Build Advice New Rig

[cAllen]

Morning folks. It's time for me to build a new system and it's been a while so all help will be appreciated.

Current build for reference:

x3380 @3.16 GHz
GA-EP45-UD3R (rev. 1.1)
GeForce GTX-295
8GB OCZ Reaper HPC DDR2-800 (4x2)
WD1002FBSY
1000W PC
Antec P182 case

It took me months to figure this build out back then because I was hardware stupid. That said, everything has changed since, so I'm right back to hardware stupid. The usage will be the normal everyday crap, games, connecting with work and some CAD...so basically does everything...but must be a solid, reliable 24/7/365 system. Currently running W7 Ult-64, Office 7 Ult, Adobe Master Suite 5.5, and all SOP s/w...but time to update there too.

P.S. I'm a Windows/Intel/NVIDIA guy...no exceptions. So let the beatings begin.

Thank you.

 

[Lafong]

Can you spend 1000 or 5000?

Do you intend to stay with Windows 7?

Your preferred seller is Amazon? Newegg? Local face to face?

Do you need a new monitor?

Do you have a rough idea of the TOTAL amount of storage you will need?

What games at what settings?

 

[cAllen]

Thanks...trying to keep it around $2,500.
Likely will update to W10/11.
Always shop with reputable for best price.
Outside the box not part of this build.
1-2 TB.
Games more for the kids and quests so I'm not up to date. I'm just the Daddy/Provider.

 

[USAFRet]

Generally, start here:

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Several people will be along to design you something.

 

[Lafong]

I'm assuming 2500 with no software other than a new Windows for maybe 130.

Assuming you are not overclocking obsessed...which is declining in popularity anyway.

Leaving near 2400 for hardware per se. Should be near top of the line.

Avoiding HDD purposely.

Here's some rough estimates:

Case 100

Power supply 125

Motherboard 225; Intel B660 or Z690

16 or 32 GB RAM; 75 to 125; nearly triple that if you demand DDR5, which may decline in price, but nobody knows how soon.

Boot SSD; 500 GB; 75

Storage SSD; 2 TB; 200

High quality air cooler; 100

Case fans/doodads; 50

CPU: i-7 12700 or 12700K; 350 to 400

That's 1300 to 1400; maybe 1600 if you want DDR 5.

Leaving at least 800 for a video card that may be way more than you need.

You may well be able to do it for 2000 total, depending on video card demands.

Take your time. Decide if you want DDR 5; it offers little advantage now, regardless of price. A DDR 4 motherboard cannot later accept DDR 5.

 

[cAllen]

Thanks...a lot has changed in 13 years.

 

[Why_Me]

Thanks...trying to keep it around $2,500.
Likely will update to W10/11.
Always shop with reputable for best price.
Monitor not part of this build.
1-2 TB.
Games more for the kids and quests so I'm not up to date. I'm just the Daddy/Provider.

https://www.newegg.com/black-lian-li-lancool-ii-performance-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-000Z-00086
LIAN LI LANCOOL II MESH C PERFORMANCE $118.99

https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-850-g6-220-g6-0850-x1-850w/p/N82E16817438212
EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G6 80+ GOLD Modular Power Supply $104.99

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144528
MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4 $139.99

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700f-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118359
Intel Core i7-12700F $314.99 + $5 off w/ promo code FDYBTA447

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-AK620-High-Performance-Dual-Tower-Dissipation/dp/B09CSXS3X4
DeepCool AK620 CPU Cooler $64.99

or ...

https://www.amazon.com/Rev-B-Cooler-LGA1700-LGA1151-Towers/dp/B09NZGH4RD/
Scythe Fuma 2 Rev.B CPU Cooler $65.99

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236541
CORSAIR Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 $107.99 + $3 off w/ promo code ESBBT2Z346

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-CS2130-Internal-Solid-State/dp/B0869C35V2
PNY CS2130 2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen3 x4 Internal SSD $179.99

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-RTX-3080-LHR-12G/dp/B09TNLQRSJ/
MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Ventus 3X OC 12GB Graphics Card $899.99

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1697879-REG/microsoft_haj_00108_windows_11_home_usb.html/

Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64-Bit USB $139.00

Total: $2062.92 *including promo codes

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Gaming-VG27AQ-G-SYNC-Monitor/dp/B07WQ4FXY9/
ASUS TUF Gaming 27" 2K HDR (VG27AQ) - QHD (2560 x 1440), IPS, 165Hz, 1ms, Extreme Low Motion Blur, Speaker, G-SYNC Compatible Gaming Monitor $309.00

A better look at those components.

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https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-BAZOOKA-DDR4

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-ak620-review

https://global.deepcool.com/product...-High-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2021/13067.shtml

https://hardwarecanucks.com/forum/t...-review-the-best-cpu-cooler-got-cooler.84709/

https://www.scytheus.com/fuma2-rev-b

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...2700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

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[helper800]

Thanks...a lot has changed in 13 years.

This would be a great place to start and if you are willing to budget some outside of the PC for a monitor consider this one as its great for gaming and CAD;

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700F 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B660 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($194.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($146.24 @ Amazon)
Storage: ADATA XPG GAMMIX S5 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 12GB LHR 12 GB GAMING Z TRIO Video Card ($859.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P6 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($136.63 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro OEM 64-bit ($159.97 @ Amazon)
Monitor: HP X34 34.0" 3440x1440 165 Hz Monitor ($394.99 @ HP)
Total: $2717.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-21 00:08 EDT-0400

 

[Hellfire13]

Thanks...trying to keep it around $2,500.
Likely will update to W10/11.
Always shop with reputable for best price.
Outside the box not part of this build.
1-2 TB.
Games more for the kids and quests so I'm not up to date. I'm just the Daddy/Provider.

This should be good with quality parts...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i7-12700 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor | $342.98 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler | Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler | $64.98 @ Amazon
Motherboard | MSI MAG B660 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard | $189.99 @ Amazon
Memory | TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory | $97.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $114.46 @ Amazon
Video Card | Asus GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB TUF GAMING OC Video Card | $699.00 @ B&H
Case | Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case | $94.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply | Corsair HX Platinum 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $129.99 @ Newegg
Operating System | Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM 64-bit | $99.98 @ Newegg
Monitor | Acer VG271U Pbmiipx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor | $279.98 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $2144.34
| Mail-in rebates | -$30.00
| Total | $2114.34
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-21 00:12 EDT-0400 |

 

[cAllen]

Thanks to all.

Has anyone here owned or used an H670 MB? Looks to have the advantages of Z690 without the want/need for OC and dual GPUs.

 

[Why_Me]

Thanks to all.

Has anyone here owned or used an H670 MB? Looks to have the advantages of Z690 without the want/need for OC and dual GPUs.

The only H670 board I'd consider is the Asus TUF H670 and that goes for $230 atm.

 

[helper800]

The only H670 board I'd consider is the Asus TUF H670 and that goes for $230 atm.

Mind as well get a z690 if its over 200 though.

 

[cAllen]

Thanks. CPU and MB prices are comparable to the top performers then and now...so that's not an issue. However, the GPU prices for today's top performers are 2X to 3X higher comparably.

 

[Hellfire13]

Thanks. CPU and MB prices are comparable to the top performers then and now...so that's not an issue. However, the GPU prices for today's top performers are 2X to 3X higher comparably.

That is because GPUs today are way more stronger, capable and feature rich, than they were back in the day. CPUs have evolved as well, but the leap in GPU tech. has been far more significant in some aspects. Demand has also increased much more and ppl are willing to pay the extra bucks. Then there was Covid 19.

 

[cAllen]

As suggested, taking my time on this build so will update as decisions and questions required. So here's a new question as it relates. Why can't I find many horizontal computer cases other than for mini and media builds? I know about the history/evolution and the need for space, but turning a MB on end and hanging all the hardware sideways off it just does not make any sense at all.

 

[helper800]

As suggested, taking my time on this build so will update as decisions and questions required. So here's a new question as it relates. Why can't I find many horizontal computer cases other than for mini and media builds? I know about the history/evolution and the need for space, but turning a MB on end and hanging all the hardware sideways off it just does not make any sense at all.

The only thing hanging would be the graphics cards because they are the only add-in cards that are commonly used with enough weight to hang. You should not be making your case decisions because of how graphics cards hang anyways. Almost all graphics cards that are heavy come with a backplate, preferably made of aluminum, to prevent sag. There are also numerous graphics card support brackets and supports, a lot of which either come with cases or are built into them.

 

[cAllen]

Point taken, but these are work-arounds. Horizontal cases were considered when I built my 775 largely due to the GPU and CPU tower, but the choices then were less than they are now. It just doesn't make sense to tip everything on it's side other than space utilization I quess, but considering we can make room for printers, multi displays and other add-ons though...I don't know.

Perhaps the market reasoning for and popularity of vertical towers should or will be readdressed in the future.

 

[helper800]

Point taken, but these are work-arounds.

Vertical orientation cases are also thermally superior to horizontal cases. With the size of components today a horizontal PC case would take up 40% of peoples desk space and it would still be 10-14 inches tall. If you really want a horizontal case then get a Lian Li Air mini and get some nice case feet and attach them to the side of the case and lay it horizontally. This would do everything you want it to do without sacrificing too much airflow.

 

[cAllen]

Very nice case...thanks! Still, I would rather avoid just laying a vertical on it's side. In other news, I have pretty much decided on DDR4 for this build as I want all 128gb the 600 Series can provide...and that's not happening with DDR5.

 

[USAFRet]

The usage will be the normal everyday crap, games, connecting with work and some CAD

I have pretty much decided on DDR4 for this build as I want all 128gb the 600 Series can provide

For your stated use, 128GB is way overkill.
Even 1/2 that is overkill.

 

[Why_Me]

Very nice case...thanks! Still, I would rather avoid just laying a vertical on it's side. In other news, I have pretty much decided on DDR4 for this build as I want all 128gb the 600 Series can provide...and that's not happening with DDR5.

Your current build has 8GB of DDR3 so going to 32GB of either DDR4 or DDR5 is going to be a new experience for you.

 

[Hellfire13]

Horizontal cases were considered when I built my 775

Not sure how far back you are referring to, but back in the days of horizontal cases, PCs were supposed to be kept in air conditioning, so that there were no cooling issues. A horizontal case without AC will be more constrained in terms of airflow due to limited vertical cross section, as air flows horizontally. It is one reason beside real estate why vertical cases became more prevalent. Also, AFAIK the earliest HDDs had to be kept horizontally due to some design limitation, lest they would not function properly.

 

[cAllen]

I'll get over the lack of proper horizontal case designs and I'll probably get over wanting 128GB of RAM too...for now. After spending a lot more time reading up though, I am beginning to lean more toward a i9-12900K/KS and a Z690 build.

 

[Why_Me]

I'll get over the lack of proper horizontal case designs and I'll probably get over wanting 128GB of RAM too...for now. After spending a lot more time reading up though, I am beginning to lean more toward a i9-12900K/KS and a Z690 build.

The i9 is an expensive power hungry heat producing hose job. Stick with an i7 if you want the most bang for your buck.

 

[cAllen]

The i9 is an expensive power hungry heat producing hose job. Stick with an i7 if you want the most bang for your buck.

Respects...but was warned about that same thing when choosing my tray X3380 Yorkfield, which I remedied with a large and very effective fanned air cooling tower. I bought that CPU for $500, which by then was half initial selling price...because enthusiasts were jumping ship for the Nehalem and Bloomfield. I can buy the "base" i9-12900 for that same price now....and a Z690 MB for what I paid then for my GA-EP45-UD3R (1.1) MB. Still thinking it over though considering this "might" bump the initial budget I set.

Thank you.

P.S. What's the group think on the best stable Z690 DDR4 and DDR5 boards right now? I might use this box for a looooong time too. In fact, at 63 YO, this might be my last one if I do it right.