Next gen Xbox vs 3770k?

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So,

I have a 3770k system for work and play. 16gb ram, ssd, gtx 670, etc. My brother in law is an Xbox dude i'm trying to convert to PC gaming.

The xbox 720 rumors indicate an 8 core amd cpu... for the sake of argument, if it is true, what is the functional difference between my 4 core + 4 virtual core 3770k and an 8 core console processor? I'm only half nerd and don't get the whole virtual thing and don't want to hear *** about it at every holiday if his gaming experience doesn't kick ass better than his xbox buddies...

Diggit,
Thanks...
 
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wouldnt expect much from consoles compared to current gen pc parts, the ps3 has a 7 core and it came out in 2006, and the xbox 360 has a 5 core, but they come no where near a pc.

Consoles are always usually 2 generations behind, and rumors of amd 8 cores, are for both consoles and i know for sure that the ps3 rumors come from the dev kits given out, which were 8 cores and amd 7xxx series gpu or southern islands which will not end up in the console itself
 
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Thanks,

I get that point, even the steambox specs looks like crap (whatever...). A 2006/7 ps3/xbox comparison is a bit irrelevant to today's contextual inquiry...

However even if for the sake of marketing they ship a unit with "8 cores", what does it functionally mean? Really, I just don't know how a virtual core works and how to discuss it with this individual that will make sense...

The other point is that if developers start optimizing games for "8" cores and then porting them, should I tell him to wait to see the specs and then wait for the comparative intel processor release?

I understand that the PC will crush everything, but I would like to have solid reasoning when I tell him to give up his familiarity/streamlined peripherals/convince his friends...
 
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next xbox cpu vs the i7 3770k. not even a close match. it's like bringing only your fist (xbox 720 or whatever) to fight a goddamn aircraft carrier (3770k)!
nah that's a bit exaggerated. but trust me, it won't even be close. the only thing going for the xbox 720 will be game optimization.
 
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The trend seems to be that consoles are more powerful than gaming computers when they first come out, and then are eventually overtaken since they can't be upgraded. The Xbox 360 has a 3 core (or at least the release ones did) CPU which was quite beefy back in the day. If I remember right, the Pentium D series was either not out yet, or had just been released, which was intel's first dual core CPU (which was also in my very first computer 😛)

I think that the next gen Xbox will have more power under it's hood than current gaming PCs, although that shouldn't last more than a year or so.

I've had an xbox 360 since 2006, and I actually enjoy gaming on it a bit more to be honest. It's just a more "gaming oriented experience", if that makes any sense. The only reason you get an Xbox is to play games, and the entire system is built with that in mind. I have a passion for computer building, and anything IT related, but when it comes to games nothing really beats grabbing a coke and firing up the old 360 at a friend's house. PC gaming is more for sitting in your room all alone with the lights off and playing Skyrim until dawn.
 
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one of the reason why consoles do not slow down much (unlike a pc wherein you will really spend if you want a powerful rig) is because there is only one configuration of hardware, unlike pc wherein you have soo many.
but hardware per hardware, pc wins hands down.
and yes, consoles are 2 gens behind, usually.

personally, i just prefer pc, dont get me wrong we have ps3 and xbox360 on our house.
 
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Your laptop or your smartphone is as much as a "cia spy device" than the new xbox. And, they are just rumors..
 
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You should also research and delve into what those "8 cores" would mean. take the 3770 and a PS3 cell processor for example. While the i7 has 4 cores, the PS3 cell has 9.

but.... the i7 has 4 full cores, independent and equal in every sense and strength. the cell however has one power pc (traditional RISC, Load/store cpu, termed PPE) and six SPE (synergistic processing units) and two more SPE units that are engaged under specific load conditions.

The PPE handles the OS and also delegates tasks to SPE's (physics computation, texture mapping, characters etc). The fact remains that SPE's are not strong independent, fully functional (meaning capable as a standard desk top cpu) cores rather specialized ones and overall a cell processor is not as strong as a native 4 core HT muscle processor like the 3770. If you can locate it, I remember reading an IEEE spectrum article (way back in 2005-06 i'd guess, do correlate with PS3 launch) on PS3 and game developers "Insomniacs". It's a great read and tells all the fun things about that cell processor design.

In my opinion, the console processors should rather be compared with APU's for a better analysis as they both pack the same purpose on a single die.

or...It would be interesting to maybe have a face off between a single core active cpu with IGP enabled and a console cpu.

Like a Haswell mobile cpu (3 cores disabled) with GT3 and Xbox 720
 
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The rumors are than the next Xbox will feature an 8 Core AMD processor and that its cores will not share recources.
This effectively means that they are going to put a processor similar to a Phenom, but more multithreaded and a lot better overall, but clocked a lot lower to save power.
This basicly means that even in the best case scenario, the 3770K will be faster, but since games can't really make use of so much power, there will be no real world difference.
 
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Are we?

This was the last line:

"....and don't want to hear *** about it at every holiday if his gaming experience doesn't kick ass better than his xbox buddies... "


But yes, I am a smartass.....

 
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You can't compare cores on consoles, they are optimized and run a lean OS. A whole new XBox or 360 update containing a new dash (OS, new drive firmware, everything) is usually only 150-300mb. What's a Windows 7 or 8 install take? 10-20GB? PCs are generic mutli-use system, consoles are optimized that don't have to take into account 1000 different video cards, memory configs, etc. Small colleges have made PS3 render farm and processing farms, because they are cheap and you can get much more raw processing with them than PC's.
 
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