[SOLVED] new i7 9700k for 190USD or new i9-9900(non K) for 220 USD or keep waiting for 10 Series or Zen 3

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Been itching for an upgrade for a bit now since my i7-930 started showing its age when I tried playing some games in 3D Vision and they need more single core performance. Some 3D vision games like GTA V and GTA IV have a bug that limits the processing to 3 cores and so demands higher single core peform to get more juice outta my card. Right now my card in 3DV when rendring open world situations in those games uses only 20% of my GPU. This problem dissappears indoors in these bugged games

Anyways, my Intel store finally have a k processor available. I already snagged the non K a while back and have been sitting on it, unopened waiting for a K version to show up. I was actually hoping the 10 series would show up by now or a 9900k on the cheap but neither has happned. After 2 years of being at Intel, this is actually the only time I've seen a mainstream K version processor show up. So I am giving it till at least Zen 3 to see. While I wait, I am wondering if I should do any thing about this 9700k or wait to see if something like a10 series or 9900k pops up in our store

We are only limited to 2 buys a year and I've already used 1 on the 9900 not knowing when something decent will show up again.

Keep in mind, the 9900 can boost up to 4.7Ghz apparently on all cores
 
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Keep the 9900.
You always lose something on the transaction whenever you buy and sell.
A i9-9900 is a huge upgrade over your current i7-930. You should be very happy with it.
You have a very good cooler.
Specs say lga1151 compatibility.
Modern coolers come with mounting kits for many different socket types.
If you did not get a lga1151 mount or have lost it, contact thermalright customer support and they will likely send you one gratis.
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If it's for video games, 9700K and overclock the snot out of it (Just be prepared to get a beefy cooler)

If you do more than video games, like streaming, rendering, or make movies/music, then wait for Zen 3 if gaming is important to you. You will likely pay a little more because it will likely perform better than the 9700K and 9900K for single and multithread apps. (but this is just a guess)

If you do mainly work station task, and gaming is secondary, a Zen 2 3700->3900 series would be a good safe bet.

If you want the best value, a 3600 for $189
 
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digitalgriffin said:
If it's for video games, 9700K and overclock the snot out of it (Just be prepared to get a beefy cooler)

If you do more than video games, like streaming, rendering, or make movies/music, then wait for Zen 3 if gaming is important to you. You will likely pay a little more because it will likely perform better than the 9700K and 9900K for single and multithread apps. (but this is just a guess)

If you do mainly work station task, and gaming is secondary, a Zen 2 3700->3900 series would be a good safe bet.

If you want the best value, a 3600 for $189
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I mainly care about gaming tbh. And how much further than 4.9Ghz can you actually push a 9700k?
 
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digitalgriffin said:
5.0Ghz all core is possible with proper chipset and cooling. With Zen 2 3800X you might get 4.2GHz all core overclock. The Zen2 has a better IPC, but it's too much for the clock difference to make up for.
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And why would I opt for a 3600? And how much of a difference is there between 4.7Ghz (9900 max all core turbo) and 5 Ghz?
 
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Why would you go for a 3600? Because few games use more than 6/12 physical/logical cores. If you are on a budget it makes more sense. But it's about building a balanced system. Would I mate a 3600 with a 2080ti? Nope. 2060Super, RX5700, 2070, RX5700XT, maybe a 2070Super. This is especially true if you run at 1080p because you become more CPU constrained.

For MOST games that 9900K extra horsepower would go unused. An all core OC would also generate more heat.
 
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digitalgriffin said:
Why would you go for a 3600? Because few games use more than 6/12 physical/logical cores. If you are on a budget it makes more sense. But it's about building a balanced system. Would I mate a 3600 with a 2080ti? Nope. 2060Super, RX5700, 2070, RX5700XT, maybe a 2070Super. This is especially true if you run at 1080p because you become more CPU constrained.

For MOST games that 9900K extra horsepower would go unused. An all core OC would also generate more heat.
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digitalgriffin said:
Why would you go for a 3600? Because few games use more than 6/12 physical/logical cores. If you are on a budget it makes more sense. But it's about building a balanced system. Would I mate a 3600 with a 2080ti? Nope. 2060Super, RX5700, 2070, RX5700XT, maybe a 2070Super. This is especially true if you run at 1080p because you become more CPU constrained.

For MOST games that 9900K extra horsepower would go unused. An all core OC would also generate more heat.
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@gtarayan @digitalgriffin I game at 4K or 4K3D. Which is very GPU intensive. I wouldn't even upgrade from the 930 if it wasn't for this 3DV bug. The issue being in some games I enjoy, the games need more single core perfromance even at 4K3D to be able to use more of my GPU
 
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What do you have now?
What can you reuse?
I imagine that you will need a new motherboard as well as DDR4 ram.
9700K is a very good processor.
Some stats from silicon lottery:
As of 2/6/2019
What percent can get an overclock at a somewhat sane Vcore in the 1.337 to 1.375 range.
And AVX offset = 2.

I7-9700K

5.2 10%
5.1 35%
5.0 78%
4.9 100%
$190 seems like a very good price for a processor of that caliber.
You will need a z390 based motherboard to allow overclocking as well as ddr4 ram.

For cpu centric games, I do not think you can do better at that price.

If one is buying new, I like to buy the latest gen products.
Your i7-930 has 8 threads and a passmark rating of 2924. That is when all 8 threads are fully loaded.
The single thread rating is 1296. That is what most games depend on.
If you are budget constrained, $130 will buy you a 8 thread i3-10100 with a 9063/2696 rating.
A simple HB460 motherboard might be $75 and a 2 x 8gb DDR4 kit might be $60.

If you are looking at a big jump, consider a 12 thread i5-10600K with a 14865/2664 rating.
Here is a gaming review:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5-10600k-cpu-review
 
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gtarayan said:
Do you know of a place or someone who is selling a 9700k for $190? (it might be several years before it is sold for that much) It is typically sold for $300 - a poor value unless you already have a nice Z370/90 board and just looking for a quick upgrade.
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I do not have any modern boards. I am on my X58 from 2010. I already have a 9900 I bought earlier for 220. I am wondering if I should pick up the 9700k for 190 and sell the 9900 @gtarayan

geofelt said:
What do you have now?
What can you reuse?
I imagine that you will need a new motherboard as well as DDR4 ram.
9700K is a very good processor.
Some stats from silicon lottery:
As of 2/6/2019
What percent can get an overclock at a somewhat sane Vcore in the 1.337 to 1.375 range.
And AVX offset = 2.

I7-9700K

5.2 10%
5.1 35%
5.0 78%
4.9 100%
$190 seems like a very good price for a processor of that caliber.
You will need a z390 based motherboard to allow overclocking as well as ddr4 ram.

For cpu centric games, I do not think you can do better at that price.

If one is buying new, I like to buy the latest gen products.
Your i7-930 has 8 threads and a passmark rating of 2924. That is when all 8 threads are fully loaded.
The single thread rating is 1296. That is what most games depend on.
If you are budget constrained, $130 will buy you a 8 thread i3-10100 with a 9063/2696 rating.
A simple HB460 motherboard might be $75 and a 2 x 8gb DDR4 kit might be $60.

If you are looking at a big jump, consider a 12 thread i5-10600K with a 14865/2664 rating.
Here is a gaming review:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5-10600k-cpu-review
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I already have the 9900 but haven't opened it. Is the 9700k worth me selling the 9900 and buing the 9700k? I am always cost oriented as I don't belive I should be paying thousands to build a system. Granted I have tended to hold on to systems unless performance necessitates I uprade.

I can reuse my SSD/HDD, powersupply, and 1080 Ti. I think I'd need a better case and different CPU cooler as I don't think my Silver Arrow SB-E can work with modern sockets? @geofelt
 
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Keep the 9900.
You always lose something on the transaction whenever you buy and sell.
A i9-9900 is a huge upgrade over your current i7-930. You should be very happy with it.
You have a very good cooler.
Specs say lga1151 compatibility.
Modern coolers come with mounting kits for many different socket types.
If you did not get a lga1151 mount or have lost it, contact thermalright customer support and they will likely send you one gratis.
 
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geofelt said:
Keep the 9900.
You always lose something on the transaction whenever you buy and sell.
A i9-9900 is a huge upgrade over your current i7-930. You should be very happy with it.
You have a very good cooler.
Specs say lga1151 compatibility.
Modern coolers come with mounting kits for many different socket types.
If you did not get a lga1151 mount or have lost it, contact thermalright customer support and they will likely send you one gratis.
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So the extra Mhz aint worth it? @geofelt
Technically I could always sell at market value . The 9900 I got on a discount i mean
 
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