[SOLVED] New PC Build New to this

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Hi everyone,

So i've been wanting to join the master race for some time now, and i've been researching builds for about 2 years nearly, but i'm too nervous to commit to a purchase as I still feel like i'm not 100% sure on the components to my build.

To give you all an idea of what I want it for, It will be gaming primarily, mostly on AAA titles, Ballefield, COD, Apex Legends, Destiny, Rainbow Six Siege etc. So the higher the frame rate the better (Duh!) I do Graphics Design as a job, mainly at my office currently but would like to take some home, eventually I would like to dabble in streaming, nothing too heavy at the moment, but that can wait if the CPU isn't up to scratch for it.

After looking at multiple pc building sites I have come across a build that (I think) might be "the one" for me, through pcspecialist.

I've listed the components below, and *ed the ones i'm not sure about, so any advice would be much appreciated, anything that might improve the build, without adding a huge amount of money as this is pretty much my budget. (This is all excluding peripherals)

Case CORSAIR SPEC-DELTA RGB MID TOWER GAMING CASE
***(CPU) AMD Ryzen 5 2600X Six Core CPU (3.6GHz-4.25GHz/19MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE: DDR4, USB 3.1 - RGB Ready
(RAM) 16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2400MHz (2 x 8GB)
Is the Super really worth the extra???
***Graphics Card 8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
Storage
1st - 2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
2nd - 256GB ADATA SX6000 Pro PCIe M.2 2280 (2100 MB/R, 1200 MB/W)
Is this PSU good enough quality?
***PSU CORSAIR 450W VS SERIES™ VS-450 POWER SUPPLY
CPU cooling PCS FrostFlow 100 V2 Series High Performance CPU Cooler (AMD)

I think everything else is fairly standard, such as W10 OS, Standard Thermal paste, power cable, bullguard 90 day trial, office trials etc. are included.

If you guys can suggest any tweaks that would be awesome, if you think it's good for the job, it might just be about time I took the plunge.

Thanks in advance!
 
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1. Try to get a 3rd gen Ryzen CPU if possible, they are better performer for usually not much more money. You can use the same B450 board for 3rd gen Ryzen as well, though I would recommend going with MSI due to their Flashback feature which lets you update BIOS without installing a CPU, a feature you might need when combining a 3rd Gen Ryzen with a B450 motherboard. The MSI B450 Tomahawk is a good choice in this regard.

2. Get faster RAM. Ryzen CPU's want and need and deserve fast RAM because it affects their performance significantly. Get 3000 MHz at least, 3200 MHz is the best/optimal.

3. How much extra are you paying for the 2060 SUPER over the 2060?

4. The power supply is absolute trash, get a Corsair CX550 or even better, try...
1. Try to get a 3rd gen Ryzen CPU if possible, they are better performer for usually not much more money. You can use the same B450 board for 3rd gen Ryzen as well, though I would recommend going with MSI due to their Flashback feature which lets you update BIOS without installing a CPU, a feature you might need when combining a 3rd Gen Ryzen with a B450 motherboard. The MSI B450 Tomahawk is a good choice in this regard.

2. Get faster RAM. Ryzen CPU's want and need and deserve fast RAM because it affects their performance significantly. Get 3000 MHz at least, 3200 MHz is the best/optimal.

3. How much extra are you paying for the 2060 SUPER over the 2060?

4. The power supply is absolute trash, get a Corsair CX550 or even better, try to get a SeaSonic Focus Plus unit if you can squeeze it into the budget, it may seem overkill but trust me you won't regret it. A good quality PSU is essential for a gaming system and/or workstation. Absolutely totally avoid the Corsair VS units, they are a nightmare. Consider the Corsair CX450 a minimum for your system, and if you plan on ever upgrading the GPU without changing the PSU first, get the Corsair CX550.

5. Finally, you don't really need a CPU cooler for the 2600X or for any Ryzen 3rd gen chip, the included stock cooler is good enough, so you can save on that. Also don't need separate thermal paste, the stock cooler has pre-applied thermal paste that you can use once, but if you remove the cooler ever, you'll need to change the thermal paste so take that into consideration when deciding whether to buy some paste or not.

I will not comment on your storage since I haven't really seen this SSD before, hopefully someone else will tell you if there's anything wrong with that SSD, but the hard drive is fine.
 
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1. Try to get a 3rd gen Ryzen CPU if possible, they are better performer for usually not much more money. You can use the same B450 board for 3rd gen Ryzen as well, though I would recommend going with MSI due to their Flashback feature which lets you update BIOS without installing a CPU, a feature you might need when combining a 3rd Gen Ryzen with a B450 motherboard. The MSI B450 Tomahawk is a good choice in this regard.

2. Get faster RAM. Ryzen CPU's want and need and deserve fast RAM because it affects their performance significantly. Get 3000 MHz at least, 3200 MHz is the best/optimal.

3. How much extra are you paying for the 2060 SUPER over the 2060?

4. The power supply is absolute trash, get a Corsair CX550 or even better, try to get a SeaSonic Focus Plus unit if you can squeeze it into the budget, it may seem overkill but trust me you won't regret it. A good quality PSU is essential for a gaming system and/or workstation. Absolutely totally avoid the Corsair VS units, they are a nightmare. Consider the Corsair CX450 a minimum for your system, and if you plan on ever upgrading the GPU without changing the PSU first, get the Corsair CX550.

5. Finally, you don't really need a CPU cooler for the 2600X or for any Ryzen 3rd gen chip, the included stock cooler is good enough, so you can save on that. Also don't need separate thermal paste, the stock cooler has pre-applied thermal paste that you can use once, but if you remove the cooler ever, you'll need to change the thermal paste so take that into consideration when deciding whether to buy some paste or not.

I will not comment on your storage since I haven't really seen this SSD before, hopefully someone else will tell you if there's anything wrong with that SSD, but the hard drive is fine.

This is brilliant feedback, thank you!

I can't seem to change the CPU to a 3rd gen Ryzen on this build but I will have a play about with it and see if I can get one.

The extra cost for the SUPER is only about £40, but it's whether that £40 is worth it or I can stick with the 2060 and put that towards faster RAM as you suggested or the 3rd gen CPU.

I think the thermal paste is referring to what is already used, not additional, but the cooler is only a £19 one so would it maybe worth me keeping it incase I upgrade the CPU at a later date?

Thanks again for your help so far
 
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okay, so I managed to tweak a similar priced build with the following, this is following your suggestions with a couple of things that I wasn't able to change, like the fact there is a CX650 PSU there instead of the 550.

CAS:Cooler Master MasterBox MB520 Mid-Tower Gaming Case

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 6-Core 3.60GHz, 4.2GHz Turbo - 32MB L3 Cache Processor, Pro OC Compatible (No On-board Graphics)
AMD Ryzen Wraith CPU Cooler

HDD: 2TB Seagate BarraCuda SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM Hard Drive (1 Drive)

(IS SSD BETTER THAN A M2SSD?)
M2SSD: 256GB (1x256GB) ADATA XPG SX6000 Pro M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD - 2100MB/s Read & 1200MB/s Write [+38] (Single Drive)

MEMORY: 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4/3200mhz Dual Channel Memory [+44] (Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB w/Heat Spreader)

MB: MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX: ATX w/ USB 3.1, SATA3, 1x M.2

POWERSUPPLY: Corsair Vengeance Series 650M 650W 80+ Silver Gaming Power Supply

GPU: MSI GeForce® RTX 2060 6GB - DX12®, VR Ready, HDMI, DP - 4 Monitor Support (Single Card)

(SUPER in this build seems to add a little more, roughly £70)
 
okay, so I managed to tweak a similar priced build with the following, this is following your suggestions with a couple of things that I wasn't able to change, like the fact there is a CX650 PSU there instead of the 550.

CAS:Cooler Master MasterBox MB520 Mid-Tower Gaming Case

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 6-Core 3.60GHz, 4.2GHz Turbo - 32MB L3 Cache Processor, Pro OC Compatible (No On-board Graphics)
AMD Ryzen Wraith CPU Cooler

HDD: 2TB Seagate BarraCuda SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM Hard Drive (1 Drive)

(IS SSD BETTER THAN A M2SSD?)
M2SSD: 256GB (1x256GB) ADATA XPG SX6000 Pro M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD - 2100MB/s Read & 1200MB/s Write [+38] (Single Drive)

MEMORY: 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4/3200mhz Dual Channel Memory [+44] (Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB w/Heat Spreader)

MB: MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX: ATX w/ USB 3.1, SATA3, 1x M.2

POWERSUPPLY: Corsair Vengeance Series 650M 650W 80+ Silver Gaming Power Supply

GPU: MSI GeForce® RTX 2060 6GB - DX12®, VR Ready, HDMI, DP - 4 Monitor Support (Single Card)

(SUPER in this build seems to add a little more, roughly £70)

M2 SSD's just use a different interface - instead of using a cable to be connected to the motherboard, M.2 SSD's are directly installed on the motherboard. M.2 is generally faster than SATA SSD's, but that's about where my knowledge on SSD's comes to an end. Either way, for normal usage you don't need to go too much into the details of all this.

This build seems a much better one than the original, the power supply is good quality so no need to worry about that.
 
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okay, so I managed to tweak a similar priced build with the following, this is following your suggestions with a couple of things that I wasn't able to change, like the fact there is a CX650 PSU there instead of the 550.

CAS:Cooler Master MasterBox MB520 Mid-Tower Gaming Case

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 6-Core 3.60GHz, 4.2GHz Turbo - 32MB L3 Cache Processor, Pro OC Compatible (No On-board Graphics)
AMD Ryzen Wraith CPU Cooler

HDD: 2TB Seagate BarraCuda SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM Hard Drive (1 Drive)

(IS SSD BETTER THAN A M2SSD?)
M2SSD: 256GB (1x256GB) ADATA XPG SX6000 Pro M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD - 2100MB/s Read & 1200MB/s Write [+38] (Single Drive)

MEMORY: 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4/3200mhz Dual Channel Memory [+44] (Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB w/Heat Spreader)

MB: MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX: ATX w/ USB 3.1, SATA3, 1x M.2

POWERSUPPLY: Corsair Vengeance Series 650M 650W 80+ Silver Gaming Power Supply

GPU: MSI GeForce® RTX 2060 6GB - DX12®, VR Ready, HDMI, DP - 4 Monitor Support (Single Card)

(SUPER in this build seems to add a little more, roughly £70)
Are you planning on using RTX? If not try and get an AMD 5700 XT graphics card in the build instead. It has a similar cost (in the US) but performs more like a 2070 super. M.2 SSDs are almost always faster than normal SATA SSDs. The one you have chosen isn't super fast compared to other higher-end M.2's but still way faster than a normal SSD can go.
 
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Are you planning on using RTX? If not try and get an AMD 5700 XT graphics card in the build instead. It has a similar cost (in the US) but performs more like a 2070 super. M.2 SSDs are almost always faster than normal SATA SSDs. The one you have chosen isn't super fast compared to other higher-end M.2's but still way faster than a normal SSD can go.

I do quite like the look of RTX, yeah. I know it's still fairly early in regards to raytracing developement but i'm sure that will change in the near future right? Would you not recommend the RTX at the moment?

I appreciate the feedback on M.2 SSD's, that's always something that's baffled me. I'll look into some higher end ones before purchasing the rig and see if there's any better ones in my price range.