Nine Big Air Coolers For Intel's Haswell CPUs, Reviewed

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CaptainTom

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I hate to say it but all this article demonstrated to me is that Haswell is in no way better than Ivy Bridge. Even Ivy Bridge used 25% less energy with a 10% boost when compared to Sandy Bridge, and I can still get IB to 4.8 GHz on air.

Haswell= 10% more power for 10% more energy and 10% less headroom. Oh and it costs more...

Man I hope AMD can whip them back into shape with Steam Roller...
 

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It's funny how some of you guys still think Intel made Haswell with desktops in mind. This is a CPU architecture made for mobile. It's quite sufficient for desktops in every regard. Yes, it might not outperform IB by much, and it might run a bit hotter, but in a laptop, there is nothing that compares to Haswell.
 

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Noctua picked the NH-U14S instead of the D14. Please feel free to ask them why.

Since Noctua chose not to feature the NH-D14 this time, you might want to look at its closest competitor. The article links a comparison of Phanteks TCP14E and NH-D14. Since Phanteks chose to keep its big cooler in the running but Noctua chose otherwise, this was the closest "frame of reference" available.

I can't even fathom why you would repeat the first post without regard to any response. And speaking of a response, please read above.
 

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The comments are correct concerning the omission of the NH-D14 from this testing. It really doesn't matter a damn what "Noctua picked," that is not the issue. The FACT is the D14 is legendary for its cooling and to leave it out of any major test is just plain stupid. Don't forget that it won your last competition for best cooler.

To say compare it's performance with the Plantek's performance is lame. Use some common sense when you do these reviews.
 

Crashman

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Since I've never heard from anyone at Be Quiet, I've sent a message. Thanks for the reminder!

Cooler Master chose not to participate this time.

Troll much? The FACT is that Noctua said use this. That's the end of the Noctua story, anything you'd like to add after that is counter-factual.

You'd be placing the blame wrongly, if there were any blame to place. Now if you want some clue as to how it should perform, read the noc-vs-phan review. It's linked. Good luck.

 

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Since I've never heard from anyone at Be Quiet, I've sent a message. Thanks for the reminder!

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Hope it works out. Really interested to see those models. I am quite certain they will make a bit of a difference in your performance charts. Good luck.
 

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What about to improve the thermal performance of Haswell by removing Integrated Heat Spreader Removal and Replacing IHS Thermal Paste. You can get 10 or more degree C less temperature.
 

ingtar33

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the true disapointment with haswell is the lack of significant improvement with delidding. While, like IB you can see a solid 10C drop in temps, haswell has a far more agressive heat profile then IB. With minimal bumps in voltage resulting in massive jumps in heat, meaning even with a delidding you could see very little improvement in your overclock, as the chip will still rapidly produce massive ammounts of heat, very fast.

While i understand Intel has their own formula for determaning TDP for their chips, i've said it before, by moving the VRM onto the chip, they invalidated their calculation. The Haswell performs and benches like a much hotter chip then it's advertised TDP. The first warning to benchers this was the case, was when benchers were getting thermal throttling from turbo mode on the stock intel heatsink, and then those same benchers hitting the thermal ceiling with a very small voltage bump and moderate overclock (4.2) with a solid air cooler the hyper evo. People can overclock 125W amd chips pretty aggressively with a lot of vcore on a hyper evo... meanwhile they were thermal throttling with a very modest bump in vcore on a tiny overclock.

This raises a question about the formula intel used to calculate the TDP of their haswell chip, as cpu coolers rated for far higher tdps were struggling with haswell. This article is a bit of an eye opener, as most of those cpu coolers are not jokes. The noctua isn't all that different from the old cpu cooler i used to use to keep my PhII x4 965be cooled. It managed to keep a PhII at a 3.7ghz overclock in a 35C room under 55C while running prime. So that's no joke of a cpu cooler. That it struggles so badly with haswell says something significant to me.

Simply put, you need a water system with a serious rad/fan combo to make a serious stab at a haswell overclock. Air isn't enough anymore.



yes... it will give you 10+C better temps. the problem is haswell basically heats up exponentially with more voltage. So this rarely gives you a lot more overclock headroom then you had pre-delidding. Ignoring those NO2 guys or the ones using some peltier or other exotic cooling solution, Haswell doesn't really benefit as much as IB does with delidding. another 0.1ghz or 0.2... at best. and that might be a bit optimistic. The real trick with haswell is getting the right batch... apparently some of the chips from certain asian foundries are atrocious overclockers with almost crippling heat problems...
 
No idea WHY in heavens name Thermalright is trying to promote the Archon, its expensive and HUGE without bringing much to the table. There are many better options.
Anyway, when do we get an article on aftermarket big air GPU cooling? I know its not an easy one due to compatibilty and warranties(EVGA cards should be a good bet too sidestep this issue), but hell I can not remember when Toms did one last.
 

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Speaking from a purely acoustic standpoint, the Phanteks and Thermalright models would seem to be good candidates to reduce fan speeds for quieter operation since they seem to have some thermal room, relative to the other coolers.
 

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Well, because we dont live in a perfect world, neither us readers nor tech media sites such as Tom's can always give what we want.

They did with what they got. If a manufacture want to send a different product than what's being requested, then what can a tech site such as Tom's do about it?

Everyone has this issue where they cant get everything they want to compare stuff. Anandtech, LinusTechTips, HardOcp, ect. Heck, for Linus, everyone ask why there isn't a GTX 690 in his reviews against other gpu's such as the GTX 780 and Titan.....


Just be happy that Noctua sent anything at all. For all we know, Noctua could of said, "Nope, we're not sending anything in for this review" or something along those lines.
 


Any reason you can't test both, the one Noctua said test and the NH-D14? Crash, even toms has pined the NH-D14 as a flagship air cooler so it does make since to toss it in the review. I'm sure you recall oh around 10 years ago when any review site would have to include a TRUE (Thermalright) in there reviews for this reason or there results would largely get ignored. Why? Its the baseline measure we can use to compare results to other reviews.
 
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