Discussion New PC build: looking for suggestions

[metalw6]

Hello Community,

So I'm looking for make a huge improvement to my outdated PC. I'm interested to go further to the new AMD family but I'm not sure on which CPU should I pick.
So first of all this is what will be left from my current set up:

https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/MmvhFG

At the above build you need to consider the hardware that I should change, which are:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-890-GPA
RAM: 16GB (4x4) DDR3 1333Mhz Corsair Vengeance

What to consider for my new build:

• Budget maximum 1000 Euro (including shipping costs), but if less is even better
• Gaming essentially but also streaming and photo/video editing (as video editing I'm not saying 3D rendering)
• 1080p is the maximum resolution
• For the MoBo, the audio system I have now needs to have other ports which usually are included on the majority of the ATX MoBo (not only the In/Out/Mic port)
• Longevity and future upgrades

I hope I have included everything you might need.
If you need more information please let me know!

Thanks everybody

 

[Zizo007]

where did u get this info from

Reddit and that motherboard doesn't support Ryzen 3000 because it needs a bios update with a Ryzen 1st or 2nd Gen CPU. Go read on Gigabyte website it doesn't have bios flashback and the original bios doesn't support Ryzen 3000.

 

[thekillerx10]

Reddit and that motherboard doesn't support Ryzen 3000 because it needs a bios update with a Ryzen 1st or 2nd Gen CPU. Go read on Gigabyte website it doesn't have bios flashback and the original bios doesn't support Ryzen 3000.

thanks for ur info.
i think this is now better :
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€212.72 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (€193.70 @ Custompc)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€90.70 @ Custompc)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€149.94 @ Komplett)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 5600 XT 6 GB Video Card (€383.88 @ Custompc)
Total: €1030.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-10 17:43 GMT+0000

Also he have the other option of getting ryzen 7 3700x and no gpu upgrade :

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€375.68 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (€193.70 @ Custompc)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€138.48 @ Custompc)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€149.94 @ Komplett)
Total: €857.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-10 17:45 GMT+0000

 

[jeremyj_83]

thanks for ur info.
i think this is now better :
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€212.72 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (€193.70 @ Custompc)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€90.70 @ Custompc)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€149.94 @ Komplett)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 5600 XT 6 GB Video Card (€383.88 @ Custompc)
Total: €1030.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-10 17:43 GMT+0000

Also he have the other option of getting ryzen 7 3700x and no gpu upgrade :

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€375.68 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (€193.70 @ Custompc)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€138.48 @ Custompc)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€149.94 @ Komplett)
Total: €857.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-10 17:45 GMT+0000

That motherboard won't work for the sound system. He has a 5.1 system that uses analog plugs so any motherboard needs 5 analog sound plugs.

 

[Zizo007]

Yea the cheapest with 5.1 is the MSI. Otherwise there is the TUF X570 which is slightly better but costs 280€. Europe is way overpriced that same motherboard is 160$ in the US.

 

[metalw6]

I really appreciate all your answers, very helpful.
Indeed there is a little bit of healty competition, which I really like.

So far, I've found these combinations:

1) PCPartPicker Part List: https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/tYtRfH

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€375.68 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (€204.95 @ Komplett)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€166.31 @ Custompc)
Total: €746.94

2) PCPartPicker Part List: https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/t3L6vn

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€212.72 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (€204.95 @ Komplett)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€166.31 @ Custompc)
Total: €583.98

So, what I don't get is why everybody are putting as primary option the suggestion to change the SSD with something bigger. Yes, it would be fantastic, but I don't see as mandatory upgrade since at the moment I need to change my CPU (so MOBO and RAM) as soon as possible.
As PSU I do agree, but I again I'm going to wait some few months before to repleace it.
GPU same story as PSU, I've bought it the last year and I don't feel the need to change it.
I perfectly understand the improvements to change PSU and GPU with something new, something better, but just to let you know with my current system (so Phenom and RX580) I'm able to play some of AAA games on Ultra graphics at 1080p smooth and without any issues.

I still put my focus on 1080p for at least one year, so I don't want a system that run smoothly at 1444p.

Other than that, what you guys think about the above builds? The difference in price is basically around 140 euro, but I guess the difference in productivity and gaming it's also different.
I had also the solution to pick up the MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, but I don't want to go with Red leds/lights as it seems to stuck with Red LED.

 

[King_V]

As PSU I do agree, but I again I'm going to wait some few months before to repleace it.

Do not trust that EVGA BQ power supply. Protect your new parts:
https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/product...-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020194-na

You're still well under your budget. But, honestly, you could save some more by going with a 2600 or 2600X processor. Additionally, I don't think the features of an X570 board are particularly necessary, and would recommend a B450 if one exists that has the audio outputs you need.

 

[tennis2]

I suggested to upgrade your 240GB SSD with something larger since you'll be re-installing Windows for these new components anyway. There are other ways (SysPrep), but a clean install is the best choice when doing this type of upgrade (CPU+mobo).

For me personally, 500GB is plenty for OS, programs, and a handful of games (depending on size since modern games are 30-60GB). I don't keep many games installed concurrently. And I don't often have many 30-60GB games installed concurrently.

 

[retroforlife]

For gaming i found a 500 GB SSD for the OS and two HDD 1 tb for storage and back up in mirror works great for my needs also added a cheap 500 GB SSD just for games . generally bigger SSD tend to have better life span and performance since your less likely to fill them close to full at that point performance drops hard because of the way they work . Just a thought also its pretty important to have a good PSU its the heart of your system if it fails and its not made well it could do damage to a lot of things its giving power to 😭😬
i went over kill with a HX750 with a 10 year warranty but i dont think you would have to go this far lol

 

[metalw6]

Ok guys, so here there are 3 different builds with the addition of a new SSD and a new PSU as you have suggested:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/MPgxRk

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€375.68 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (€204.95 @ Komplett)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€173.52 @ Custompc)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€104.53 @ Custompc)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€104.94 @ Komplett)
Total: €963.62


PCPartPicker Part List: https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/zFb6p8

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€212.72 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (€204.95 @ Komplett)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€173.52 @ Custompc)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€104.53 @ Custompc)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€104.94 @ Komplett)
Total: €800.66


PCPartPicker Part List: https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/42Wddm

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor (€198.78 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard (€111.71 @ Custompc)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€173.52 @ Custompc)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€104.53 @ Custompc)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€104.94 @ Komplett)
Total: €693.48

(for the last build my only concern would be the RAM since I'm not sure which speed would be compatible with the Ryzen 2xxx).

What do you think about the above 3 builds? Keep in mind that my main targets would be Gaming, Streaming, and Photo/Video Editing (Photoshop, After Effects, Premier in particular).

 

[King_V]

I am leaning in the direction of the last build. I don't know enough about the Gigabyte board to offer an opinion on it. Further, I don't think there's much harm in getting RAM that's too fast - worst case, you just can't run it at full speed.

It could be worth considering the 2700 instead of the 2700X, you lose 500Mhz base speed (but only 200Mhz loss of boost speed), but you save €15 and there's significantly less power consumption (65W vs 125W).


As for the middle build, you could save €54 by going Ryzen 5 2600X instead of 3600. The 2600X draws more power, but is otherwise the same clock speed (though the 3600 still would have a slight performance advantage over it - just not enough to justify an extra €54 in my opinion).


Needless to say, going with that PSU makes me far more comfortable and relieved!

 

[Zizo007]

3600Mhz RAM with 2700X will need tweaking and might not run at 3600.

 

[thekillerx10]

Ok guys, so here there are 3 different builds with the addition of a new SSD and a new PSU as you have suggested:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/MPgxRk

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€375.68 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (€204.95 @ Komplett)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€173.52 @ Custompc)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€104.53 @ Custompc)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€104.94 @ Komplett)
Total: €963.62


PCPartPicker Part List: https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/zFb6p8

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€212.72 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (€204.95 @ Komplett)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€173.52 @ Custompc)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€104.53 @ Custompc)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€104.94 @ Komplett)
Total: €800.66


PCPartPicker Part List: https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/42Wddm

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor (€198.78 @ Custompc)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard (€111.71 @ Custompc)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€173.52 @ Custompc)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€104.53 @ Custompc)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€104.94 @ Komplett)
Total: €693.48

(for the last build my only concern would be the RAM since I'm not sure which speed would be compatible with the Ryzen 2xxx).

What do you think about the above 3 builds? Keep in mind that my main targets would be Gaming, Streaming, and Photo/Video Editing (Photoshop, After Effects, Premier in particular).

I would go for the 2700x as the difference between 2700x and 3600 is not big in gaming but in premier , photoshop and other things you have mentioned the 2 more cores and 4 more threads will help in that also i recommend getting a m.2 ssd this one :
PCPartPicker Part List

Storage: Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€98.47 @ Custompc)
Total: €98.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-11 17:44 GMT+0000
it is better and cheaper than the 860 evo

 

[metalw6]

Thanks everybody for your help. I think I'm going with my latest build, which is the Ryzen 7 2700x.
Before to post the complete build, any recommendation about the RAM? Can I go with the one linked which run at 3600? I've checked the Gigabyte website specification about that MoBo and seems to support it as well to support Ryzen 3xxx (but probably a BIOS update would be necessary). Is pointless to spend money for a 3600 RAM or I can go with it in case in future I'm gonna upgrade my PC with a Ryzen 3xxx CPU?

Just to add more, I've read several situation where the fastest memory could work or couldn't work at all. It seems an issue in relation to Ryzen 1xxx and Chipset B350, but I'm not sure.
Is 3600 a good choice? Or is just a waste of money?

 

[King_V]

The higher up in RAM speed you go, the more diminishing returns you get. So, say, over 3466 or 3200, I wouldn't personally be willing to pay much of a premium for 3600 RAM.

That said, in addition to checking the motherboard maker's QVL list, you can also check the RAM maker's site (in this case, G.Skill, though other RAM makers have similar tools) and use their lookup-by-motherboard tool. They will list what RAM they make that supports the board, and they tend to be more comprehensive than the motherboard's QVL list.

Note: For my son's machine, I have 3200MHz RAM, not on the motherboard maker's QVL list, but on Corsair's site as being usable for that motherboard. It works, but I couldn't use the XMP 3200MHz setting, I had to manually set it down to 3066. I suspect, however, that my Ryzen 1600 CPUs memory controller might be the limiting factor, but don't hold me to that.

 

[metalw6]

Thanks again for your answer. So I've spent a lot of time by looking on the MOBO and RAM QVL and seems that everything looks incompatible. Now, I really don't understand if it is just marketing (bumping the new Ryzen family) or those MOBO available on my country are pretty much useless.

I've tried to check the Gigabyte I've putted on the list and doesn't show to be compatible with the same RAM you can find on my builds. Same story for MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC and ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F. I'm probably too picky (yes I admit I want something with RGB) but seriously, the MOBO situation si getting ridicolous nowdays.

I don't have so many knowledge but what happen if I will purchase a RAM not listed into any QVL? Does it work or doesn't work at all?

Still need help here

 

[Zizo007]

Thanks again for your answer. So I've spent a lot of time by looking on the MOBO and RAM QVL and seems that everything looks incompatible. Now, I really don't understand if it is just marketing (bumping the new Ryzen family) or those MOBO available on my country are pretty much useless.

I've tried to check the Gigabyte I've putted on the list and doesn't show to be compatible with the same RAM you can find on my builds. Same story for MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC and ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F. I'm probably too picky (yes I admit I want something with RGB) but seriously, the MOBO situation si getting ridicolous nowdays.

I don't have so many knowledge but what happen if I will purchase a RAM not listed into any QVL? Does it work or doesn't work at all?

Still need help here

It might work but probably not at XMP speeds.