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Hi, I'm new to the forums

So I'll get straight to the point, currently I have a 6,5 years old PC. And I've read that AMD Vega should be released next month. So I decided to purchase a completely new PC and my budget is 3500€ at max. (doesn't mean it has to be that). I currently have a 27" QHD 75Hz monitor on which I intend to play my games. What I'm aiming for is at least High settings on most of the new games at 60+ fps 1440p. I'm currently looking at Ryzen 7 1700 with upcoming Vega XTX (Nova) or if not then probably 1080 Ti. I'm going to use my current SSDs and HDDs so no need for new ones.

This is an approximate build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nBQcnn

Also I'll be replacing all of the fans with noctuas. I do make music and video editing, so rendering is an option. I chose that case because I move a lot between my place and my parents' and I need a transportable case, or a case with a handle. My location is Slovakia, so purchase sites are either Amazon.de or this one https://www.alza.sk/EN/

Will it be an overkill pc for 1440p 60+ fps on high settings?

Thank you for all of the answers
 
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You are right. The 7700k will give u 130fps for 3yrs, but the 1700 will give u 110fps for 5yrs atleast. Beyond 80fps to 100fps its not even distinguishable to the naked eye unless u place a counter to ur screen.
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My suggestion for a top end build would be to use a I7-7700K.
The individual 7700k single thread performance is better than ryzen and the I7-7800K used in this series of gaming tests:
https://www.techspot.com/review/1445-core-i7-7800x-vs-7700k/
It shows that using 12 threads on the 7800X does not beat the 8 threads of the 7700K.
Ruzen Performance per clock is not quite up to intel, and ryzen overclock maximum is around 4.0 while the 7700K is closer to 5.0.

On the graphics, we need to see what VEGA will bring, at what price and what Nvidia has to respond with. Planning on a GTX1080ti card is reasonable and plenty for your needs.

My suggestion for a cooler would be a Noctua NH-U14s.
It will do the job, be quieter and safer in the process.

My canned rant on liquid cooling:
------------------------start of rant-------------------
You buy a liquid cooler to be able to extract an extra multiplier or two out of your OC.
How much do you really need?
I do not much like all in one liquid coolers when a good air cooler like a Noctua or phanteks can do the job just as well.
A liquid cooler will be expensive, noisy, less reliable, and will not cool any better
in a well ventilated case.
Liquid cooling is really air cooling, it just puts the heat exchange in a different place.
The orientation of the radiator will cause a problem.
If you orient it to take in cool air from the outside, you will cool the cpu better, but the hot air then circulates inside the case heating up the graphics card and motherboard.
If you orient it to exhaust(which I think is better) , then your cpu cooling will be less effective because it uses pre heated case air.
And... I have read too many tales of woe when a liquid cooler leaks.
google "H100 leak"
I would support an AIO cooler only in a space restricted case.
-----------------------end of rant--------------------------

Your pc will be quieter, more reliable, and will be cooled equally well with a decent air cooler.
 
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Alright I'm glad to hear that, since I've never built a PC before, I only made some research online. Also wouldn't the 1700 bottleneck the 1080 Ti or the upcoming Vega? If so I'd rather get the 1800X or if that would've bottleneck then I will go for an intel
 
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There is no such thing as "bottlenecking"
If, by that, you mean that upgrading a cpu or graphics card can
somehow lower your performance or FPS.
A better term might be limiting factor.
That is where adding more cpu or gpu becomes increasingly
less effective.

Today, a I7-7700K is as good as it gets for gaming, and GTX1080ti iss as good as it gets for a single gpu.
They are an appropriate balance for a high end build.

Current motherboards will include very good HD 7 channel sound.
You should see how you like it.
But, if you have high end speakers and are an audiophile, you might research discrete sound cards for a later addition. My tin ear is no help to you on that question.

Two tips for a first time builder:

1. Download and read, cover to cover the motherboard and case manuals.
2. Buy yourself a #2 magnetic tip Philips head screwdriver. 10" or so long
It is invaluable for assembly.

 
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7700k is not going to last you long. 1700 will.
For gaming Intel might be a good choice, bit for editing and rendering it isnt. For now, 1700 should be perfect for you.
But if you want even better, wait for Intel coffee lake which is about to come by the end of the year.
 
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interesting, so now I have a dilemma, I want my pc to last at least 5 years, so that's why I want 1080 Ti or the highest Vega that they'll release. If the 1700 can handle 1080 Ti without "bottlenecking" or should I say limiting its full potential then I'll stick to it
 
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Look for some gaming benchmarks using a 1700 cpu vs. a I7-7700K along with a strong graphics card.
With lesser graphics cards, you can get by with a weaker cpu.
Figuring out which apps or games can effectively use multi cores can be difficult.
Just because you see activity on all cores does not mean that a app is multithreaded.
It may just be Windows spreading out the activity over all available threads.
In fact if the activity is the same, it is a strong indication of a single thread app.
One way to tell would be to experiment with removing one core. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option. set the number of processors to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many cores.
As a rule, sims, mmo and strategy games use mainly a single fast core.
Here is one of the few articles researching that.
Skip the ad to get to the report:
http://www.dsogaming.com/editorial/report-despite-claims-most-pc-games-are-still-unable-to-take-advantage-of-more-than-4-cpu-cores/

and... game developers want to develop games for the largest possible market; they do not want to require many threads to run or they will restrict sales.

Upcoming coffeelake will still be 14nm process but with more threads and likely be priced better to compete with ryzen.

Ultimately, I think I would want the best individual core speeds for my response time apps like gaming, and would be more willing to tolerate longer batch running times for those apps that use many threads.

If you want to learn a bit more about why single thread speeds are important with many threads, look into "Amdahl's law"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law

 
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interesting, I will have to check that then but the thing is that i7 7700k(base) costs 351€ and the 5.0GHz edition costs 503€ while 7 1700 costs 340€ not considering mobo
 
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There is no such thing as a 5.0 edition I7-7700K.
All can be overclocked.
How high you can go is determined by your luck in getting a good chip.
Here are the odds:
As of 6/9/17
What percent can get an overclock at a somewhat sane 1.4v Vcore.

I7-7700K
4.9 83%
5.0 62%
5.1 29%
5.2 6%

The OC for a ryzen 1700 tops out at about 3.9 for a good chip.
and the work done per clock is somewhat less than for intel.
 
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umm a store in my country offers a pre-overclocked version of 5.0 GHz but from what I've seen th 1700 is a lot similar to 7700k in terms of fps in games @ 1440p. Also in terms of long run I think the 1700 would last longer. Or not? also is overclocking such a huge deal?
 
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well now I'm leaning on the AMD side, and guess I'll stay there, now I just have to wait for the Vega if it will be any good. Also do I need AiO water cooling for CPU if I want to OC it a bit?
 
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well I have an external soundcard that I use for my guitar recording, it's the Focusrite scarlett solo. But yeah I'll probably ditch the soundcard since I've picked the ROG Crossfire motherboard, which I think has some kind of better sound. Also what's a Samsung NVME drive? You mean instead of the m.2? Because I've decided that I'll let my current Samsung 850 Evo 120GB with OS in my current PC and I'll buy a M.2 and I'll put OS on that
 
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ok thanks a lot for the tips, I'm going to start ordering this week and I guess I'm going with the 1080 Ti, because as I know our market even if they present Vega next month it is not going to be available here for the next 3 months, so..
 
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