Nezumi Graverobber/Shortfang

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Nezumi Graverobber
{1}{B}: Remove target card in an opponent's graveyard from the game.
If no cards are in that graveyard, flip Nezumi Graverobber.

Nezumi Shortfang
{1}{B}, {T}: Target opponent discards a card.
Then if that player has no cards in hand, flip Nezumi Shortfang.

I understand that Nezumi Graverobber and Nezumi Shortfang have quite
different targets ('target card' and 'target opponent') which make
a difference:

- Nezumi Graverobber's target card must exist in the graveyard.
- Nezumi Shortfang's target opponent might have an empty hand.

This was already discussed somehow in this group. But what I do not
understand is why Nezumi Shortfang's flip condition is formulated as
"Then if ..." while Nezumi Graverobber's flip condition uses "If ..."
only. Does that make a difference, too?

Thanks in advance for your help! Th.

 

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Thomas D'Tak <outpost@rumblefish.org> writes:
> Nezumi Graverobber
> {1}{B}: Remove target card in an opponent's graveyard from the game.
> If no cards are in that graveyard, flip Nezumi Graverobber.
>
> Nezumi Shortfang
> {1}{B}, {T}: Target opponent discards a card. Then if that player
> has no cards in hand, flip Nezumi Shortfang.
>
> I understand that Nezumi Graverobber and Nezumi Shortfang have quite
> different targets ('target card' and 'target opponent') which make
> a difference:
>
> - Nezumi Graverobber's target card must exist in the graveyard.
> - Nezumi Shortfang's target opponent might have an empty hand.

That's correct.

> This was already discussed somehow in this group. But what I do not
> understand is why Nezumi Shortfang's flip condition is formulated as
> "Then if ..." while Nezumi Graverobber's flip condition uses "If ..."
> only. Does that make a difference, too?

It doesn't make a difference. You follow the instructions in the order
given. Perhaps the Graverobber should have had the "then" in there to
make it clearer (as there sure seem to be a lot of questions about
it), but I suspect that they were just trying to save space in those
tiny text boxes.

--
Peter C.
"Isn't that the same thing?"
"Yes, but it's a longer word."
-- Jessi & I

 

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Thomas D'Tak <outpost@rumblefish.org> wrote:
>Nezumi Graverobber
> {1}{B}: Remove target card in an opponent's graveyard from the game.
> If no cards are in that graveyard, flip Nezumi Graverobber.
>
>Nezumi Shortfang
> {1}{B}, {T}: Target opponent discards a card.
> Then if that player has no cards in hand, flip Nezumi Shortfang.
>
>I understand that Nezumi Graverobber and Nezumi Shortfang have quite
>different targets ('target card' and 'target opponent') which make
>a difference:

Right.

> - Nezumi Graverobber's target card must exist in the graveyard.
> - Nezumi Shortfang's target opponent might have an empty hand.

Right. The target must exist, but NGraverobber doesn't target the -opponent-,
just one of their cards.

>This was already discussed somehow in this group. But what I do not
>understand is why Nezumi Shortfang's flip condition is formulated as
>"Then if ..." while Nezumi Graverobber's flip condition uses "If ..."
>only. Does that make a difference, too?

No, actually; since both have them in separate sentences, and since neither
one has any particular Important Reason for the second sentence to be
processed before you're done with the first, for both of them you do the
first sentence, then the second, on resolution. Probably someone thought
one of them would be easier to follow with a 'then' in it and didn't see that
the other was about the same structure...

Dave
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