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[Lafong]

Thanks...trying to keep it around $2,500.

Games more for the kids and quests

Games are for kids and guests.

Do you need a 700 to 900 dollar video card for that...particularly if you want an i9-12900, a lot of DDR 5 and a Z690 on a 2500 budget?

 

[Why_Me]

Respects...but was warned about that same thing when choosing my tray X3380 Yorkfield, which I remedied with a large and very effective fanned air cooling tower. I bought that CPU for $500, which by then was half initial selling price...because enthusiasts were jumping ship for the Nehalem and Bloomfield. I can buy the "base" i9-12900 for that same price now....and a Z690 MB for what I paid then for my GA-EP45-UD3R (1.1) MB. Still thinking it over though considering this "might" bump the initial budget I set.

Thank you.

P.S. What's the group think on the best stable Z690 DDR4 and DDR5 boards right now? I might use this box for a looooong time too. In fact, a 63 YO, this might be my last one if I do it right.

People purchase Z690 boards to either run two M.2 SSD's and/or to overclock. If you want your OS on a seperate M.2 SSD and your storage on another M.2 SSD then the Z690 and H670 chipsets are the only ones that allow you to do this without gimping the second SSD due to their amount of PCIe lanes. As far as overclocking these days ... it's not worth the gains vs cost imo for what it cost you board, cpu and cooler wise. With that said you can always get a B660 board and pair it up with DDR5 RAM + i7 12700F in order to save money.

Example ...

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144521
MSI MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR5 $169.99

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007611 601396890 600327642 <--- 2x16GB DDR5

 

[Hellfire13]

I'll get over the lack of proper horizontal case designs and I'll probably get over wanting 128GB of RAM too...for now. After spending a lot more time reading up though, I am beginning to lean more toward a i9-12900K/KS and a Z690 build.

Unless your CAD work is intense, you wont need the 12900k for the rest of the workload you have stated in the initial post. You can go with a 12900(non K) instead. It is a 65w chip instead of the 125w power hungry 12900k. Should give you around the same level of performance without extra heat and power. These modern CPUs have pretty potent turbo boost similar to unlocked CPUs, unlike back in the days...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i9-12900 2.4 GHz 16-Core Processor | $508.99 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler | Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler | $64.98 @ Amazon
Motherboard | MSI MAG B660 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard | $189.99 @ Amazon
Memory | TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory | $99.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $114.46 @ Amazon
Video Card | Asus GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB TUF GAMING OC Video Card | $698.00 @ Amazon
Case | Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case | $94.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply | Corsair HX Platinum 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $129.99 @ Newegg
Operating System | Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM 64-bit | $99.98 @ Newegg
Monitor | Acer VG271U Pbmiipx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor | $279.00 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $2310.37
| Mail-in rebates | -$30.00
| Total | $2280.37
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-25 03:16 EDT-0400 |

 

[cAllen]

Thanks, that's important SSD info I missed bouncing the +/- 600's differences. As for the GPU...that's like #4 or #5 down the list...but I'm working it.

...and another build. You folks are awesome.

 

[cAllen]

Thanks all for the heads-up on PCPartPicker.

 

[cAllen]

Today's query. Is there a XEON version of the consumer Alder Lake using the same 1700 socket MB. I only ask because this was the case when I chose a 33X0 over the Q/QX9650 family for my 775. My research either comes up empty or points to the upcoming Sapphire Rapids...which still doesn't look right. Please help me put this one to bed.

Thanks.

 

[helper800]

Today's query. Is there a XEON version of the consumer Alder Lake using the same 1700 socket MB. I only ask because this was the case when I chose a 33X0 over the Q/QX9650 family for my 775. My research either comes up empty or points to the upcoming Sapphire Rapids...which still doesn't look right. Please help me put this one to bed.

Thanks.

No. There are no LGA1700 Xeon chips I am aware of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapphire_Rapids

 

[cAllen]

 

[cAllen]

This question directly relates to Z690 "DDR4" MBs. Running 64GB of 3200 RAM...what real performance difference will I see between 4 sticks of 16GB vs 2 sticks of 32GB at "comparable" latencies?

Thanks.

 

[Hellfire13]

This question directly relates to Z690 "DDR4" MBs. Running 64GB of 3200 RAM...what real performance difference will I see between 4 sticks of 16GB vs 2 sticks of 32GB at "comparable" latencies?

Thanks.

With identical speed and timing there will hardly be any noticeable difference for day to day usage.

 

[cAllen]

Have decided to go "almost" all in with this. Have spent many hours, made a few trips and I'm sure to do more. Also decided to stay with air cooled. AIOs are disposable and not the "best" option for my chosen case. Custom water being better would add another $1,000 plus...if done right...but still requires maintenance I don't want to deal with. Remember my current rig is 13+ years old and has never needed anything more than a few fans and 3 OS formats (I started with XP)...and it still works. I want this new one to do the same considering this may be my last daddy/provider built to do everything main rig.

So now that my qualifiers are handled...I bumped the budget to +/- $5,000 and below is my current plan. PSU and storage are next on the list and I'm not into RGB. So...let the beating begin.

Thank you

System Builder

pcpartpicker.com

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811112603
LIAN LI Lancool III Black Aluminum / SECC / Tempered Glass ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $149.99

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-RM850x-Fully-Modular-Supply/dp/B08R5JPTMZ/
CORSAIR RMx Series (2021) RM850x 850W 80+GOLD Modular Power Supply $139.99

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-Z690-Tomahawk-WiFi/dp/B09PX5WHMB/

MSI MAG Z690 Tomahawk WiFi $259.99

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-12700F-2-1GHz-6xxChipset-BX8071512700F/dp/B09NPJDPVG/
Intel Core i7-12700F $312.96

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-AK620-High-Performance-Dual-Tower-Dissipation/dp/B09CSXS3X4
DeepCool AK620 CPU Cooler $64.99

Corsair Vengeance DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz C36 Intel Optimized Desktop Memory (Onboard Voltage Regulation, Custom XMP 3.0 Profiles, Compact Form-Factor, Solid Aluminum Heatspreader) Black at Amazon.com

Buy Corsair Vengeance DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz C36 Intel Optimized Desktop Memory (Onboard Voltage Regulation, Custom XMP 3.0 Profiles, Compact Form-Factor, Solid Aluminum Heatspreader) Black: Memory - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 6000 32GB (2x16GB) CL36 $279.99

O/S (Windows) SSD

https://www.amazon.com/CS3030-500GB-Internal-Solid-State/dp/B07MW3NQKW/
PNY XLR8 CS3030 500GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen3 x4 Internal SSD $49.99

Storage SSD

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-CS3030-Internal-Solid-State/dp/B07QM2HD7B/
PNY XLR8 CS3030 2TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen3 x4 Internal SSD $168.95

https://www.antonline.com/Evga/Computers/Video_Cards/Graphic_Cards/1429478
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 12GB Graphics Card $949.99

https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-11-USB/dp/B09V6R9QZZ
Microsoft Windows 11 Home - USB Flash Drive $139.00

Total: $2502.84

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-iii/

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-Z690-TOMAHAWK-WIFI

https://global.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/AK620-High-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2021/13067.shtml

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134592/intel-core-i712700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

 

[cAllen]

You are going the wrong way. While this box will be over kill and costs more, that's where I'm going with this now. There may be some "minor" fluctuations with my hardware choices later, but right now I'm working on a 1200-1600 watt PSU and the M.2 storage choices. Thank you though.

 

[Hellfire13]

Have decided to go "almost" all in with this. Have spent many hours, made a few trips and I'm sure to do more. Also decided to stay with air cooled. AIOs are disposable and not the "best" option for my chosen case. Custom water being better would add another $1,000 plus...if done right...but still requires maintenance I don't want to deal with. Remember my current rig is 13+ years old and has never needed anything more than a few fans and 3 OS formats (I started with XP)...and it still works. I want this new one to do the same considering this may be my last daddy/provider built to do everything main rig.

So now that my qualifiers are handled...I bumped the budget to +/- $5,000 and below is my current plan. PSU and storage are next on the list and I'm not into RGB. So...let the beating begin.

Thank you

System Builder

pcpartpicker.com

Did you configure a parts list and want a second look or do you want us to configure one for that budget?
Because the PCPP link is blank, only takes you to the website.

 

[cAllen]

Sorry, still not familiar with how the PCPP site works so here's the hardware partial copy/paste. All parts researched compatible. My PSU calculations figure closer to 1200W, so that's my "minimum" accounting for drives, add-ons and spikes.

Estimated Wattage: 829W
�������������������

Component		Selection	Base	Promo	Shipping	Tax		Price	Where
CPU		Intel Core i9-12900KS 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor	$734.98		FREE		$734.98	Buy
CPU Cooler		Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler	$109.95				$109.95	Buy
Motherboard		Asus ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard	$819.99				$819.99	Buy
Memory		G.Skill Ripjaws S5 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory	$559.99		FREE		$559.99	Buy
		Add Additional Memory
Storage		Choose Storage
Video Card		EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 24 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$1499.00		FREE		$1499.00	Buy
		Add Another Video Card
Case		Fractal Design Torrent ATX Mid Tower Case	$189.99		$16.99		$206.98	Buy
Power Supply		Choose A Power Supply
Operating System		Choose An Operating System
Monitor		Choose A Monitor
Expansion Cards / Networking		Sound Cards, Wired Network Adapters, Wireless Network Adapters
Peripherals		Headphones, Keyboards, Mice, Speakers, Webcams
Accessories / Other		Case Accessories, Case Fans, Fan Controllers, Thermal Compound, External Storage, Optical Drives, UPS Systems
Custom		Add Custom Part
Base Total:	$3913.90
Shipping:	$16.99
Total:	$3930.89

Buy From Amazon
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Potential Issues / Incompatibilities

• A
  Warning: The Asus ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard supports the Intel Core i9-12900KS 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor with BIOS version 1403. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, upgrading the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.
• B
  Note: The Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the Asus ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard.
• C
  Disclaimer: Some physical dimension constraints are currently not checked, such as CPU coolers and RAM clearance.

 

[Colif]

Easier in long run to just copy the link that shows on top of the page on PC Partpicker

sure beats copy/paste

 

[cAllen]

Tried that before, but was told went to blank. I'll figure it out later. Right now I just want to focus on this build.

Thanks.

 

[Colif]

I was just trying to help. Even though you been a member for 14 years, the forums are treating you like a new member so every edit you make to that post needs to be approved. I thought if you just showed the link it would stop that. I guess not. You might need to make an account on pcpartpicker to make it remember.

I shall go away now

 

[cAllen]

No worries. I do have an account and have now saved the list. Again...thank you!

 

[Hellfire13]

Sorry, still not familiar with how the PCPP site works so here's the hardware partial copy/paste. All parts researched compatible. My PSU calculations figure closer to 1200W, so that's my "minimum" accounting for drives, add-ons and spikes.

Estimated Wattage: 829W
�������������������

Component		Selection	Base	Promo	Shipping	Tax		Price	Where
CPU		Intel Core i9-12900KS 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor	$734.98		FREE		$734.98	Buy
CPU Cooler		Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler	$109.95				$109.95	Buy
Motherboard		Asus ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard	$819.99				$819.99	Buy
Memory		G.Skill Ripjaws S5 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory	$559.99		FREE		$559.99	Buy
		Add Additional Memory
Storage		Choose Storage
Video Card		EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 24 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$1499.00		FREE		$1499.00	Buy
		Add Another Video Card
Case		Fractal Design Torrent ATX Mid Tower Case	$189.99		$16.99		$206.98	Buy
Power Supply		Choose A Power Supply
Operating System		Choose An Operating System
Monitor		Choose A Monitor
Expansion Cards / Networking		Sound Cards, Wired Network Adapters, Wireless Network Adapters
Peripherals		Headphones, Keyboards, Mice, Speakers, Webcams
Accessories / Other		Case Accessories, Case Fans, Fan Controllers, Thermal Compound, External Storage, Optical Drives, UPS Systems
Custom		Add Custom Part
Base Total:	$3913.90
Shipping:	$16.99
Total:	$3930.89

Buy From Amazon
* PCPartPicker may receive compensation for purchases made at participating retailers linked on this site. This compensation does not affect what products or prices are displayed, or the order of prices listed. Learn more here.
Potential Issues / Incompatibilities

• A
  Warning: The Asus ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard supports the Intel Core i9-12900KS 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor with BIOS version 1403. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, upgrading the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.
• B
  Note: The Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the Asus ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard.
• C
  Disclaimer: Some physical dimension constraints are currently not checked, such as CPU coolers and RAM clearance.

Tried that before, but was told went to blank. I'll figure it out later. Right now I just want to focus on this build.

Thanks.

Your part choices are fine quality wise. You could have gone with some value alternatives without loosing performance, but since you have decided to go all in, I guess it's fine.

Below are some rough guides for choosing PSU and Storage. Make sure you do your own research above these as they are pretty close to precise but not entirely accurate...

Storage: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1092033-ssd-tier-list/

PSU: https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/?fbclid=IwAR372SEmPBKptINSLqFYoiAFPvXOCABCznCUZaISRCWQiv0SG__SVIG3Cd0





For PCPP, once you have created an account and compiled a part list, just click on the BB code above and copy/paste the part list here/anywhere.

 

[Why_Me]

This is one of those rare moments that I recommend someone wait to build until the official reviews are released and only due to the OP's budget.

Intel Core i5-13600K and Core i7-13700K QS CPUs Benchmarked

Is there anything better than yet another benchmark leak of upcoming products? This time around we don't have to make do with Geekbench or some other useless benchmark, as a bilibili user in the PRC has posted a video where he has put the upcoming Intel Core i5-13600K and Core i7-13700K CPUs...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[cAllen]

@Why_Me As to the CPU, there is always going to be the next, latest and greatest. Speculation aside, the i9-12900KS is the top dog now with vetted strengths and weaknesses being know values. So that's why/where I drew my line in the sand. It's still more than I will likely ever need, but there it is. Thank you very much for the heads up though.

@Hellfire13 Good reference material which helps validate my current leanings toward the Corsair AX1600i. I'm not concerned with future ATX 3.0.

Now here's a question regarding the m.2s and other current SSDs. Defrag and rewriting on HDD has never been a problem, but 13 years ago it was with SSD. Don't know the term, but have heard that now you can wipe and reuse a lot. What is the verbiage and ratings for this now and who does it better?

Thanks.

 

[cAllen]

So this is where things stand now for the wish list. Make me look stupid now "before" I commit. Still considering the Hero MB...not the purple/green one.

Thanks.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pwMpQ6

 

[USAFRet]

So this is where things stand now for the wish list. Make me look stupid now "before" I commit.

Thanks.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pwMpQ6

$5200?

4TB Firecuda $600 - What will this drive be used for?
3090 ti?

 

[cAllen]

Well it's good to know I finally learned how to link PCPP.

Yes...This is going to cost me.

Drive sizes of 1T and 4T are just preliminary choices and may change, but what's your take on the 530's?

While the RTX 3090 Ti does not pass "any" cost/value reality checks...it's still the best consumer card right now.