New possible build

[WIPGamer]

I have a build that someone else has recommended to me but, i just want to see what other people think http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gt3JD3 <----- that is the link. Also, what would be a good monitor for under 150$ USA. Lastly, I am thinking about getting either a G710+ or a K70 with either blue or red cherry. The G710 is 80-90$ while the K70 is 130. Is the keyboard worth the extra money?

 

[WIPGamer]

The keyboard and the monitor aren't included for the price of the overall build. Please stay under 740, the link is 790.. which is a bit to much.

 

[koffeeshop77]

power supply , youll need a better one,
you are shorting youself on the motherboard!!! get a decent mother board with that system e.g. asus z97 a1, msi..
add 16 gig ram g skill trident 2400
keyboard is person prefrence, i use logtech since i was like born, love logitech, i would really make sure you want a cherry keyboard before spending that money on it. it not worth it for me

 

[WIPGamer]

power supply , youll need a better one,
you are shorting youself on the motherboard!!! get a decent mother board with that system e.g. asus z97 a1, msi..
add 16 gig ram g skill trident 2400
keyboard is person prefrence, i use logtech since i was like born, love logitech, i would really make sure you want a cherry keyboard before spending that money on it. it not worth it for me

Sorry, but did you hear about my budget. Also could you give me a list of what to get, sorry for being so needy.

 

[koffeeshop77]

i would go with a k series CPU , you have no overclock abilyt what so ever.
i would alos go with an acer monitor they are pretty cheap even get one refub of amazon. 70-80$
will save some money
you could go with a cheaper 970 or even 960.
curently you would be slowing your 970 down, not being able to push it to the max my opinion.

If you really need to stay under 790 with monitor expensive keayboard and top of the line GPU, i would switch to AMD and overclock. and have 8 cores.

i have no clue how to make one of those list sry,

 

[DarkSable]

1) Good pick on the locked i5, but I think we can get cheaper.

2) Koffeeshop would be right on the motherboard if you had an unlocked, overclockable processor - he didn't notice that. It's still a poor quality board, though, so I'm going to upgrade you to a good quality h97 board.

3) 16GB is a waste of money, but your 8GB should be 2x4GB, not 1x8GB.

4) Downgrade the SSD; you do NOT need a 240GB ssd, since most games get absolutely zero benefit from being on one.

5) Seagates have been running hot and noisy recently, and Western Digital isn't much more expensive.

6) That's a really cruddy 970, I'm going to try to get you a good one.

7) Very poor case, it will feel cheap and be a pain to work in. If I can fit it in, I'll get you a better case, since it's to be housing nice parts.

8) Bad quality power supply, and way bigger than you need.

I'll be back with a parts list in just a sec.

 

[DarkSable]

i would go with a k series CPU , you have no overclock abilyt what so ever.
i would alos go with an acer monitor they are pretty cheap even get one refub of amazon. 70-80$
will save some money
you could go with a cheaper 970 or even 960.
curently you would be slowing your 970 down, not being able to push it to the max my opinion.

If you really need to stay under 790 with monitor expensive keayboard and top of the line GPU, i would switch to AMD and overclock. and have 8 cores.

i have no clue how to make one of those list sry,

He's got no budget, dude... why should he spend more to get a k series cpu, a motherboard that can overclock, and a cooler, instead of spending it on a good graphics card?

You'd downgrade to a 960 in trade for a very slightly faster CPU for gaming? That makes no sense...

And as for the FX- chip, the i5 is a better buy unless the guy is going to be playing very heavily threaded games.

pcpartpicker.com

 

[DarkSable]

The motherboard has $10 off if you buy it quick. I cut the SSD in order to afford a good quality 970 - the SSD is more for quality of life anyways. You could easily swap to a 960 and throw a 120GB Samsung 850 EVO or OCZ SSD in there. Also, the K70 is a great keyboard, and if you go with that and a cheaper (still good quality, 1080p) monitor like this budget acer (https://pcpartpicker.com/part/acer-monitor-etws0hpa01) or a refurbished option, you could stretch to have both.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Directron)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $761.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-16 20:50 EDT-0400

 

[koffeeshop77]

already gave you the best answer no need for insult, its not like i disagreed with you, there are always options. gosh

 

[DarkSable]

already gave you the best answer no need for insult, its not like i disagreed with you, there are always options. gosh

OP's the one who should pick that, and I do apologize if I came off as insulting; I didn't mean to be.

~$700 is a very tricky budget to work with, because it's just on the cusp of being able to buy all high-end parts, but not quite, so it's a matter of figuring out what to cut. I was just making some points on your feedback to put them in context of the budget. The FX-8000 series is a great CPU, if you're willing to overclock the heck out of it, but as long as you can afford a locked i5, it's usually a better option.

 

[WIPGamer]

already gave you the best answer no need for insult, its not like i disagreed with you, there are always options. gosh

OP's the one who should pick that, and I do apologize if I came off as insulting; I didn't mean to be.

~$700 is a very tricky budget to work with, because it's just on the cusp of being able to buy all high-end parts, but not quite, so it's a matter of figuring out what to cut. I was just making some points on your feedback to put them in context of the budget. The FX-8000 series is a great CPU, if you're willing to overclock the heck out of it, but as long as you can afford a locked i5, it's usually a better option.

So so far the best possible build here is Dark sable's am I right? Also, what budget would I have to have if I got all the high end parts?

 

[WIPGamer]

already gave you the best answer no need for insult, its not like i disagreed with you, there are always options. gosh

OP's the one who should pick that, and I do apologize if I came off as insulting; I didn't mean to be.

~$700 is a very tricky budget to work with, because it's just on the cusp of being able to buy all high-end parts, but not quite, so it's a matter of figuring out what to cut. I was just making some points on your feedback to put them in context of the budget. The FX-8000 series is a great CPU, if you're willing to overclock the heck out of it, but as long as you can afford a locked i5, it's usually a better option.

So so far the best possible build here is Dark sable's am I right? Also, what budget would I have to have if I got all the high end parts?

 

[WIPGamer]

When I look at the details of the monitor you sent me I see that it is not ips and it has 1000-1 contrast, while the other monitor I was looking at ------>http://pcpartpicker.com/part/acer-monitor-umwg7aa001 .

 

[DarkSable]

IPS is very, very hyped, and doesn't make a difference for gaming, especially not a cheap IPS panel like that. If you want it, buy it, just know that $30 could be put to better use elsewhere.

As for the build that I suggested to you, it does have all high end parts in it, but without expanding the budget slightly, you're down the SSD. Now, that's perfectly fine, you can add one in later or not worry about it, since it doesn't make a difference for gaming.

 

[WIPGamer]

Well the monitor and the keyboard are both going to be bought by my uncle. I need to see how much my uncle is going to spend on me when I go to New York.

 

[koffeeshop77]

im a over clocker , i would clock it a fx 8320 and i would want to clock a intel as well you budget dosent spring for a high end intel so you would be stuck with 3.1 ghz which at its best days isnt that fast honestly. if mutlit core and all that isnt what he needs then go with the new i3 for 118$
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4460-vs-Intel-Core-i3-4150
its the same speed, better value.
then get the monitor hell even a better one,you wish for and through in the xtra cash for ssd and keyboard.

if you go AMD you can OC it at least to a good i5 3570k or so standernd
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4460-vs-AMD-FX-8320
this is the one im talking about and it would be by far FASTER and cheaper which you may have to invest in a 36$ cooler or so and it be even faster.
you would also get a better board as even that ASUS ROCK is not very good.(just fits budget)

just cause it a cheap intel dsoent make it faster or better, with the right oc mobo he would have a killer rig.
idk y but intel just cam out with these cheap procs not to long ago and they arnt really that good intell is just tryin to get into the lower budget market with AMD but AMD FX can all overclock and intell only ther 300-400 k seires can and that makes it a mot point to me i wouldn't know what to do with those if some one gave it to me.

MY TWO CENTS.. dont yell please proof is above and overclocking is fun, sry idk how to do fancy links.

just for future purposes:
i3 has 2 core plus hyperthed = like a 4 core almost
i5 has 4 core no hyper thread
fx 8xxx has 8 cores
8 cores makes a difference when your talking game like battlefield 3 and future games will only get worse. i5' are becoming minimum requirements rather that recommend unlike like say a year ago.

 

[koffeeshop77]

lol tell him you need a grafic card to go with you monitor and you'll by the keyboard.... much better deal!

 

[WIPGamer]

I can't overclock and since I am a noob, both of you arguing is just confusing me... So, once again I ask for something that does not go over 760$. Please just figure out what would be the best and tell me...Thanks!

 

[WIPGamer]

I know nothing about computers so sorry if this is a stupid question but what about this Asus Strix GTX970

 

[Jeff Baffalo]

Not the best quality but you got to do what you got to do

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($173.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ ARC 100 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Green 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $756.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-17 22:32 EDT-0400

 

[WIPGamer]

The motherboard has $10 off if you buy it quick. I cut the SSD in order to afford a good quality 970 - the SSD is more for quality of life anyways. You could easily swap to a 960 and throw a 120GB Samsung 850 EVO or OCZ SSD in there. Also, the K70 is a great keyboard, and if you go with that and a cheaper (still good quality, 1080p) monitor like this budget acer (https://pcpartpicker.com/part/acer-monitor-etws0hpa01) or a refurbished option, you could stretch to have both.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Directron)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $761.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-16 20:50 EDT-0400

So what s better your build or jeff baffalo's ----> http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4v8xK8

 

[koffeeshop77]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($108.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($55.75 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($58.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Black2 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($138.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Directron)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Acer S220HQLAbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($99.99 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Logitech G710 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($84.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $971.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-18 23:05 EDT-0400

i made one too to figure out how it works, 786.5 without keyboard or monitor
974.46 with all ^^ KB and monitor
you have a ssd/hdd combinded which has pretty good ratings so you wont have to sacrefice anything, you i3 is clocked higher then you i5 and has 2cores plus hyperthreding so seemlingling the same as i5 just less money(it will not bottle neck you 970 incase someone asks). you have 4 ram bays incase you need to upgrade later, i stuck with the fractal caus it a pretty good case for the money, the seesonic PSU is twice as much power than you will need even with the 970 "superclocked"(its already overclocked for speed you dont have to do it yourself ) it is pretty much right at budget if you unckle helps you out with the monitor and key board. you MOBO is good and has great reviews as well and will last you for a while. good luck.

 

[koffeeshop77]

as for you other qustion above darksable dosent give you a SSD while he does give you an i5 which will be slower (600mhz slower)than my i3. i do like sables H97 mobo i believe it has more usb3 ports then mine it is a liitle more$ the .. may be worth it. (only has a 3 star rateing)
jeff gives you a thermal tec case which i have alwas had bad experieces with ( like 3 times) and the motherboard is not update-a-able as every slot on the mobo will be filled out with the ram.

 

[WIPGamer]

Ok thanks for the insight.

 

[DarkSable]

Koffee, you can't use clock speed alone to compare CPUs. Yes, the i5 I recommended is slower, but in a game that's tri-threaded or better, it'll have a good 20-25% better performance over an i3. Hyperthreading is not even close to as useful as you're making it out to be. (Also, ratings on PCpartpicker are, unfortunately, not that reliable. :/ )

The hybrid drives are okay, but you're spending $140 for a drive rather than $55 for a 1TB hard drive and $50 for an 80GB ssd, which might make more sense.

The STRIX 970 has some issues, unfortunately, and should be avoided.

Between my build and jeff baffalo's build, what it really comes down to is where you want to sacrifice. He gives you an SSD, which I don't. It makes general use nicer, but it doesn't affect gaming at all, so I gave it up in order to get you better quality parts overall.

Also, there's a VERY IMPORTANT thing to note about his build... it's actually $70 more than it seems, because PCpartpicker discounts mail in rebates. You are very unlikely to get those, and even if you do, you still have to pay $790 for the whole thing. (Mine has $10 in rebates.)

EDIT: also, koffee, that ram you suggested will be a total waste. It won't affect gaming at all, and I would be very surprised if you could even get it to run at the speeds it's rated for with an i3 and b85 motherboard.