New system, how far can I overclock?

[apezz]

I am building a new system soon, using some components from current PC (HDD, disk drives, GFX).

The system looks something like this currently (my budget is limited).

I am hoping to squeeze extra performance out of the 4800 by overclocking. I am new to overclocking, but I hope it wont be too hard to achieve. Hopefully I have adequate cooling as well!

What sort of speeds do you think I will be achieving? Anything over 2.8Ghz will make me happy - as long as it is stable.

Would also appreciate if someone could explain 'how' to overclock it, or link me to a guide that shows how. Planning to order the components next friday, and I can still make modifications to the system, as long as it is within a similar budget

Thanks!

 

[iluvgillgill]

so how much are you allow to spend?AMD system is not worth considering if you are looking at gaming.(sorry AMD fans but thats the truth,of course its cheaper no doubt).at the moment Intel+Nvidia give better performance.

and what graphics card do you have now?

 

[Mondoman]

Not sure about UK prices, but in the US you'd save money (and boost performance) by going with an e2180 OC'd to 3GHz with the stock CPU cooler, and one of the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3x MBs.

 

[Lupiron]

I agree fully with Both posters.

--Lupi

 

[Night-Stalker]

i also agree with both posters and plus, you can use ASUS P5K to oc e2160 or e2180 to 3.0 GHZ + easily with stock cooler. Thats what i am using right now. Performs better then an e6750.

 

[terror112]

lies.

 

[terror112]

I agree with all posters, but I do not think the 2180 performs better than the e6750 because you would have to live with high temps as well as large voltage increases, although I must say that it is a great choice for his budget. I'm currently running mine @3.2 stable stock volts with 47C max prime95 6h, and I know I can go further. Gl with ur build.
"sry if there are any spelling mistakes( writing this on my iPod. ) "

 

[apezz]

My budget is around £230 give or take £10. I am after a new CPU, RAM and mobo, but I also need a new case and PSU due to overclocking. I am more tempted to go for an Intel chip, but I'm not sure if my budget will allow it.

Further suggestions/builds welcomed, I'm just looking for a small upgrade that will extend my PCs lifetime a bit.

 

[royalcrown]

so how much are you allow to spend?AMD system is not worth considering if you are looking at gaming.(sorry AMD fans but thats the truth,of course its cheaper no doubt).at the moment Intel+Nvidia give better performance.

and what graphics card do you have now?

I can play crisis just fine at very high thank you ! Sure Intel is better,but for 88 bucks, do you know what they had that was comparable here ? Jack S*** is what, and don't give me that e2199 crap or xeleron, because they DO suck...6300 and up is fine, but those 2100's and 4000's are a joke and crap, plus they cost MORE at the time.

 

[royalcrown]

I should clarify, they suck if you DON'T want to OC.

 

[Evilonigiri]

They still beat AMD clock for clock and efficiency and heat and...

AMD is only good right now for people who don't OC and needs a mid to lower range cpu.

 

[Mondoman]

rc, I think pretty much everyone here talking about e2xxx's is assuming you will overclock them to 3GHz or higher, without major voltage increases or temps.

 

[iggybeans]

AMD processors don't overclock? That's news to me as I've got my X2 5000+ BE running at 3.1 GHz (and years ago I used to run 450 MHz K6-2+ and K6-III+ processors at 550 to 600 MHz).
I have NO problem running current games (and neither do my friends with X3 or X4 Phenoms).
So, are Intel processors the only path to gaming? Of course not and their low-end processors DON'T outperform AMD processors. In fact, any Intel processor that does outperform an AMD processor costs more.
Good Luck with the 4800+. I wouldn't be surprised if 2.8 GHz was reachable (considering the results I've gotten with my own processor).

 

[Mondoman]

ig - since the current AMD designs aren't as powerful as the Intel designs, AMD sells their CPUs with default clocks closer to their ultimate OC limit in order to lessen the performance gap at stock speeds. Thus, the Intel CPUs tend to support a bigger percentage OC.
For example, it seems that the AMD quad-cores will support little to no OCing, while many have had good success OCing the Intel quad-cores.
BTW, the 5000+ BE *does* seem to be a bright spot in the current AMD lineup.

 

[iluvgillgill]

I can play crisis just fine at very high thank you ! Sure Intel is better,but for 88 bucks, do you know what they had that was comparable here ? Jack S*** is what, and don't give me that e2199 crap or xeleron, because they DO suck...6300 and up is fine, but those 2100's and 4000's are a joke and crap, plus they cost MORE at the time.

i cant find any result AMD being better then intel.and you can play on very high what resolution is that and what graphics card are you using?i bet its not an AMD card.if yes it will be like 1024x.modern games doesnt depend on CPU no more.CPU power only takes into account about 10-20% of the framerates.clock for clock Intel still beats AMD hard!!!help yourself to some benchmark!!!the top latest fastest 65nm quad core is comparing to the old 65nm quad core of competitor intel?what a laugh!!!
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/682/8/
and WOW the higher clock AMD is not as powerful as the slower clock e2160/e2140.oh SAD!!!
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-e2160_8.html

and i can see that you knowledge about Intel is bare minimum and as everyone with slightly more knowledge or brain know that all Intel Core 2 chip is the same but just some minor L2 cache, multiplier, FSB and quality differents.the actual core is the same.im so surprise you dont know that.

and can you tell me if you overclock or not?overclock is what everyone should do to get the best out of their system and the money they spend.only people being fooled by the manufacture will do what they've been told.

and i believe you have read the poster properly,he said he wanted to OVERCLOCK!!!open your eyes and read again!but if you cant read i dont blame you.

one last question!are you a AMD fan boy?

 

[iluvgillgill]

My budget is around £230 give or take £10. I am after a new CPU, RAM and mobo, but I also need a new case and PSU due to overclocking. I am more tempted to go for an Intel chip, but I'm not sure if my budget will allow it.

Further suggestions/builds welcomed, I'm just looking for a small upgrade that will extend my PCs lifetime a bit.

here is what i recommend:

and the case.well see what you can spend.if you need advice on case gimme a shout.

 

[B-Unit]

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modern games doesnt depend on CPU no more.CPU power only takes into account about 10-20% of the framerates...

Here we go folks, sit back and watch the troll hang himself...

clock for clock Intel still beats AMD hard!!!help yourself to some benchmark!!!the top latest fastest 65nm quad core is comparing to the old 65nm quad core of competitor intel?what a laugh!!!
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/682/8/
and WOW the higher clock AMD is not as powerful as the slower clock e2160/e2140.oh SAD!!!
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-e2160_8.html...

Wow, one period later you turn around and say the opposite of what you originally said. And did you bother to look at the links you put up? The first one is about Phenom, and hes not buying a Phenom, so who cares. The second one has an Athlon with only 256K L2 per core clocked at 2.0Ghz keeping up with the E2140. 10 points in 3dMark is not what I would call 'SAD!!!'Not good for your argument.

...one last question!are you a AMD fan boy?

I think that seals the deal. Please dont feed the troll.

On a serious note, crank that 4800+ to 2.8-3.0 range and you will be fine for gaming, just dont try to fool yourself into thinking you have a high end rig.

 

[iluvgillgill]

well i think B-Unit you followed me all the way from CPu section.well i will look forward and see who supports you if any.maybe you dont understand what it means by clock for clock.the phenon is higher clock then the Q6600 and still it under perform it.it looks like you didnt understand my saying and the benchmark.

OP this guy talking here is coming out with plain trash and with no evidence to support it.so i think you know what i mean.

 

[B-Unit]

Well, I guess that depends on your definition of trash. What I can tell you is that I have an AMD chip running at 2.9Ghz paired with an 8800GT and I have no problems playing any games I want to. And as it seems that is what the OP wants to do, so if he can get the AMD parts at a competitive price, he will be fine for gaming.

Again, I dont see anyone here telling him to get a Phenom...

 

[Mondoman]

Enough flaming, b and i.

 

[iluvgillgill]

lol he started it first.i was only recommending an Intel system and he is like throw away that intel e21xx rubbish.

 

[DeafB4Dishonor]

i cant find any result AMD being better then intel.and you can play on very high what resolution is that and what graphics card are you using?i bet its not an AMD card.if yes it will be like 1024x.modern games doesnt depend on CPU no more.CPU power only takes into account about 10-20% of the framerates.clock for clock Intel still beats AMD hard!!!help yourself to some benchmark!!!the top latest fastest 65nm quad core is comparing to the old 65nm quad core of competitor intel?what a laugh!!!
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/682/8/
and WOW the higher clock AMD is not as powerful as the slower clock e2160/e2140.oh SAD!!!
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-e2160_8.html

and i can see that you knowledge about Intel is bare minimum and as everyone with slightly more knowledge or brain know that all Intel Core 2 chip is the same but just some minor L2 cache, multiplier, FSB and quality differents.the actual core is the same.im so surprise you dont know that.

and can you tell me if you overclock or not?overclock is what everyone should do to get the best out of their system and the money they spend.only people being fooled by the manufacture will do what they've been told.

and i believe you have read the poster properly,he said he wanted to OVERCLOCK!!!open your eyes and read again!but if you cant read i dont blame you.

one last question!are you a AMD fan boy?

You seem like an Intel fanboy with your rant, no offense. Its obvious Core2 beats Athlon clock for clock, but if youre not going to OC the 4600 maybe would be comparable with the E2 series price wise, not the 3800, unless youre running 2x 8800GTS or above a Athlon at 3 ghz will be fine, but the Intel build posted would be a lot better for the OP imo

 

[iluvgillgill]

pointing out the good and bad doesnt mean im a fanboy i think you need to get that idea clear.and even you agree with me the Core2 is a better product.so what else is there to argue.OP i think you got ehat you need.

and to you even if im a fan boy,the comment i give will be another opinion to the person who needed.and if it makes sense thats all it matters.

 

[B-Unit]

pointing out the good and bad doesnt mean im a fanboy i think you need to get that idea clear.and even you agree with me the Core2 is a better product.so what else is there to argue.OP i think you got ehat you need.

and to you even if im a fan boy,the comment i give will be another opinion to the person who needed.and if it makes sense thats all it matters.

Pointing out the good and bad would be a rational approach. Instead you walk in and start blasting anything AMD as crap and saying that only an Intel system can game. Thats flaming fanboism (excuse the pun)

 

[Evilonigiri]

Let's end the "debate" by saying CPU power needed for gaming is dependent on the types of game. Games like Supcom is much smoother on a Quadcore than a dual. In fact, an AMD Phenom X4 out performs most Intel C2Ds in that particular game. Knowing that you can get a Phenom X4 for less than a Q6600, it may be a good budget CPU.

AMD is only a terrible buy when OCing is considered. As we all know, the Phenoms OC like crap. Intel offers so much more bang for the buck (with OC) that all of AMD's offering pales in comparison. Here, in the OCing community, we currently suggest an Intel setup because of this.

When OCing is not considered, AMD is very competitive. Since 95% of all PC users do not OC, AMD makes an excellent budget build. To top it off, a good AMD motherboard is cheaper than a equivalent Intel motherboard most of the time, making AMD perhaps the top choice for a non-OCing, budget build.