x 1TB Gen4 SSD (The Crucial P5 is pretty cheap and excellent peformance)
3080 - 40 Series are massively overpriced. Personally if you are currently at 1280*1024, you could go to 1440p and it would still seem incredible upgrade and then you could probably get a 6750XT or 3070 for cheaper.
750W/850W PSU (This will depend on GPU)

 

[morker]

Ok, with these builds you guys think I would be able to game at max res for while? Is all this worth the Buck?

 

[Ar558]

Ok, with these builds you guys think I would be able to game at max res for while? Is all this worth the Buck?

Well definitely at 1440p at Ultra, 4K at Ultra in some games but super hard to play stuff like Cyberpunk would need to only be high rather than Ultra

 

[morker]

So I tried to make a mockup of a possible build for around 3300. What do you guys think? If you guys think that I may have overlooked something or a certain upgrade might be worth it please let me know.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/mork3r8000/saved/FVXbpg


Thanks!

 

[geofelt]

An interesting build.

But, I would really question the msi liquid cooler as a pick.
MSI aio coolers have had some issues, and aio coolers in general do not last long.
In time, air intrudes or the pump fails.
The I3-13400 is not overly hot and comes with a (barely) adequate stock cooler.
Spending more on the cooler than the cpu does not compute.
A good air cooler will do the job.
I might suggest the Noctua NH-D15s at half the price.
Use the savings to upgrade to the I5-13500.

I really like the MSI Bazooka as a value motherboard.

The ram is good and appropriate.

On the m.2 drives, I would use a single 2tb drive.
Space management is easier on a single drive.
Crucial is ok, but for reliability, I would pick samsung:

Most Reliable PC Hardware of 2021

Here at Puget Systems, our goal is not only to provide the fastest workstations possible, but the most reliable as well. As a part of our constant drive to offer only the highest quality components possible, we track and regularly review the failure rates for each part we carry. Today, we want...

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4080 GPU is fine.

I love lian li quality and the 216 is excellent for air cooling.

Goood pick on a strong psu. It will only consume the power demanded of it, regardless of the max capability.
Good 10 year warranty.

 

[Why_Me]

So I tried to make a mockup of a possible build for around 3300. What do you guys think? If you guys think that I may have overlooked something or a certain upgrade might be worth it please let me know.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/mork3r8000/saved/FVXbpg


Thanks!

That Asrock board is going to struggle much with that 13900K due to its weak VRM's which will result in your system throttling down not to mention that board has the older Realtek 897 audio codec. Also you ideally want a 500GB SSD for Windows and a 2TB SSD for storage. $300 for case fans is a bit overboard imo unless that case comes with poor cooling.

If you're into the white look then have a look at this case.

https://geizhals.eu/lian-li-lancool-216-rgb-a2847025.html
Lian Li LANCOOL 216 RGB €114,90

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-lancool-216-review

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/
OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES
ARGB CONTROL & USB MODULE
An additional ARGB control & USB module can be installed at the side of the front panel to provide better control over the front ARGB fans. The ARGB control & USB module offers the option to create custom lighting styles by mixing the light effects of both LED channels individually.

https://geizhals.eu/lian-li-lan216-1-additional-i-o-kit-lan216-1w-a2853840.html
Lian Li LAN216-1 Additional I/O Kit, 2x USB-A 3.0 Aufrüstkit mit ARGB Controller für LANCOOL 216, weiß €17,99

I would look at pairing this board up with a 13 gen i7.

https://geizhals.eu/asus-prime-z790-a-wifi-90mb1cs0-m0eay0-a2819908.html
ASUS Prime Z790-A WIFI €313,90

PRIME Z790-A WIFI｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

ASUS Prime series is expertly engineered to unleash the full potential of AMD and Intel processors. Boasting a robust power design, comprehensive cooling solutions and intelligent tuning options, Prime series motherboards provide daily users and DIY PC builders a range of performance tuning...

www.asus.com

 

[morker]

That Asrock board is going to struggle much with that 13900K due to its weak VRM's which will result in your system throttling down not to mention that board has the older Realtek 897 audio codec. Also you ideally want a 500GB SSD for Windows and a 2TB SSD for storage. $300 for case fans is a bit overboard imo unless that case comes with poor cooling.

If you're into the white look then have a look at this case.

https://geizhals.eu/lian-li-lancool-216-rgb-a2847025.html
Lian Li LANCOOL 216 RGB €114,90

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-lancool-216-review

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/
OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES
ARGB CONTROL & USB MODULE
An additional ARGB control & USB module can be installed at the side of the front panel to provide better control over the front ARGB fans. The ARGB control & USB module offers the option to create custom lighting styles by mixing the light effects of both LED channels individually.

https://geizhals.eu/lian-li-lan216-1-additional-i-o-kit-lan216-1w-a2853840.html
Lian Li LAN216-1 Additional I/O Kit, 2x USB-A 3.0 Aufrüstkit mit ARGB Controller für LANCOOL 216, weiß €17,99

I would look at pairing this board up with a 13 gen i7.

https://geizhals.eu/asus-prime-z790-a-wifi-90mb1cs0-m0eay0-a2819908.html
ASUS Prime Z790-A WIFI €313,90

PRIME Z790-A WIFI｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

ASUS Prime series is expertly engineered to unleash the full potential of AMD and Intel processors. Boasting a robust power design, comprehensive cooling solutions and intelligent tuning options, Prime series motherboards provide daily users and DIY PC builders a range of performance tuning...

www.asus.com

So what kind of board should I look for ideally for the i9? And what about cooling, Fan or AIO?

 

[Why_Me]

So what kind of board should I look for ideally for the i9? And what about cooling, Fan or AIO?

For an i9 you want a 420 AIO and a board with a minimum 16 + 1 power phase design. To be honest the 13900K is an expensive heat producing power hog when it comes to a gaming build. An expensive board and cooling is required for that cpu. If you plan on overclocking then I would look at a i7 13700K / 13700KF. If no plans to overclock then I would look at a i7 13700 / 13700F.

 

[King Dranzer]

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor (€436.99 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 50 TR CPU Cooler (€46.57 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M AORUS ELITE AX Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€185.90 @ Alza)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory (€135.90 @ Alza)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€66.90 @ Alza)
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card (€1905.99 @ Computeruniverse)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case (€110.90 @ Alza)
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€195.90 @ Alza)
Total: €3085.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-26 21:09 CET+0100

This is what I recommend, specially if you plan to go 4K route. RTX4090 is recommended as that will get you most performance over longer period of time with far less compromise than anything else currently in the market. The performance gains for RTX4090 are extremely huge from its next step down GPU and that will really be useful at 4K.

 

[morker]

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor (€436.99 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 50 TR CPU Cooler (€46.57 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M AORUS ELITE AX Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€185.90 @ Alza)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory (€135.90 @ Alza)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€66.90 @ Alza)
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card (€1905.99 @ Computeruniverse)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case (€110.90 @ Alza)
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€195.90 @ Alza)
Total: €3085.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-02-26 21:09 CET+0100

This is what I recommend, specially if you plan to go 4K route. RTX4090 is recommended as that will get you most performance over longer period of time with far less compromise than anything else currently in the market. The performance gains for RTX4090 are extremely huge from its next step down GPU and that will really be useful at 4K.

You guys think this would be a valid alternative?

 

[Why_Me]

You guys think this would be a valid alternative?

No. A B760 mATX board for a 3+ slot card, a single 1TB SSD, a case with a single front intake fan, etc ...

 

[King Dranzer]

No. A B760 mATX board for a 3+ slot card, a single 1TB SSD, a case with a single front intake fan, etc ...

mATX board and 3+slot card. What is the issue? That GPU not gonna interfere with any of the bottom ports. 1TB SSD is enough to begin with and Storage can be expanded over time as per the requirement. That case comes with 2 Fans. More can be added as per the requirement. But if we go down to RTX4080 or RX7900XTX he will be loosing lot of performance.

 

[Why_Me]

mATX board and 3+slot card. What is the issue? That GPU not gonna interfere with any of the bottom ports. 1TB SSD is enough to begin with and Storage can be expanded over time as per the requirement. That case comes with 2 Fans. More can be added as per the requirement. But if we go down to RTX4080 or RX7900XTX he will be loosing lot of performance.

The B760 chipset is limited to 12 PCIe lanes which means that board is good for a single M.2 NVME SSD. It will gimp another one of those SSD's which limits the OP to a SATA SSD if he wishes to expand not to mention why pair up a B chipset board with an unlocked cpu. That case comes with a single front intake fan and that is a fact.

 

[King Dranzer]

The B760 chipset is limited to 12 PCIe lanes which means that board is good for a single M.2 NVME SSD. It will gimp another one of those SSD's which limits the OP to a SATA SSD if he wishes to expand not to mention why pair up a B chipset board with an unlocked cpu. That case comes with a single front intake fan and that is a fact.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/media...fig-Gallery-4000D-AF-BLACK-03.png_1200Wx1200H

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/media...fig-Gallery-4000D-AF-BLACK-03.png_1200Wx1200H

The second fan they're referring to is the rear exhaust fan.

 

[King Dranzer]

The B760 chipset is limited to 12 PCIe lanes which means that board is good for a single M.2 NVME SSD. It will gimp another one of those SSD's which limits the OP to a SATA SSD if he wishes to expand not to mention why pair up a B chipset board with an unlocked cpu. That case comes with a single front intake fan and that is a fact.

How much of NVMe storage you plan to have. 1TB is enough. Unless one is building a machine for productive work and heavy projects. For gaming 1TB is enough. Beyond that better get high Capacity HDDs or SSD if one has to store files and folders for long term Storage.

Redundant Storage that too External if possible is recommended if storing Valuable files and folders and want to have them stored forever.

 

[Why_Me]

The H770 / Z790 chipset (boards) have 24 PCIe lanes which allow for dual M.2 NVME SSD's. If the OP wasn't into a particular color scheme then this board paired up with a 13700 would be the way to go imo.

https://geizhals.eu/asus-tuf-gaming-h770-pro-wifi-90mb1d50-m0eay0-a2872247.html
ASUS TUF Gaming H770-Pro WIFI €226,98

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-h770-pro-wifi/

https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i7-13700-bx8071513700-a2871117
Intel Core i7-13700 €419,89

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html
Processor Base Power: 65W
Maximum Turbo Power: 219W

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-40-ghz/specifications.html
Processor Base Power: 125W
Maximum Turbo Power: 253W

There's a whopping one frame per second difference on average between the locked and unlocked 12 gen i7's and I doubt it's any different with these 13 gen cpu's.

 

[Why_Me]

How much of NVMe storage you plan to have. 1TB is enough. Unless one is building a machine for productive work and heavy projects. For gaming 1TB is enough. Beyond that better get high Capacity HDDs or SSD if one has to store files and folders for long term Storage.

Redundant Storage that too External if possible is recommended if storing Valuable files and folders and want to have them stored forever.

This is a €3000 build. After installing Windows and adding a few games such as CoD Warzone for example how much room is left on that 1TB SSD?

 

[King Dranzer]

The H770 / Z790 chipset (boards) have 24 PCIe lanes which allow for dual M.2 NVME SSD's. If the OP wasn't into a particular color scheme then this board paired up with a 13700 would be the way to go imo.

https://geizhals.eu/asus-tuf-gaming-h770-pro-wifi-90mb1d50-m0eay0-a2872247.html
ASUS TUF Gaming H770-Pro WIFI €226,98

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-h770-pro-wifi/

https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i7-13700-cm8071504820805-a2871159.html
Intel Core i7-13700 €398,99

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html
Processor Base Power: 65W
Maximum Turbo Power: 219W

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-40-ghz/specifications.html
Processor Base Power: 125W
Maximum Turbo Power: 253W

There's a whopping one frame per second difference on average between the locked and unlocked 12 gen i7's and I doubt it's any different with these 13 gen cpu's.

That is a Tray CPU. Please don't recommend that. Why you recommend that.

I did look at the price of Boxed CPU and the difference between K and Non-K is so small that going for Non-K doesn't make much sense.

 

[Why_Me]

That is a Tray CPU. Please don't recommend that. Why you recommend that.

I did look at the price of Boxed CPU and the difference between K and Non-K is so small that going for Non-K doesn't make much sense.

It makes total sense if you want a system that runs cooler. These 13 gen cpu's are pushed to their limits out of the box. If you want to overclock them for a few more frames per second then be prepared to spend some money on a board with VRM's that allow for it along with expensive cooling.

 

[King Dranzer]

It makes total sense if you want a system that runs cooler. These 13 gen cpu's are pushed to their limits out of the box. If you want to overclock them for a few more frames per second then be prepared to spend some money on a board with VRM's that allow for it along with expensive cooling.

That board and that cooler both are good enough to handle that i7-13700K Non-OC Boost Clocks without overheating or throttling. That board does not allow OC. But going with K version over Non-K version provides greater Boost Clocks without the requirement of OC.

 

[Why_Me]

That board and that cooler both are good enough to handle that i7-13700K Non-OC Boost Clocks without overheating or throttling. That board does not allow OC. But going with K version over Non-K version provides greater Boost Clocks without the requirement of OC.

One frame per second.