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How tenable would a England / Russia / Turkey alliance be for a PBEM
game? There seems to be a fair amount written on other triples, but I
can't seem to find out anything about the pros and cons of this one.

Thanks.
 
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In article <dgeta0peedhv5fhf48t64q0ms7hgn4djql@4ax.com>,
<rmacy@oregon.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>How tenable would a England / Russia / Turkey alliance be for a PBEM
>game? There seems to be a fair amount written on other triples, but I
>can't seem to find out anything about the pros and cons of this one.

It sounds like a great deal for Russia and Turkey. The Russia/Turkey
alliance is already very strong, and if England works with them the
early death of Germany is assured. Russia won't get as much of
Scandinavia as usual, but killing Germany should compensate. With
allies on both sides of the major stalemate line the alliance will
be very hard to stop. Its weakest point is the Med, but English
pressure from behind should get you in there eventually.

Turkey will need to be careful, as always, that Russia doesn't
outgrow him; but English help against France will go a long way
to assure that.

I'd be much more cautious as England. I suppose the eventual goal
is a three-way where England holds the west, Turkey the south and
Russia the north and center. This would require England to do quite
well against France and Germany, I think, or he'll eventually find
himself unable to keep out his previous allies. The last game
I saw with roughly this alliance structure ended up a five-way
as England had to prop up the remains of the Western powers to keep
from losing to R/T. England had the fewest winning chances of the
three and might have lost had FG not been willing to play ball with
their previous enemy.

I'd jump on it as R or T, but as E only if the player dynamic
didn't give me a better choice. It looks like a hard alliance for
E to back out of gracefully and the endgame prospects seem to
favor RT.

Mary Kuhner mkkuhner@eskimo.com
 
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ERT seems a reasonable alliance, but I might consider it more of an RT
alliance while R and E have an agreement to leaving each other alone in
Scandinavia. As England, that can be a good thing, as you have your choice
as to F or G as your initial ally in the west... let's say you work with G.
Once F is down, you have the choice to stick with R and take out G, stick
with G and take out R, or let R and G fight among themselves while you go
south. Lots of good options.


<rmacy@oregon.uoregon.edu> wrote in message
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> How tenable would a England / Russia / Turkey alliance be for a PBEM
> game? There seems to be a fair amount written on other triples, but I
> can't seem to find out anything about the pros and cons of this one.
>
> Thanks.
>
 
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rmacy@oregon.uoregon.edu writes:

>How tenable would a England / Russia / Turkey alliance be for a PBEM
>game? There seems to be a fair amount written on other triples, but I
>can't seem to find out anything about the pros and cons of this one.

>Thanks.

It's not a bad triple, but it's almost guaranteed to be a three
way draw at best. It will be very hard, after playing this
alliance for awhile, for one of the three to make a break for a win.

That's the main con, otherwise, it could be pretty successful,
as long as FG didn't figure it out really quickly and attack
England and bounce Russia out of Sweden in '01.

WOuldn't be my favorite hookup....

Jim-Bob
 
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rmacy@oregon.uoregon.edu writes:

> How tenable would a England / Russia / Turkey alliance be for a PBEM
> game? There seems to be a fair amount written on other triples, but
> I can't seem to find out anything about the pros and cons of this one.

I be hesitant to play it as England or Russia. Russia could easily get
sandwiched in a Wicked-Witch 2-way, while England could find himself
steamrolled by the Juggernaut.

Eric.
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I agree with Eric - the R/E peace would be difficult to keep; those
Scandinavian centers including STP would be so tempting, from either
direction. . .

Meanwhile the Turk can take advantage of the R/E alliance in the North
to crush AI, while France is likely engaged to his north. Russia will
have to worry constantly about being the center power in the three-way
alliance, particularly if England garrisons the North at all.

Still, I am sure it comes up informally reasonably often - why not? -
and should be playable if the circumstances (meaning, your six
opponents) seem to call for it.

Ben